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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 2, 2014 14:33:58 GMT
"I was surprised he hasn't really had a look in since the Sweden game when he had a brief appearance," Hughes griped.
"Since I've come here, he's been arguably our best player.
"He's got a lot of experience. If you look at the England squad there's not a great deal of senior leadership with the loss of Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard.
"We've got a young man with 200-odd games and a captain who can bring leadership qualities to the squad.
"My view is he deserves another look.
"Not to name names, but if you look at the Everton side at the moment they are not defending as they would like and three of their defenders are in the squad.
"There's a case for current form and for players doing well to have an opportunity."
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Post by hippyboy on Oct 2, 2014 14:36:37 GMT
Roy's secret agenda is blatantly the biggest elephant in the room. Clearly beyond a joke now
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 2, 2014 14:43:28 GMT
"I was surprised he hasn't really had a look in since the Sweden game when he had a brief appearance," Hughes griped. "Since I've come here, he's been arguably our best player. "He's got a lot of experience. If you look at the England squad there's not a great deal of senior leadership with the loss of Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard. "We've got a young man with 200-odd games and a captain who can bring leadership qualities to the squad. "My view is he deserves another look. "Not to name names, but if you look at the Everton side at the moment they are not defending as they would like and three of their defenders are in the squad. "There's a case for current form and for players doing well to have an opportunity." Dont waste yer breath Mark, youve gotta better things to do....dont bring yourself down to Hodgsons level |
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Post by Onneravineet on Oct 2, 2014 14:46:21 GMT
I didn't think it was possible but my respect for Mark Hughes has just increased. Very classy comments and very supportive of his captain.
Well done Mr Hughes. Two absolute class managers who have both worked with Ryan as their captain can't be wrong.
I have said it before and will say it again, I am done with England until Woy has gone. For me Jack Wilshire, the egotistical, vile, chav of a little twat, optimises all of that which is wrong with English football. Whilst he is there with the National squad being subsequently lauded by the press for it I'm glad Ryan isn't.
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 2, 2014 14:58:16 GMT
I didn't think it was possible but my respect for Mark Hughes has just increased. Very classy comments and very supportive of his captain. Well done Mr Hughes. Two absolute class managers who have both worked with Ryan as their captain can't be wrong. I have said it before and will say it again, I am done with England until Woy has gone. For me Jack Wilshire, the egotistical, vile, chav of a little twat, optimises all of that which is wrong with English football. Whilst he is there with the National squad being subsequently lauded by the press for it I'm glad Ryan isn't. I believe jack wilshit is responsible fir Ryan's exclusion. Woy isn't man enough to do what's right |
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Post by 2004 on Oct 2, 2014 15:00:11 GMT
Gotta love Sparky  |
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 2, 2014 15:02:39 GMT
He's dead right with every word that he says.
Maybe it'll help that he's making a bit of a fuss now. Then again, if it has the same effect as Swansea kicking up a fuss last time out then it might not be so good. They pushed the case for Nathan Dyer and ended up with Jonjo Shelvey in the England squad - if we continue to make the case for Ryan then it'll probably result in a call up for Steve Sidwell.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 15:08:30 GMT
It's not the Press, or Wenger, or Ramsey, or any other England player, or because Ryan is a Stoke player, or there's some hidden agenda, it's simply that Hodgson believes there are better players.
Unless something dramatic happens in terms of England results/injuries, or Stoke and Ryan have an outstanding season, then I think his chances of selection are pretty remote.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 15:10:52 GMT
"I was surprised he hasn't really had a look in since the Sweden game when he had a brief appearance," Hughes griped.
"Since I've come here, he's been arguably our best player. He's got a lot of experience. If you look at the England squad there's not a great deal of senior leadership with the loss of Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard."
"We've got a young man with 200-odd games and a captain who can bring leadership qualities to the squad. My view is he deserves another look."
"Not to name names, but if you look at the Everton side at the moment they are not defending as they would like and three of their defenders are in the squad."
"There's a case for current form and for players doing well to have an opportunity."
"But then again, Roy is a clueless, gutless, spunk trumpet who seems to select players on who they play for, and not how they actually play. Basically, he's a cunt. And he looks like a demented owl to boot."
Well said Les.
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Post by stantheman on Oct 2, 2014 15:12:30 GMT
Hodgson hated our style of play when he was at Liverpool, West Brom an Fulham.
He will never pick Ryan and I think we need to start getting used to this fact.
I'm actually glad that Ryan is no where near that group of over hyped pri-Madonnas.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Oct 2, 2014 15:15:15 GMT
This whole Woy/Ryan agenda...forgive me if I am wrong, but is this a similar case as per Revie/Sir Denis during the 70s.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 15:19:01 GMT
It's not the Press, or Wenger, or Ramsey, or any other England player, or because Ryan is a Stoke player, or there's some hidden agenda, it's simply that Hodgson believes there are better players. Unless something dramatic happens in terms of England results/injuries, or Stoke and Ryan have an outstanding season, then I think his chances of selection are pretty remote. ffS mate who's side are you On?how much off a better season shud we have for ryan to get called do we have to win the leage lol? |
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 15:20:59 GMT
I'm on Englands side hawky.
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Post by coates on Oct 2, 2014 15:20:59 GMT
It's not the Press, or Wenger, or Ramsey, or any other England player, or because Ryan is a Stoke player, or there's some hidden agenda, it's simply that Hodgson believes there are better players. Unless something dramatic happens in terms of England results/injuries, or Stoke and Ryan have an outstanding season, then I think his chances of selection are pretty remote. Why does he keep selecting players who constantly underperform for England and for their club side? We all know if ryan played for United or Liverpool he would 've straight in the team. |
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Post by jpm64 on Oct 2, 2014 15:22:45 GMT
I'm on Englands side hawky. Clearly not or you would be calling for Ryan's inclusion ?? |
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 2, 2014 15:22:55 GMT
It's not the Press, or Wenger, or Ramsey, or any other England player, or because Ryan is a Stoke player, or there's some hidden agenda, it's simply that Hodgson believes there are better players. Unless something dramatic happens in terms of England results/injuries, or Stoke and Ryan have an outstanding season, then I think his chances of selection are pretty remote. Geoff, he has left two spaces empty in his squad and picked only three centre backs. He doesn't believe there are better players, he believes that not having any back up centre backs is better than having him in the squad at all. Does that seem at all sensible to you? |
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Post by sportsman on Oct 2, 2014 15:30:13 GMT
I'm on Englands side hawky. Englands side? I'm on Stoke's and Ryan's. |
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 15:33:14 GMT
On every thread I've seen MD about Ryan there have been posters trying to portray him as a victim, a victim of some agenda, in my view that is rubbish.
He's not selected because Hodgson doesn't rate him highly enough, that may be a bad decision but it's the reality.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 2, 2014 15:35:02 GMT
You can't say that... otherwise you're a glory hunter apparently.
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Post by liamo on Oct 2, 2014 15:39:03 GMT
On every thread I've seen MD about Ryan there have been posters trying to portray him as a victim, a victim of some agenda, in my view that is rubbish. He's not selected because Hodgson doesn't rate him highly enough, that may be a bad decision but it's the reality. Ryan captains our team and leads a defence that has conceded 5 goals so far this season, the second best defence in the league, including leading the back in a clean sheet at the Etihad, 3 defenders called up to the England squad play for an Everton team that has conceded 14 goals this season, more than ANY other team in the league The facts don't lie, Roy isn't picking his teams on merit |
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Post by coates on Oct 2, 2014 15:39:56 GMT
On every thread I've seen MD about Ryan there have been posters trying to portray him as a victim, a victim of some agenda, in my view that is rubbish. He's not selected because Hodgson doesn't rate him highly enough, that may be a bad decision but it's the reality. So if jones,smalling,cahill or stones got done by messi or Ronaldo would they get dropped? |
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Post by jpm64 on Oct 2, 2014 15:40:09 GMT
On every thread I've seen MD about Ryan there have been posters trying to portray him as a victim, a victim of some agenda, in my view that is rubbish. He's not selected because Hodgson doesn't rate him highly enough, that may be a bad decision but it's the reality. My late father was Irish and I have therefore always aligned myself to the Irish national team ( yes I'm a plastic Paddy ) but like most if not all of you Stoke come first...... What I am saying is I have no real axe to grind or strong feelings towards the England team but it seems very clear to me that there IS an agenda at play here as there can be no other explanation for his non inclusion when you look at those who ARE included and their current form ? |
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Post by Gods on Oct 2, 2014 15:41:04 GMT
Great that Sparky spoke out  I'm less sure about explicitly calling out the Everton defence, hope that one doesn't come back to bite us in the arse. |
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Post by coates on Oct 2, 2014 15:42:16 GMT
On every thread I've seen MD about Ryan there have been posters trying to portray him as a victim, a victim of some agenda, in my view that is rubbish. He's not selected because Hodgson doesn't rate him highly enough, that may be a bad decision but it's the reality. My late father was Irish and I have therefore always aligned myself to the Irish national team ( yes I'm a plastic Paddy ) but like most if not all of you Stoke come first...... What I am saying is I have no real axe to grind or strong feelings towards the England team but it seems very clear to me that there IS an agenda at play here as there can be no other explanation for his non inclusion when you look at those who ARE included and their current form ? Exactly going on current form ryan should be picked, what if he played and had a stormer? |
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Post by ohbottom on Oct 2, 2014 15:44:58 GMT
I understand what Geoff is saying, I think. He's saying Hodgson doesn't rate him. He's not saying he agrees with that assessment.
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Post by ladyinred on Oct 2, 2014 15:51:13 GMT
It's not the Press, or Wenger, or Ramsey, or any other England player, or because Ryan is a Stoke player, or there's some hidden agenda, it's simply that Hodgson believes there are better players.
Unless something dramatic happens in terms of England results/injuries, or Stoke and Ryan have an outstanding season, then I think his chances of selection are pretty remote. I could accept this if Hodgson had called up Curtis Davies/Steven Caulker, but he has called up NOBODY. Hodgson thinks that having 2 spare defensive spaces is of more benefit than calling up somebody else. What happens if in May 2016 Jagielka/Cahill/Jones/Stones all get injured? Are England going to play with the invisible man at CB? - or call in an internationally inexperienced player. This squad is a great opportunity to give players experience - you never know when they might be needed. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 2, 2014 15:51:54 GMT
This is because Hughes is worried about Ryan leaving Stoke because hes not getting a look-in with England under Roy.
If Shawcross was in the national squad as he rightly should be, there would be no risk of him leaving us for a top 7 club or Southampton just to try and get into Roy's goodbooks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 15:56:58 GMT
It's past a joke now. The qualifiers are against San Marino and bastard Estonia. I would look good against them so what a opportunity it would have been to throw ryan in and gain some confidence
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Post by phil89 on Oct 2, 2014 16:00:42 GMT
Well done Sparky,you have done right in speaking out.I work in a large factory with a large workforce,the amount of times ive been asked by non supporting Stoke football fans "why is Ryan Shawcross not being picked for England when he is playing so well?" Id be a rich man!If most of the footballing world can see this why cant Woy!
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 16:13:53 GMT
I think ladyinred that you make good points,so the fact that Hodgson leaves a gap in defensive cover rather than call up Ryan can only mean that he doesn't intend to select him and probably doesn't see him as International class.
What other conclusion can you reach?
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