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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 14, 2015 23:23:18 GMT
And we didn't have SJW today
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Post by 2004 on Feb 15, 2015 0:21:05 GMT
I get the sense he is not to welcome in the average player clique in the squad.
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 15, 2015 1:15:17 GMT
Very similar to the the thread Muniesa recieved after the Everton match last season.
Bayern got it spot on the third best CB at the club with excellent potential.
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Post by stokesupporter on Feb 15, 2015 1:40:13 GMT
Good enough for cover, but I would not sign him permanently. He just hasn't got the physical attributes for a further developement. He is simply too slow, weak and soft for a English game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 15, 2015 2:04:35 GMT
We only need cover don't we?
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Post by StokieNath on Feb 15, 2015 2:09:11 GMT
The lad has played 5 games surely he needs time to adapt to this country and the premier league give him time.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 15, 2015 2:13:33 GMT
He's good when attacking the ball, but play the ball in behind him and he's knackered, to slow!!!
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Post by StokieNath on Feb 15, 2015 2:18:59 GMT
He's good when attacking the ball, but play the ball in behind him and he's knackered, to slow!!! Blackburn did exactly that with that bloody King
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Post by Binndy on Feb 15, 2015 3:08:46 GMT
A lack of leadership was the general issue. With begovic and ryan being out maybe hughes should have got up and done a pulis shout of eg pick the ball up and throw it. Sometimes a manager has to take control. if there a lack of experience/ leadership on the field. Guidence from the touchline helps.
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 15, 2015 3:20:28 GMT
I got slaughtered saying this on his debut, almost identical thread title I created. Leadership is essential in organising anything...
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Post by tuum on Feb 15, 2015 5:04:55 GMT
And there we have it. Five games played, a couple played poorly, and Wollschied has been completely written off. Just like Assaidi and Arnie were written off last season. Just like Bojan, N'zonzi and Muniesa have been. Why is it so far beyond the average Stoke fan's mental capacity to give a player some time to adapt to a completely new club, country and teammates? Why can't it be accepted that footballers don't play well in every game? Why can't we just learn from the countless times that players have come good after shaky starts that it is stupid to judge their entire ability from a couple of bad games?! It's absolutely embarrassing and shameful - nobody is in a position to judge him at such an early stage. But using the same logic you should be castigating those fans who saw him as the next Beckenbauer after a couple of decent outings in his opening games. If he is good in one game he is lauded. If he is shite in one game he is vilified. You can't have one without the other. What we should strive for is a balanced view. My balanced view on what I have seen thus far is that I would not sign him permanently. I think he struggles to defend and his lack of pace will forever be a concern. I accept he passes the ball more fluently than what we have had before but I remain unconvinced at this moment.
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Post by stokesupporter on Feb 15, 2015 9:05:06 GMT
The lad has played 5 games surely he needs time to adapt to this country and the premier league give him time. I doubt he will get much better because his limitations will always be there. His lack of speed will always be a hazard when chasing a game.
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Post by sopendal on Feb 15, 2015 9:11:58 GMT
Good enough for cover, but I would not sign him permanently. He just hasn't got the physical attributes for a further developement. He is simply too slow, weak and soft for a English game. absolutely agree, finally someone said it openly! this guy can run just a bit faster than my grandma. unfortunately for him and her, she died 9 years ago..
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Post by 2004 on Feb 15, 2015 9:22:56 GMT
Worringly slow
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Post by lordb on Feb 15, 2015 9:38:56 GMT
Reminded me of Steven Tweed yesterday.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 15, 2015 9:42:47 GMT
A poor mertesacker if that's possible, as he is particularly pants.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 9:49:18 GMT
Good enough for cover, but I would not sign him permanently. He just hasn't got the physical attributes for a further developement. He is simply too slow, weak and soft for a English game. His first bad game and he's consigned to the shit bin? The irony of your user name being Stoke "supporter" too. You couldn't make this shit up. Give the fucking lad a chance. You don't write a player off based on one bad performance. I assume you were one of the "supporters" writing Bojan off when it didn't happen for him over the first couple of months? Jesus fucking christ.
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Post by lordb on Feb 15, 2015 9:53:49 GMT
Good enough for cover, but I would not sign him permanently. He just hasn't got the physical attributes for a further developement. He is simply too slow, weak and soft for a English game. His first bad game and he's consigned to the shit bin? The irony of your user name being Stoke "supporter" too. You couldn't make this shit up. Give the fucking lad a chance. You don't write a player off based on one bad performance. I assume you were one of the "supporters" writing Bojan off when it didn't happen for him over the first couple of months? Jesus fucking christ. Your argument is good. It was such an astonishingly poor performance though that it is fair to express doubts. There have been signs in other games that he is a bit of a fanny. Happy to wait till end of season but as of now it's fair to say he's a concern.
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Post by snoogle on Feb 15, 2015 9:58:43 GMT
Not fancied wolf since he joined....good on the ball, but no pace and constantly tries to compensate for it by getting wrong side of his man only to get turned and then be totally out of the game....me thinks that's why muni has looked so suspect since shawx got injured.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 15, 2015 10:01:03 GMT
We miss Shawcross so much. Most underrated defender in the league. Makes our wank defence look quite good.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 15, 2015 10:03:10 GMT
His first bad game and he's consigned to the shit bin? The irony of your user name being Stoke "supporter" too. You couldn't make this shit up. Give the fucking lad a chance. You don't write a player off based on one bad performance. I assume you were one of the "supporters" writing Bojan off when it didn't happen for him over the first couple of months? Jesus fucking christ. Your argument is good. It was such an astonishingly poor performance though that it is fair to express doubts. There have been signs in other games that he is a bit of a fanny. Happy to wait till end of season but as of now it's fair to say he's a concern. I've got huge doubts about him and the "bit of a fanny" part along with him being slower than a milk float in a head wind are big concerns. He's now played 7 times so we can say we are getting a true picture of him. He was no worse than anyone else at Arsenal and it's hard to judge at places like that anyway. At Leicester he played well against a stuttering forward like but in fairness he did dominate them so no problems there. Similarly at Newcastle, we bossed possession and defensively he didn't have a great lot to do (which was strange given he got MotM). Worryingly he's looked a bit ropey against Rochdale (where he was lucky on a number of occasions) and suspect against QPR, Man City and obviously he was utter dross yesterday. My reading of him so far is that he's a good player who is comfortable in possession and looks great when we as a team are dominating the opposition. The problem stems from when we are up against it and forwards want to take the game to him, that is where his deficiencies start to become obvious.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 15, 2015 10:03:38 GMT
Too early to judge. He needs time to settle and he needs to play alongside Ryan and in a 4 comprising Ryan Eric and Bards rather than be hung out to dry.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 15, 2015 10:45:21 GMT
I will also blame Hughes for Wolly's dreadful game yesterday! When we took the lead why did we have to push up as much as we did? In the first half there were numerous situations were Wolly struggled when they hoofed the ball into the space behind our defence! Wolly even got a yellow in one of these situations, but still we went on with the same tactics. We could have forced Blackburn to push more up with our 1-0 lead, and Diouf was certainly a lot quicker than their defence! If we are going to play with Wolly and Muni in central defence again (I hope not!) we can't use this kind of tactic! I know people have been slating Wilson for making some mistakes, but he has never looked as vulnerable as Wolly in his last two games in any game I've seen, and I've seen almost all our games for the last 7 years! What about Tex, could he be the answer to partner Ryan? Not seen enough of him to make up my mind really. My team for Villa will be if the players I hope are fit (if Ireland is still out I'll play Arnie out right and Walters in the middle)! .................Bego................ Bardsley...Shawcross..Wilson...Pieters ...........N'Zonzi..Cameron........... Walters........Ireland..........Moses ................Diouf................. I know this is hard on Crouchy, but away I don't think he works as good as at home when we can pile on more pressure. Whelan has been awful for the last two games and needs a rest too in my opinion! We need competition for places!
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Post by andylgr on Feb 15, 2015 10:47:40 GMT
In the 2nd half against Man City they used the space behind him as they tried to play on his lack of pace as well.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 15, 2015 10:51:48 GMT
In the 2nd half against Man City they used the space behind him as they tried to play on his lack of pace as well. And it worked very well too! Afraid he will be the weak point our opponents will try to make use of.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 15, 2015 10:54:15 GMT
In the 2nd half against Man City they used the space behind him as they tried to play on his lack of pace as well. And it worked very well too! Afraid he will be the weak point our opponents will try to make use of. It's not hard to suss out either, we were so square and immobile it was untrue. I was slightly confused yesterday when I was pointing this out only to be told we were trying to play an off-side game despite no player stepping out and appealing! I went on to say that it wasn't working very well as it didn't against Man City!
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 15, 2015 11:00:10 GMT
And it worked very well too! Afraid he will be the weak point our opponents will try to make use of. It's not hard to suss out either, we were so square and immobile it was untrue. I was slightly confused yesterday when I was pointing this out only to be told we were trying to play an off-side game despite no player stepping out and appealing! I went on to say that it wasn't working very well as it didn't against Man City! To play the offside game will never work unless you put a lot of pressure on the man with the ball, but yesterday they only had to hoof it up and we looked vulnerable every time!
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Post by Bombus on Feb 15, 2015 11:06:25 GMT
Jesus.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 15, 2015 11:14:58 GMT
It's not Wollscheid's fault that Sparky started with a suicidal high line. What makes it worse is, he didn't even think to rectify it.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 15, 2015 11:16:46 GMT
However, the description that Wollsheid is a "poor man's Mertesacker" before we signed him looks pretty accurate.
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