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Post by tazi on Oct 2, 2014 16:13:57 GMT
Cahill got done by Kenny fooking miller and look what happened afterwards, oh forget it.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 2, 2014 16:15:51 GMT
I'm on Englands side hawky. You would be.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 16:16:00 GMT
It's past a joke now. The qualifiers are against San Marino and bastard Estonia. I would look good against them so what a opportunity it would have been to throw ryan in and gain some confidence He'll wait until Germany away to prove his point.
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Post by Onneravineet on Oct 2, 2014 16:22:48 GMT
I'm on Englands side hawky. For me it is club before country every time. I happen to think that Ryan is a better defender than Cahill and Jagielka and I know who I would choose to represent my country. So, actually, for the reasons supporting my club I would want Ryan picked and for my country I would also want Ryan picked. I'm puzzled how you see differently to be honest?
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Post by gothicstokelover on Oct 2, 2014 16:27:25 GMT
I really hope when we play Southampton twice in a week we beat them Home and Away with Ryan scoring the winning goal ...Realistically though I hope we beat them twice or draw and win one, don't care the scoreline will just prove we have a better defence than them.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 2, 2014 16:27:34 GMT
This whole Woy/Ryan agenda...forgive me if I am wrong, but is this a similar case as per Revie/Sir Denis during the 70s. Not really mate. When Denis was playing there was a plethora of decent Central defenders that would have kept him out of contention.....Moore, Labone, Charlton, McFarland, Hughes, Watson. Compare those players, any of who would grace the England team of the 60s and 70s, with the players Woy picks from thin air because of who they play for at every squad announcement. Plus Smithy succombed to a series of serious injuries throughout his career which included 5 broken legs, broken collarbone plus numerous other injuries.
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Post by Whitmore on Oct 2, 2014 16:33:46 GMT
For those of you questioning cover at centre half, Hodgson has said he will recall chambers from the Under 21's if a centre half gets injured. edit: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29460356But the England boss said Arsenal defender Calum Chambers, named in the Under-21 squad for the Euro 2015 play-off with Croatia, would be called up in the event of any withdrawals. "Calum would be the next one to come in but at the moment is 'loaned out' to the Under-21s," said Hodgson.
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Post by podolipotter on Oct 2, 2014 16:34:01 GMT
Even the Stoke-hating Mail journalist, Samuels yesterday suggested that Ryan might be called up today so Woy must be aware of some pressure to have a good look at our die-hard defender. He really ought to travel North of Watford Gap now and then......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 2, 2014 16:34:50 GMT
Cahill is in a side regularly keeping clean sheets in the Champions League, I'm not a massive fan but its hard to argue he shouldn't be in the side. The other spot is up for grabs and Shawcross is a major contender. The bell end Hodgson is just mocking him now.
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Post by arniepieinthesky on Oct 2, 2014 16:38:26 GMT
I have no passion for the England set up any longer to be honest, I literally don't care - Stoke always have and always will come first for me, I think this is the same for most.....but I really do feel for Ryan in this case because I'm sure it does bother him...anyone else would have pushed to move away by now, believed the hype behind the agenda - whether it's there or not, however he's seems genuinely happy at Stoke and overall seems to deem that more important at this time to perform well for his club - top pro
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 16:45:14 GMT
The Everton defence is on form again tonight.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 16:46:54 GMT
Just to answer some of the previous posters. There have been numerous Shawcross threads about his non selection for England. Most of these threads have contained many posts about so called agendas against Ryan. I am simply saying that the stark reality is that Hodgson doesn't rate Ryan or even see him as an England player, if ever he had a chance of being selected this was it.
Whether Hodgson is right in his view of Ryan is a matter of opinion, of course 99% of people on here think he is wrong.
The bottom line for me though is that the England manager selects what he thinks is the best team and players and there is no agenda driving his selections.
The fact for instance that Everton have conceded more goals than Stoke this season does not prove very much other than Martinez has never produced good defensive teams whereas Hughes has.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Oct 2, 2014 16:48:00 GMT
It's not the Press, or Wenger, or Ramsey, or any other England player, or because Ryan is a Stoke player, or there's some hidden agenda, it's simply that Hodgson believes there are better players.
Unless something dramatic happens in terms of England results/injuries, or Stoke and Ryan have an outstanding season, then I think his chances of selection are pretty remote. If thats the case then he has no business picking our national side.
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Post by thestatusquo on Oct 2, 2014 16:48:33 GMT
I think ladyinred that you make good points,so the fact that Hodgson leaves a gap in defensive cover rather than call up Ryan can only mean that he doesn't intend to select him and probably doesn't see him as International class. What other conclusion can you reach? That Hodgson is a clueless clown that wouldn't know a decent player if he fell over one and on the back of not one but two shambolic appearance in finals the latter hitting an all time low you think that he knows what he's doing !! Unbelievable Geoff !!
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Post by redstriper on Oct 2, 2014 16:49:23 GMT
Woy is very lucky to still be in a job after the WC debacle. He has backed himself into a corner on this and would pick the Man Utd kit man before Ryan. He may never come to watch Stoke again because he doesn't want to be asked the direct question.
He is putting his own prejudices in front of the good of the England team. Either that, or the little Arsenal shit has something on him...
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Post by onionman on Oct 2, 2014 16:50:48 GMT
The Everton defence is on form again tonight. From the BBC: Phil Jagielka miscues a hooked clearance, taking John Stones out of the game and diverting the ball into Ari's path. The Brazilian has time to compose himself and wait for the bounce before dispatching a finish past Howard.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 16:53:46 GMT
The Everton defence is on form again tonight. From the BBC: Phil Jagielka miscues a hooked clearance, taking John Stones out of the game and diverting the ball into Ari's path. The Brazilian has time to compose himself and wait for the bounce before dispatching a finish past Howard. They could easily have conceded 3 in the first half.
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Post by ladyinred on Oct 2, 2014 17:01:41 GMT
I think ladyinred that you make good points,so the fact that Hodgson leaves a gap in defensive cover rather than call up Ryan can only mean that he doesn't intend to select him and probably doesn't see him as International class. What other conclusion can you reach? I agree, Hodgson has no intention of selecting Ryan or Davies or Caulker for that matter. But why not 'have another look' it really is incompetent and neglectful to leave empty spaces.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 17:15:38 GMT
Geoff is right in that woy just thinks he isnt good enough.
Anyone with an ounce of football knowledge can see that is bullshit. England need defenders who can defend first and foremost. Being able to carry the ball out got us fuck all in the world cup. Not being able to deal with a simple cross to the far post or a straight long ball lost us everything. Ryan would have prevented both those goals but we saw in the summer that woy is years bwhind everyone else
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 17:17:13 GMT
The bell end Hodgson is just mocking him now. That was my thought on hearing he'll be calling up Chambers if needed. It's clear that Shawcross is the last person that Hodgson will ever call up, and for any competent England manager to arrive at that decision for anything other than non-footballing reasons is unthinkable in my book. If it is for non-footbaling reasons then you'd have to wonder what these could be, given that Stoke's last two managers have been pleased to have him as their captain. Everything I've ever heard about Shawcross points to him being a model professional.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 2, 2014 17:30:07 GMT
The bottom line for me though is that the England manager selects what he thinks is the best team and players and there is no agenda driving his selections.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Oct 2, 2014 17:32:28 GMT
Woy is very lucky to still be in a job after the WC debacle. He has backed himself into a corner on this and would pick the Man Utd kit man before Ryan. He may never come to watch Stoke again because he doesn't want to be asked the direct question. He is putting his own prejudices in front of the good of the England team. Either that, or the little Arsenal shit has something on him... I've got something on him. He's a cunt.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 2, 2014 17:51:54 GMT
Everton have the worst defence in EUROPE yet the mighty England could line up with 3 of their back four playing.
Hodgson, as well as being a shocking manager, is a hypocrite. The fact he's in the job is a national disgrace.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 18:02:08 GMT
Hopefully Mark Hughes has spoken privately to Roy Hodgson, otherwise these public comments by him might not do Ryan any favours, in my opinion.
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Post by onionman on Oct 2, 2014 18:10:00 GMT
Hopefully Mark Hughes has spoken privately to Roy Hodgson, otherwise these public comments by him might not do Ryan any favours, in my opinion. Why's that Geoff? If Roy is picking his team purely on ability and form, and has no agenda, then surely anything Hughes might say in public is completely irrelevant.
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Post by steakandchips on Oct 2, 2014 18:17:03 GMT
Hodgson should have been sacked after the WC debacle. Give the job to Gary Neville
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 18:17:40 GMT
Hopefully Mark Hughes has spoken privately to Roy Hodgson, otherwise these public comments by him might not do Ryan any favours, in my opinion. It won't make any difference. Hodgson is convinced that 15 minutes against Sweden where Ryan lost one of the best forwards in the world is enough to warrant him never getting another sniff. That's not conjecture either, it's fact.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 18:23:56 GMT
Hodgson should have been sacked after the WC debacle. Give the job to Gary Neville 100% agree that he should of lost his job. People can talk about the lack of available quality but what about the suicidal tactics he employed?
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 18:24:50 GMT
I would think onion that managers hate being questioned or criticized by fellow managers. If Hodgson believes his judgement is being questioned publicly then he's likely to stick with his decision, rather than be seen to give in to pressure from Ryan's club.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 18:27:16 GMT
I would think onion that managers hate being questioned or criticized by fellow managers. If Hodgson believes his judgement is being questioned publicly then he's likely to stick with his decision, rather than be seen to give in to pressure from Ryan's club. Like I said, it's irrelevant. Ryan won't get another cap while Hodgson is manager.
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