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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2014 21:07:12 GMT
It's clear Woy would chop his left bollock off than call up Wyan with this latest squad he's picked. It's an absolute insult.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 2, 2014 21:13:59 GMT
Geoff321...I didn't agree with your inane uninformed ramblings about Tony Pulis' Stoke City. I rarely agree with your thoughts on any subject and I definitely don't agree with your attempted sorry defence of Woy Hodgson here. Ryan's non selection is an absolute travesty and it matters enormously because he is desperate to play for England and his continued ommission is one thing that jeopardises the potential for him to spend his entire career with us. He could have left several times already and hasn't. If he continues to be overlooked, what's to say he won't move on in the hope that the move helps him achieve his footballing dreams? That won't bother you in the slightest because you aren't a Stoke City fan but it bothers the rest of us because we are. All of which begs the question...why are you even here. Being the 2nd biggest fan of Potteries Football (Mr Rudges favourite non commital line when questioned on his local allegiances), why don't you disappear and offer your dispassionate views elsewhere? so he's not even a Stoke supporter??!! Why bother posting on here at all, I ask myself. Very weird.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 21:20:49 GMT
The difference between me and you Dave, and some others, is that I would support England with no Stoke players in the team just as I would if there were 11 Stoke players in it.
It would pay you to read what I have said about Ryan. I have never thought he was the best centre half in England but I would still like him selected for his country. My point is that there is no agenda against Ryan, just simply a manager who doesn't seem to rate him.
I don't care if you are the most die hard Stoke fan in the country, my view is just as valid as yours, perhaps on this subject more valid as I think I can see the issue without emotion and anger, something you seem to have difficulty in doing.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 2, 2014 21:28:12 GMT
The difference between me and you Dave, and some others, is that I would support England with no Stoke players in the team just as I would if there were 11 Stoke players in it. It would pay you to read what I have said about Ryan. I have never thought he was the best centre half in England but I would still like him selected for his country. My point is that there is no agenda against Ryan, just simply a manager who doesn't seem to rate him. I don't care if you are the most die hard Stoke fan in the country, my view is just as valid as yours, perhaps on this subject more valid as I think I can see the issue without emotion and anger, something you seem to have difficulty in doing. I don't seem to remember there being any Stoke players being in the England team when I was travelling around Europe watching them. You are entitled to you're views but you should share them on an England messageboard, a Vale one or a general football supporters board. You don't support Stoke City. You don't watch Ryan regularly and it doesn't bother you in the slightest that the best English centre half available to England isn't selected because you don't even know how good he is. You're views on a player you don't watch regularly are completely invalid, hence again, I ask, why bother even being here?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2014 21:29:27 GMT
Woy has been a dreadful manager for England, nothing more, nothing less. He should have been sacked after the Euro's. God only knows why he wasn't sacked after the World Cup. He's a sniveling toad. Once again Geoff my good man, you're way off it on this on one!
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 21:30:34 GMT
So tell me how YOU judge other England players who you don't see on a regular basis.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 21:35:27 GMT
So Roy is a sniveling toad bayern, well I'm glad to see your 67,753 post was of high quality.
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Post by foster on Oct 2, 2014 21:36:03 GMT
On a side note,the fact that statistically Ryanis better than the other England CBs AND is consistently up there in the fantasy teams as one of the beat defenders in the league must have non Stoke supporters wondering why he's being overlooked?
Well, those that give a shit about England I mean.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 21:39:24 GMT
I hope you are going to reply Dave to the question, how do you judge other England players you don't watch.
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Post by foster on Oct 2, 2014 21:39:32 GMT
Geoff, there has to be an agenda. All the stats say so, and stats don't lie.
And stats aside, he's a leader with far more experience than some of these other younger players that cockface has selected.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 2, 2014 21:39:40 GMT
So tell me how YOU judge other England players who you don't see on a regular basis. I judge them quite easily because I see them at least twice per season (and have done for 6 seasons now) when they play Stoke City and Shawcross should have been in the England squad challenging for a starting position several years ago. I judge players by watching them in the flesh, be it against Stoke City or for England (though granted it is probably 2 years since I last went to an England game). Perhaps you should try it yourself sometime! Over the last 3 seasons England have used Lescott, Caulker, Stones, Smalling, Cahill, Jones, Jagielka and god knows who else. Ryan is better than all of them. He can do everything they can do with the ball (perhaps not as much as Jones who is more a midfield player than centre half in my opinion) but he can defend as well, which as a defender, I would have thought, is pretty important. If you're an England supporter that should rile you. It riles me double as both a Stoke and England fan because England would be a better side with Ryan in it.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 2, 2014 21:41:37 GMT
It's clear Woy would chop his left bollock off than call up Wyan with this latest squad he's picked. It's an absolute insult. It does seem a bit of a very direct insult, but beyond that it's an insult to practically every single centre-back currently plying their trade. He's picked a 21 man squad. 21 players out of 23. He's elected to go into the international break with three centre backs because there are no other English centre-backs. He could have picked anybody, absolutely anybody, so long as they were English. Instead, he's told every English centre back who isn't Jagielka, Cahill or Stones that he'd rather not bother at all than give them a chance. For this alone I'd sack him.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 2, 2014 21:41:59 GMT
I hope you are going to reply Dave to the question, how do you judge other England players you don't watch. Why wouldn't I given that I watch them?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 21:42:00 GMT
I hope you are going to reply Dave to the question, how do you judge other England players you don't watch. You're asking someone to reply to a question? Don't know how you fucking dare geoff, you've swerved 100's of questions on here from posters in the past.........
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2014 21:42:02 GMT
So Roy is a sniveling toad bayern, well I'm glad to see your 67,753 post was of high quality. He's an absolute bellend but sniveling toad portrays his demeanour beautifully I think. Just look at him, his face is just odious and his actions are those of an absolute rat. A rat who's day in football has long gone. Awful manager.
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Post by foster on Oct 2, 2014 21:42:35 GMT
So tell me how YOU judge other England players who you don't see on a regular basis. I judge them quite easily because I see them at least twice per season (and have done for 6 seasons now) when they play Stoke City and Shawcross should have been in the England squad challenging for a starting position several years ago. I judge players by watching them in the flesh, be it against Stoke City or for England (though granted it is probably 2 years since I last went to an England game). Perhaps you should try it yourself sometime! Over the last 3 seasons England have used Lescott, Caulker, Stones, Smalling, Cahill, Jones, Jagielka and god knows who else. Ryan is better than all of them. He can do everything they can do with the ball (perhaps not as much as Jones who is more a midfield player than centre half in my opinion) but he can defend as well, which as a defender, I would have thought, is pretty important. If you're an England supporter that should rile you. It riles me double as both a Stoke and England fan because England would be a better side with Ryan in it. Ryan's not so good technically with the ball at his feetas some of those you've mentioned but as you say, he's certainly better as a defender. Plus, England are hardly Barcelona are they.
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 2, 2014 21:42:50 GMT
I truly believe that Woy the demented is under pressure from the likes of jack bucketsofshit to keep Ryan out if the squad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 21:44:23 GMT
So Roy is a sniveling toad bayern, well I'm glad to see your 67,753 post was of high quality. He's an absolute bellend but sniveling toad portrays his demeanour beautifully I think. Just look at him, his face is just odious and his actions are those of an absolute rat. A rat who's day in football has long gone. Awful manager. Your 67,755th post was a thing of great beauty.
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Post by foster on Oct 2, 2014 21:45:43 GMT
Just to summarise the 4 pages so far, I think it's safe to say that the unanimous verdict is that Roy's a total cunt.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2014 21:46:17 GMT
He's an absolute bellend but sniveling toad portrays his demeanour beautifully I think. Just look at him, his face is just odious and his actions are those of an absolute rat. A rat who's day in football has long gone. Awful manager. Your 67,755th post was a thing of great beauty. I thought so.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 2, 2014 21:47:44 GMT
I judge them quite easily because I see them at least twice per season (and have done for 6 seasons now) when they play Stoke City and Shawcross should have been in the England squad challenging for a starting position several years ago. I judge players by watching them in the flesh, be it against Stoke City or for England (though granted it is probably 2 years since I last went to an England game). Perhaps you should try it yourself sometime! Over the last 3 seasons England have used Lescott, Caulker, Stones, Smalling, Cahill, Jones, Jagielka and god knows who else. Ryan is better than all of them. He can do everything they can do with the ball (perhaps not as much as Jones who is more a midfield player than centre half in my opinion) but he can defend as well, which as a defender, I would have thought, is pretty important. If you're an England supporter that should rile you. It riles me double as both a Stoke and England fan because England would be a better side with Ryan in it. Ryan's not so good technically with the ball at his feetas some of those you've mentioned but as you say, he's certainly better as a defender. Plus, England are hardly Barcelona are they. What do they do that Ryan doesn't? In the last England game I watched at Wembley, I sat bewildered as I watched Cahill pass it inexplicably to a Chile forward and then compound his error by tackling his own left back as Sanchez (I think) ran through to score. I've never seen such technical qualities in Ryan and Cahill is supposedly England's answer to Beckenbeur. ;-)
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Post by onionman on Oct 2, 2014 21:50:34 GMT
Geoff! Geoff! Geoff!
You didn't answer my question!
I'd like to know how you think Mark Hughes can be damaging Ryan's England chances by speaking publicly in a way that might offend Roy, yet maintain that Roy has no agenda and only picks players purely on ability and form.
Come on, Geoff, I'm confused, help me out, please!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 21:50:43 GMT
So tell me how YOU judge other England players who you don't see on a regular basis. I judge them quite easily because I see them at least twice per season (and have done for 6 seasons now) when they play Stoke City and Shawcross should have been in the England squad challenging for a starting position several years ago. I judge players by watching them in the flesh, be it against Stoke City or for England (though granted it is probably 2 years since I last went to an England game). Perhaps you should try it yourself sometime! Over the last 3 seasons England have used Lescott, Caulker, Stones, Smalling, Cahill, Jones, Jagielka and god knows who else. Ryan is better than all of them. He can do everything they can do with the ball (perhaps not as much as Jones who is more a midfield player than centre half in my opinion) but he can defend as well, which as a defender, I would have thought, is pretty important. If you're an England supporter that should rile you. It riles me double as both a Stoke and England fan because England would be a better side with Ryan in it. Amen!!
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Post by foster on Oct 2, 2014 21:50:55 GMT
Ryan's not so good technically with the ball at his feetas some of those you've mentioned but as you say, he's certainly better as a defender. Plus, England are hardly Barcelona are they. What do they do that Ryan doesn't? In the last England game I watched at Wembley, I sat bewildered as I watched Cahill pass it inexplicably to a Chile forward and then compound his error by tackling his own left back as Sanchez (I think) ran through to score. I've never seen such technical qualities in Ryan and Cahill is supposedly England's answer to Beckenbeur. ;-) That's what I mean by my Barca comment. It's not as if we're a team that dominate possession and pass it around for 90 minutes. Hence, more reason to bring in a no frills do your fucking job defender.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 21:51:20 GMT
You have no better knowledge of those England players than I have. Regarding Ryan you cannot give an unbiased opinion because you are a dedicated fan. If your view of Ryan was totally accurate it would be shared by many thousands of England fans pleading for his inclusion, there is no such call going out.
I would love to see Ryan Shawcross in the England team, firstly as a tribute to the hard work of Tony Pulis and Mark Hughes in his development, secondly as an honour to the club and city of Stoke on Trent and thirdly because so many Stoke fans prey for it to happen.
My involvement in this thread is purely to point out that I see no agenda against Ryan just a manager who doesn't rate him that highly.
Regarding Hodgson, he would not have been my choice, but as long as he's there I will support England, because that's my country, shame on anyone calling for the team to lose.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 21:59:35 GMT
Stoke fans' views of Ryan are far more informed and accurate than anyone who judges him solely on what they see on MotD or lately BT Sports where they've done a completely biased and shocking hatchet job on him. And let's face it, that's all Hodgson's bothered to see of him since that Sweden game.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 2, 2014 22:01:07 GMT
You have no better knowledge of those England players than I have. Regarding Ryan you cannot give an unbiased opinion because you are a dedicated fan. If your view of Ryan was totally accurate it would be shared by many thousands of England fans pleading for his inclusion, there is no such call going out. I would love to see Ryan Shawcross in the England team, firstly as a tribute to the hard work of Tony Pulis and Mark Hughes in his development, secondly as an honour to the club and city of Stoke on Trent and thirdly because so many Stoke fans prey for it to happen. My involvement in this thread is purely to point out that I see no agenda against Ryan just a manager who doesn't rate him that highly. Regarding Hodgson, he would not have been my choice, but as long as he's there I will support England, because that's my country, shame on anyone calling for the team to lose. My view, biased or otherwise, is based on watching games and players LIVE. Yours is based on echoing what the likes of Andy Townsend and John Motson babble on about it. If you wouldn't have had Hodgson in the first place how can you even attempt to defend him? What's he done to suggest your original view was wrong? Perversely I thought Hodgson was a good choice and was a pragmatic type of manager who would recognise our shortcomings, get us organised, well drilled and who would place value on defenders who can defend. Sadly I was wrong. Woy is a baffoon who is scared of his own shadow and incapable of picking anyone on merit in case it upsets the media, who having hounded out managers with far better records than his, seem to be doing a great job of keeping him in a job.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2014 22:01:39 GMT
I am renowned for backing every Stoke player blindly and thinking they're good enough for international football, so you've got me here Geoff. You really have.
Scurries off to a Marc Wilson thread.....
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Post by onionman on Oct 2, 2014 22:08:40 GMT
You have no better knowledge of those England players than I have. Regarding Ryan you cannot give an unbiased opinion because you are a dedicated fan. If your view of Ryan was totally accurate it would be shared by many thousands of England fans pleading for his inclusion, there is no such call going out. I would love to see Ryan Shawcross in the England team, firstly as a tribute to the hard work of Tony Pulis and Mark Hughes in his development, secondly as an honour to the club and city of Stoke on Trent and thirdly because so many Stoke fans prey for it to happen. My involvement in this thread is purely to point out that I see no agenda against Ryan just a manager who doesn't rate him that highly. Regarding Hodgson, he would not have been my choice, but as long as he's there I will support England, because that's my country, shame on anyone calling for the team to lose. My view, biased or otherwise, is based on watching games and players LIVE. Yours is based on echoing what the likes of Andy Townsend and John Motson babble on about it. If you wouldn't have had Hodgson in the first place how can you even attempt to defend him? What's he done to suggest your original view was wrong? Perversely I thought Hodgson was a good choice and was a pragmatic type of manager who would recognise our shortcomings, get us organised, well drilled and who would place value on defenders who can defend. Sadly I was wrong. Woy is a baffoon who is scared of his own shadow and incapable of picking anyone on merit in case it upsets the media, who having hounded out managers with far better records than his, seem to be doing a great job of keeping him in a job. Hit the nail on the head in the last paragraph, Dave. Everything Hodgson has done, since day one, has been with the aim of keeping the media happy, and that includes refusing to select a bloke the media despise. It's an approach which has kept him in the job, despite a performance level that only justifies being fired. He's cowardly and self-serving.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 2, 2014 22:10:15 GMT
You have no better knowledge of those England players than I have. Regarding Ryan you cannot give an unbiased opinion because you are a dedicated fan. If your view of Ryan was totally accurate it would be shared by many thousands of England fans pleading for his inclusion, there is no such call going out. I would love to see Ryan Shawcross in the England team, firstly as a tribute to the hard work of Tony Pulis and Mark Hughes in his development, secondly as an honour to the club and city of Stoke on Trent and thirdly because so many Stoke fans prey for it to happen. My involvement in this thread is purely to point out that I see no agenda against Ryan just a manager who doesn't rate him that highly. Regarding Hodgson, he would not have been my choice, but as long as he's there I will support England, because that's my country, shame on anyone calling for the team to lose. Shame on anyone that wants them to lose>>???????? I dont feel shame at all ....I dont feel ANYTHING for that lot.....ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Theyve got a LOT of brownie points to make up to have ANY credibility amongst a heck of a lot of people in this country I reckon. Sorry geoff but thats poor form fella. Really poor.
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