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Post by StokieAsh13 on Feb 14, 2015 19:20:57 GMT
If fit the back four next week needs to be Bards Ryan Wilson Erik What was he saying to Bards mate ?
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Post by trigger on Feb 14, 2015 19:23:35 GMT
And to add insult to injury Blackburn made 8 changes to their squad.
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 14, 2015 19:23:50 GMT
The piece in the Oatcake was interesting because he seems to be either good or shite
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 14, 2015 19:37:15 GMT
If fit the back four next week needs to be Bards Ryan Wilson Erik What was he saying to Bards mate ? He's just been murdered by their striker in a one on one situation and ran over to Bards, getting all in his face until Glenn intervened and basically told him to shut the fuck up and worry about your own performance (at least that is what it looked like anyway).
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Feb 14, 2015 19:47:36 GMT
What was he saying to Bards mate ? He's just been murdered by their striker in a one on one situation and ran over to Bards, getting all in his face until Glenn intervened and basically told him to shut the fuck up and worry about your own performance (at least that is what it looked like anyway). Cheers mate.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Feb 14, 2015 19:55:48 GMT
Ange mentioned it on Knot fm last week. He is vulnerable to quicker attackers. This was shown against the Arse, Shitty and today. Hopefully Huth will return from Leicester fitter and ready for next season at Stoke alongside Ryan where he belongs.
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Post by icelandpotter on Feb 14, 2015 20:05:18 GMT
Can't excuse his performance in the last 2 games (Man City and Blackburn) his defending and speed is abysmal
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Post by wuzza on Feb 14, 2015 20:08:55 GMT
BOTH centre back were dire today - and neither full back can be proud of their contributions either. To single out Wolli is just daft.
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Post by fisty lizard on Feb 14, 2015 20:14:52 GMT
Been a mixture of solid and woeful so far.
He's played well when alongside Ryan, and has been exposed terribley in his absense. He still need more time to bed in to the side, and will benefit and improve as a prem player when the back line is back to full strength.
One thing he needs to cut out is having a pop at some of the players when we concede and swallow a bit of responsibility for his own positioning.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 14, 2015 21:18:14 GMT
BOTH centre back were dire today - and neither full back can be proud of their contributions either. To single out Wolli is just daft. I wasn't at the game, listened to it and have just watched the highlights on BT Sport. I agree with an earlier post that today wasn't the time to use Butland with such an unestablished defence - exaggerated when Cameron was sent off. The back 4 failed to work as a unit in front of Jack Wollscheid came to the rescue, saving on the line after a misjudgement from Butland Muniesa was at fault for their 3rd goal, the ball went over him and in the sprint to catch up he has pulled his hamstring. At one point in the first half I feared that Crouch may have hurt himself Diouf gave everything, he missed a sitter but did made a nuisance of himself and had too much to do once we were down to 10 And only 1 of my lottery numbers has been drawn Not a good day Get fit Ryan
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2015 21:21:35 GMT
Shawcross and Muni is clearly the way forward. Both are excellent centre halves.
Wollscheid too is a good centre half but has way more limitations than the other two.
We need Pieters back and a new right back asap.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 14, 2015 21:27:08 GMT
BOTH centre back were dire today - and neither full back can be proud of their contributions either. To single out Wolli is just daft. I'd totally agree that both were shit. My problem with Wolly was him trying to blame everyone else rather than accept he was wank.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 14, 2015 21:29:57 GMT
I didn't see it like that Jamo - I thought Bardsley was shooting his mouth off which might have been justified if he wasn't so consistently godawful himself!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 21:53:50 GMT
Did say he is wellshite
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 14, 2015 22:04:06 GMT
I didn't see it like that Jamo - I thought Bardsley was shooting his mouth off which might have been justified if he wasn't so consistently godawful himself! I can't blame him either! So was I at the way we were dealing with their forwards!
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Post by stokefaninde on Feb 14, 2015 22:06:02 GMT
The thing that worries me about him is the way he moves. He doesn't move like a good athlete, he is very awkward when he does things.
The positive is he has had good moments. Way too soon to write him off, but is athleticism worries me.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Feb 14, 2015 22:09:21 GMT
If fit the back four next week needs to be Bards Ryan Wilson Erik Spot on Jamo, the worry for me is that Whelan clearly felt there were a number of the players on the pitch that didn't want to knuckle down and fight the good fight when Blackburn turned on the long ball heat. Hell we are missing Ryan and SJW. Today was nearly as bad as it gets. I say nearly, because we could have lost by 5 or 6 or 7 quite easily to a team with 8 changes! Can see our season imploding if they don't collectively get a grip and address the apparent 'prima donna - couldn't care less' attitude that appears to be creeping into our camp. I am not going to single anyone out, I thought Whelan's interview on Stoke Player just about summed it up for me. Credit to Blackburn, they wanted it and we fell tamely by the way side. What a totally shit day.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 22:12:59 GMT
He's the one defender we have with a footballing brain. A consistent run alongside Shawcross will see him moved from where he is now, with supporters and teammates questioning him, to a lynchpin of the back four.
Footballers are'nt daft. They are very streetwise and many will realise that the arrival of a clever, ball playing defender will show up some of their weaknesses. Take a look at certain members of this team and how they react when he has the ball and how they react when he makes a mistake. It tells you all you need to know.
Also, let's bear in mind that he has played only 5 games in a makeshift back four.
Too many people have jumped in with both feet on this one.
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Post by timbo1988 on Feb 14, 2015 22:23:11 GMT
He's the one defender we have with a footballing brain. A consistent run alongside Shawcross will see him moved from where he is now, with supporters and teammates questioning him, to a lynchpin of the back four. Footballers are'nt daft. They are very streetwise and many will realise that the arrival of a clever, ball playing defender will show up some of their weaknesses. Take a look at certain members of this team and how they react when he has the ball and how they react when he makes a mistake. It tells you all you need to know. Also, let's bear in mind that he has played only 5 games in a makeshift back four. Too many people have jumped in with both feet on this one. I don't we have. Most are concerned and rightly so with his lack of speed!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 14, 2015 22:26:20 GMT
His lack of speed is indeed frightening.
He's quite clearly the third best centre back we have. Although I still think he's good cover for a team of our size.
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 14, 2015 22:32:36 GMT
Ange mentioned it on Knot fm last week. He is vulnerable to quicker attackers. This was shown against the Arse, Shitty and today. Hopefully Huth will return from Leicester fitter and ready for next season at Stoke alongside Ryan where he belongs. Huth is not the answer unfortunately! We must buy a new CB in the summer!
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Feb 14, 2015 22:38:22 GMT
He runs like he's got a piano on his back
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2015 22:44:51 GMT
As well as being slow in a straight line, Wolly was slow on the turn as well.
More troublesome for me was the way in which he was swatted aside in any physical challenges and his inability to win a header against a determined striker.
I think our search for a new centre back has just started again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 22:46:07 GMT
The English league is tough and uncompromising, and every game is of a high intensity compared to most European leagues. I thought second half against Man City he looked leggy, and today exposed his lack of genuine pace. In short I think the last month or so has caught up with him.
That said he needs time to adapt, I think ideally Hughes wouldn't have expected or wanted him to play as often as he has since his arrival but he has had no choice. Shawcross coming back will settle the whole defence down, as will the underrated Pieters....
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 14, 2015 22:47:47 GMT
And there we have it. Five games played, a couple played poorly, and Wollschied has been completely written off. Just like Assaidi and Arnie were written off last season. Just like Bojan, N'zonzi and Muniesa have been. Why is it so far beyond the average Stoke fan's mental capacity to give a player some time to adapt to a completely new club, country and teammates? Why can't it be accepted that footballers don't play well in every game? Why can't we just learn from the countless times that players have come good after shaky starts that it is stupid to judge their entire ability from a couple of bad games?! It's absolutely embarrassing and shameful - nobody is in a position to judge him at such an early stage. I don't know but it's pretty shameful. Bojan was apparently a waste of space after we signed him, then he gets long-term crocked and suddenly relegation is imminent. Oh well, never mind, the tickets might get cheaper I suppose. Now Wollscheid, who a couple of weeks ago was one of our brightest prospects in years, is a waste of space because we've had two poor games, and this means we're going to be relegated. Oh well, never mind, the tickets might get cheaper I suppose. If I'm being generous, perhaps it;'s because a lot of us a re very passionate about the club, but let's be honest so are the die hard fans of most clubs. We have a death wish at times. We need to be getting behind each and every player at the club, not slagging them off on a message board. Same applies to the manager also.
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2015 23:03:24 GMT
And there we have it. Five games played, a couple played poorly, and Wollschied has been completely written off. Just like Assaidi and Arnie were written off last season. Just like Bojan, N'zonzi and Muniesa have been. Why is it so far beyond the average Stoke fan's mental capacity to give a player some time to adapt to a completely new club, country and teammates? Why can't it be accepted that footballers don't play well in every game? Why can't we just learn from the countless times that players have come good after shaky starts that it is stupid to judge their entire ability from a couple of bad games?! It's absolutely embarrassing and shameful - nobody is in a position to judge him at such an early stage. I don't know but it's pretty shameful. Bojan was apparently a waste of space after we signed him, then he gets long-term crocked and suddenly relegation is imminent. Oh well, never mind, the tickets might get cheaper I suppose. Now Wollscheid, who a couple of weeks ago was one of our brightest prospects in years, is a waste of space because we've had two poor games, and this means we're going to be relegated. Oh well, never mind, the tickets might get cheaper I suppose. If I'm being generous, perhaps it;'s because a lot of us a re very passionate about the club, but let's be honest so are the die hard fans of most clubs. We have a death wish at times. We need to be getting behind each and every player at the club, not slagging them off on a message board. Same applies to the manager also. The trouble is mate, that I think it is easier to judge keepers and defenders than it is to judge those who play further forwards. We were right about Collins after all.
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 14, 2015 23:08:43 GMT
The trouble is mate, that I think it is easier to judge keepers and defenders than it is to judge those who play further forwards. We were right about Collins after all. Fair point, but Wollscheid needs more time. And I disagree that he's been "woeful" in his games so far. I think if anything, today he probably got dragged down by the general all round direness of the proceedings to be honest. To me he looks an exciting prospect for the future and a shrewd signing. But I'm probably a bit old fashioned.
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2015 23:10:26 GMT
The trouble is mate, that I think it is easier to judge keepers and defenders than it is to judge those who play further forwards. We were right about Collins after all. Fair point, but Wollscheid needs more time. And I disagree that he's been "woeful" in his games so far. I think if anything, today he probably got dragged down by the general all round direness of the proceedings to be honest. To me he looks an exciting prospect for the future and a shrewd signing. But I'm probably a bit old fashioned. I agree he needs time (he has to the end of the season), but today was rather disconcerting.
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 14, 2015 23:14:14 GMT
]I agree he needs time (he has to the end of the season), but today was rather disconcerting. Today was disconcerting in terms of the entire team, frankly. To single wollscheid out, a recent signing still bedding into the team and indeed the country, would be unfair.
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2015 23:18:08 GMT
]I agree he needs time (he has to the end of the season), but today was rather disconcerting. Today was disconcerting in terms of the entire team, frankly. To single wollscheid out, a recent signing still bedding into the team and indeed the country, would be unfair. A sensible point, well made.
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