|
Post by ukcstokie on Apr 16, 2015 8:35:19 GMT
I agree, very poor indeed, Tredwell bowled beautifully for his 4-47. Rashid should get his chance, we know Ali can do it, so let's see what one of our back ups can do. It is a strange situation England have created - and the success of both Tredwell and Stokes in the first innings complicates things. Stokes did very well in the #6 all rounder spot particularly with the bag but was also the quickest of our fast bowlers. Certainly don't enough to keep the number six position that was Ali's last season. And Treadwell did everything you'd want a slow bowler to do in a first innings - wickets and control. So what to do? Maybe go with three quicks and two offies? In which case I guess Jordan is the unlucky one? But Ali at #8 seems too low. What about opening with him? And dumping Trott - that seems harsh after one test, and, for some reason it seems harsher than doing the same thing to Jordan. Changing bowlers seems easier to do than switching batsmen! It's a mess of their own making isn't it? Why not just leave Ali at home, and bring him back for against the Kiwis? If they were thinking of playing two spinners then they should have tried Rashid - a leggie and an off-break bowler working together would have been interesting. Also Rashid is a decent bat too.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 8:40:14 GMT
Very frustratingly , I've missed the whole of the first three days ( unheard of for me to do that ! ) .... We don't seem to have dominated proceedings , but are in a position of some strength .....looking forward to watching some good Test Cricket tomorrow . Good to have you back Bish It's been quite an old fashioned test match to be honest, lots of really good contests between bat and ball on a fairly even pitch which suits both. If you can get past the new ball, it really flattens out as Bell and Root showed first innings as did Chanderpaul and Blackwood in the second. Blackwood will probably never work harder for a century than he did today. We've dropped a few sharp ones in the field which if taken would probably add another 70 runs to the lead. Still no improvements in the Cook department mate Thanks mate .... . I've seen the three wickets to fall , Poor shot from Cook , he should never be playing at those type of deliveries , he seems to have no idea at all where his off stump is .....very basic stuff. Trott is falling over so much towards off stump that he's opening himself up completely, his front foot is going nowhere while his back foot is all over the place ( of course I've only seen a couple of balls bowled ) ....he has a lot of work to do as does Cook .....hope springs eternal .
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 16, 2015 12:07:38 GMT
I think as well we've got to consider that they've completely shoehorned Trott into the side, he's never before in Tests so they plonk him straight back in, in an unnatural position after a few token games with the Lions whilst Adam Lyth who average 67 for Yorkshire last season is ignored.
Shout out to Yorkshire, who won their opening County Championship game by ten wickets despite having 8 first team members in the England squad!
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Apr 16, 2015 15:29:54 GMT
I think as well we've got to consider that they've completely shoehorned Trott into the side, he's never before in Tests so they plonk him straight back in, in an unnatural position after a few token games with the Lions whilst Adam Lyth who average 67 for Yorkshire last season is ignored. Shout out to Yorkshire, who won their opening County Championship game by ten wickets despite having 8 first team members in the England squad! Conservative selection and tactics is a huge issue for us. There seems to be two permanent selection questions as far as England are concerned; What do I need to do to get selected? and What do I need to do to get dropped? You get the idea - it's hard to get selected, but once you're in you are in. Anyway - just seen that Root is out, but Balance still going strong. Really hope he gets a century. And we get some Butler fireworks later as we press for a declaration.
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 16, 2015 15:45:13 GMT
I think as well we've got to consider that they've completely shoehorned Trott into the side, he's never before in Tests so they plonk him straight back in, in an unnatural position after a few token games with the Lions whilst Adam Lyth who average 67 for Yorkshire last season is ignored. Shout out to Yorkshire, who won their opening County Championship game by ten wickets despite having 8 first team members in the England squad! Conservative selection and tactics is a huge issue for us. There seems to be two permanent selection questions as far as England are concerned; What do I need to do to get selected? and What do I need to do to get dropped? You get the idea - it's hard to get selected, but once you're in you are in. Anyway - just seen that Root is out, but Balance still going strong. Really hope he gets a century. And we get some Butler fireworks later as we press for a declaration. The thought of Buttler and Stokes batting together is certainly very exciting, Stokes opened his account with two reverse sweeps!
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 16, 2015 16:02:04 GMT
Great session for England, lead of 328 at lunch with Ballance 92* and Stokes well set.
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 16, 2015 16:45:15 GMT
Stokes
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Apr 16, 2015 16:53:08 GMT
Conservative selection and tactics is a huge issue for us. There seems to be two permanent selection questions as far as England are concerned; What do I need to do to get selected? and What do I need to do to get dropped? You get the idea - it's hard to get selected, but once you're in you are in. Anyway - just seen that Root is out, but Balance still going strong. Really hope he gets a century. And we get some Butler fireworks later as we press for a declaration. The thought of Buttler and Stokes batting together is certainly very exciting, Stokes opened his account with two reverse sweeps! Let's not wish out Balance just yet though! Plenty of positives so far in this test for England - Stokes, Root, Bell and now Balance. The bowling looked tidy with Tredwell doing particularly well. The worries are the same old ones; conservative management as seen in the selection of Trott ahead of Lythe and Alistair Cook whose captaincy is as uninspiring as ever but whose batting seems in terminal decline. Just heard Freddie Flintoff saying folk should get off his back. What nonsense - media comments and social media chat has nothing to do with Cook's sustained appalling form. It ain't them whose figured out Cook seems unable to cope with a succession of full balls outside his off stump. That's the opposition. And if he's struggling against the Windies he's going to be well and truely knackered when Starc and Johnson start firing in the same types of ball but at 90+ mph and with more swing and consistency. Frankly I'd give him to the end of the series and if he hasn't scored drop him with Bell taking over as captain for New Zealand. I'd also drop Trott for the next test and bring in Lythe. We need to stop mollycoddling senior players who are not performing.
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Apr 16, 2015 16:56:51 GMT
Stokes Indeed - bit too much adrenaline flowing through that young man's veins! He's young enough to learn. Now let's see what the Butler can deliver. He's got a couple of hours, give or take, to do something. It'll be fun if he sticks around. But attention now on Balance. Good luck fella!
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 16, 2015 17:02:07 GMT
Well done Gary Ballance!
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Apr 16, 2015 17:03:48 GMT
Well there you are - he's got his century; 4th in 9 tests. That's exceptional - just one Englishman has done better. Bish will no doubt remember him; Herbert Sutcliffe.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 17:20:17 GMT
Well there you are - he's got his century; 4th in 9 tests. That's exceptional - just one Englishman has done better. Bish will no doubt remember him; Herbert Sutcliffe. Yes I remember Bert as a young lad .....he turned out all right
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 17:28:18 GMT
The thought of Buttler and Stokes batting together is certainly very exciting, Stokes opened his account with two reverse sweeps! Let's not wish out Balance just yet though! Plenty of positives so far in this test for England - Stokes, Root, Bell and now Balance. The bowling looked tidy with Tredwell doing particularly well. The worries are the same old ones; conservative management as seen in the selection of Trott ahead of Lythe and Alistair Cook whose captaincy is as uninspiring as ever but whose batting seems in terminal decline. Just heard Freddie Flintoff saying folk should get off his back. What nonsense - media comments and social media chat has nothing to do with Cook's sustained appalling form. It ain't them whose figured out Cook seems unable to cope with a succession of full balls outside his off stump. That's the opposition. And if he's struggling against the Windies he's going to be well and truely knackered when Starc and Johnson start firing in the same types of ball but at 90+ mph and with more swing and consistency. Frankly I'd give him to the end of the series and if he hasn't scored drop him with Bell taking over as captain for New Zealand. I'd also drop Trott for the next test and bring in Lythe. We need to stop mollycoddling senior players who are not performing. I have to say that it does strike me as quite amazing that a player is able to score 25 Test Centuries before being " found out " .......these modern bowlers really are slow on the uptake .....better late than never I suppose ( not from Cook's point of view of course )
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 16, 2015 18:02:23 GMT
As much as I love watching Buttler bat, we need enough time, declare soon please Alistair, we've been stung a few times here in 09 when we had them 8 and 9 down and drew both games before the...ahem 51 all out ahem....
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 16, 2015 18:12:10 GMT
Cooky calls them in, the West Indies require 438 to win.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 18:13:29 GMT
As much as I love watching Buttler bat, we need enough time, declare soon please Alistair, we've been stung a few times here in 09 when we had them 8 and 9 down and drew both games before the...ahem 51 all out ahem.... We don't talk about the 51 .......declaration is a decent one I think , should be enough time o get them out and win .
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 16, 2015 18:27:24 GMT
Nudged straight to short leg!
Great bowling and good captaincy!
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 16, 2015 18:36:25 GMT
Broad looks like he's in one of those Durham 2013 moods
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 16, 2015 18:41:23 GMT
Tea time, some drift there for Tredwell too.
WI 9-1
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 19:00:51 GMT
Broad looks like he's in one of those Durham 2013 moods That would be a match winning mood then .....let's hope so
|
|
|
Post by ukcstokie on Apr 16, 2015 20:44:40 GMT
Broad looks like he's in one of those Durham 2013 moods That would be a match winning mood then .....let's hope so I think that's passed now. Has Cook gone on the defensive too early? One slip to Tredwell (and no other close catchers) when they still need 350+.
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Apr 16, 2015 20:45:07 GMT
Let's not wish out Balance just yet though! Plenty of positives so far in this test for England - Stokes, Root, Bell and now Balance. The bowling looked tidy with Tredwell doing particularly well. The worries are the same old ones; conservative management as seen in the selection of Trott ahead of Lythe and Alistair Cook whose captaincy is as uninspiring as ever but whose batting seems in terminal decline. Just heard Freddie Flintoff saying folk should get off his back. What nonsense - media comments and social media chat has nothing to do with Cook's sustained appalling form. It ain't them whose figured out Cook seems unable to cope with a succession of full balls outside his off stump. That's the opposition. And if he's struggling against the Windies he's going to be well and truely knackered when Starc and Johnson start firing in the same types of ball but at 90+ mph and with more swing and consistency. Frankly I'd give him to the end of the series and if he hasn't scored drop him with Bell taking over as captain for New Zealand. I'd also drop Trott for the next test and bring in Lythe. We need to stop mollycoddling senior players who are not performing. I have to say that it does strike me as quite amazing that a player is able to score 25 Test Centuries before being " found out " .......these modern bowlers really are slow on the uptake .....better late than never I suppose ( not from Cook's point of view of course ) It's hard to figure what has happened to Cook. 25 centuries is a huge number of big scores. What's gone wrong? You're right - if he has a fundamental weakness it's taken a helluva a long time for folk to cotton on. But how to explain what has happened to him? For someone of his class to be so poor for so long just makes no sense to me. But hope springs eternal. Two tests to go in this series against a modest bowling attack. Bell and Balance both managed to find form, so no reason Cook can't. He'll not get a better chance; he might not get another one!
|
|
|
Post by ukcstokie on Apr 16, 2015 20:53:32 GMT
Another excellent catch at slip from Jordan.
Yes!
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 16, 2015 20:54:06 GMT
Stunner from Jordan off Root!
Horrible time to come to the crease, push on now England get another tonight.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 20:54:11 GMT
What a catch by Jordan ! Marvelous
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 16, 2015 20:56:02 GMT
Lots of chat round Samuels now, got to love stump mics
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 16, 2015 20:58:10 GMT
No slips?
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Apr 16, 2015 21:06:07 GMT
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Apr 16, 2015 21:07:58 GMT
Isn't it great watching live test cricket at 10.00 pm?
One of several reasons I love tours of the Windies!
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 16, 2015 21:19:15 GMT
98-2 at stumps, some great rough forming outside off stump to the left hander.
Can hopefully pick up a few tomorrow morning before taking advantage of quite a long tail.
|
|