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Post by Pugsley on Oct 2, 2014 18:27:57 GMT
Hodgson should have been sacked after the WC debacle. Give the job to Gary Neville 100% agree that he should of lost his job. People can talk about the lack of available quality but what about the suicidal tactics he employed? I find it incredible that the press haven't picked up on this managers' shocking performance. He really is the luckiest bloke alive. There is always something else going on that deflects from the shambles he presides over.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 18:29:32 GMT
100% agree that he should of lost his job. People can talk about the lack of available quality but what about the suicidal tactics he employed? I find it incredible that the press haven't picked up on this managers' shocking performance. He really is the luckiest bloke alive. There is always something else going on that deflects from his shambolic performance. The press have decided that because there's nobody else, he's a nice bloke and the fans clapped him after the Costa Rica game that they're standing by him. Utterly bizarre.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 18:34:55 GMT
I'm not on here to defend Hodgson, other than to say those people who always look to the manager for the National sides failure divert the attention from the real problems in English football.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 18:37:18 GMT
I'm not on here to defend Hodgson, other than to say those people who always look to the manager for the National sides failure divert the attention from the real problems in English football. I don't think anybody is doing that. Irrespective of who is and isn't picked his tactics during the World Cup were a sackable offence.
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Post by steakandchips on Oct 2, 2014 18:38:35 GMT
I find it incredible that the press haven't picked up on this managers' shocking performance. He really is the luckiest bloke alive. There is always something else going on that deflects from his shambolic performance. The press have decided that because there's nobody else, he's a nice bloke and the fans clapped him after the Costa Rica game that they're standing by him. Utterly bizarre. I was amazed he got the job in the first place, what exactly has he done to qualify him for the job? I was completely unamazed at our 'performance' at the WC and he should have gone as a result. The FA had the chance of a fresh start, senior players retiring, a change of direction was needed, and the FA bottled it.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 18:40:21 GMT
The press have decided that because there's nobody else, he's a nice bloke and the fans clapped him after the Costa Rica game that they're standing by him. Utterly bizarre. I was amazed he got the job in the first place, what exactly has he done to qualify him for the job? I was completely unamazed at our 'performance' at the WC and he should have gone as a result. The FA had the chance of a fresh start, senior players retiring, a change of direction was needed, and the FA bottled it. I can't be arsed to trawl through but I remember posting on here in absolute disgust that he'd been appointed. Nothing since has really surprised me.
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Post by dave1975 on Oct 2, 2014 18:43:51 GMT
One of the things that leads me to believe that Ryan will never get another call up under woy is the glaring non comments from the media, the fact that they comment on other players or situations but not Ryan when there's only 6 defenders in the squad shows woy will not bend on the subject
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Post by Ayupshag on Oct 2, 2014 18:46:05 GMT
Fuck Hodgson and fuck England. Ryan plays for Stoke City and that's all any of us should care about
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 18:46:58 GMT
Good grief, does anyone seriously think England have the best players in the World, or even in Europe, or for that matter in the PL.
Open you eyes and see that PL clubs are full of foreign players, how many English players turn out for Stoke for instance.
We can't do well in major tournaments without the players, virtually everyone on this board has been slagging off English players and yet they expect the manager to take us through to the quarter finals at least of every tournament, it's not going to happen.
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Post by wuzza on Oct 2, 2014 18:49:29 GMT
Is Neville completely ignored on this issue or does he not speak as highly of Ryan in private as he does on the box? You would have thought even an idiot of Woy's calibre would have been inclined to listen to a time-served international defender who is touted as being the best football pundit in the business!
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 2, 2014 18:53:38 GMT
I understand what Geoff is saying, I think. He's saying Hodgson doesn't rate him. He's not saying he agrees with that assessment. He is also saying that he knows what Hodgson is thinking which is either bollocks or he knows him personally...........I know which one of those options I am choosing. G321 is obtuse without fail. Shawcross should be in the squad quite clearly and his stats would back this up. Hodgson has an agenda and it's not only to get the best team out possible on any given team it appears. Hodgson is a boring arsehole end-of
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 2, 2014 18:57:28 GMT
I would think onion that managers hate being questioned or criticized by fellow managers. If Hodgson believes his judgement is being questioned publicly then he's likely to stick with his decision, rather than be seen to give in to pressure from Ryan's club. So not only is he pedantic, boring and unimaginative, but he's also arrogant and has an inability to confront potential mistakes.......
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 18:58:41 GMT
Good grief, does anyone seriously think England have the best players in the World, or even in Europe, or for that matter in the PL. Open you eyes and see that PL clubs are full of foreign players, how many English players turn out for Stoke for instance. We can't do well in major tournaments without the players, virtually everyone on this board has been slagging off English players and yet they expect the manager to take us through to the quarter finals at least of every tournament, it's not going to happen. Who on here has even remotely suggested that, Geoff which makes me wonder why you would even say it? By declaring some outlandish statement to justify your point doesn't actually work if nobody actually thinks that way. People think Hodgson is tactically clueless and picks players on reputation rather than form. Can't see much to argue with there myself.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 19:08:49 GMT
Clearly Jamo a guy who takes Fulham to their highest ever PL placing, reaches the quarter final of the F.A.Cup and then reaches a European final, is bound to be tactically clueless, then again you've got form on this sort of topic haven't you?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 19:10:00 GMT
Clearly Jamo a guy who takes Fulham to their highest ever PL placing, reaches the quarter final of the F.A.Cup and then reaches a European final, is bound to be tactically clueless, then again you've got form on this sort of topic haven't you? We're judging him on what he does for England, which isn't much.
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Post by steakandchips on Oct 2, 2014 19:13:07 GMT
Clearly Jamo a guy who takes Fulham to their highest ever PL placing, reaches the quarter final of the F.A.Cup and then reaches a European final, is bound to be tactically clueless, then again you've got form on this sort of topic haven't you? We're judging him on what he does for England, which isn't much. Went well at Liverpool too didn't it.....
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 19:18:05 GMT
I could give you the name of a manager chips who did well at International level and not well at a big PL club, perhaps you think managers are never allowed to have a failure on their C.V.
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Post by thestatusquo on Oct 2, 2014 19:19:13 GMT
Clearly Jamo a guy who takes Fulham to their highest ever PL placing, reaches the quarter final of the F.A.Cup and then reaches a European final, is bound to be tactically clueless, then again you've got form on this sort of topic haven't you? He can't handle expectation Geoff. There was none at Fulham. At Liverpool there's plenty, he was exposed and they got shot sharpish. There's even more with the England job and that isn't going to well is it. He's won very little when you look at his record.
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Post by redrob on Oct 2, 2014 19:19:16 GMT
If I was Ryan I'd be temped to tell Roy and England to fuck off and announce that he's making himself available for wales, he'd walk into the side and would end his career on 50+ caps.
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Post by jeycov on Oct 2, 2014 19:20:45 GMT
"I was surprised he hasn't really had a look in since the Sweden game when he had a brief appearance," Hughes griped. "Since I've come here, he's been arguably our best player. "He's got a lot of experience. If you look at the England squad there's not a great deal of senior leadership with the loss of Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard. "We've got a young man with 200-odd games and a captain who can bring leadership qualities to the squad. "My view is he deserves another look. "Not to name names, but if you look at the Everton side at the moment they are not defending as they would like and three of their defenders are in the squad. "There's a case for current form and for players doing well to have an opportunity." MH making some very good points(not sure about the Everton comments), re selecting players on merit. Many previous posts have / are questioning the selection of some of our own players, e.g. Whelan, Wilson, but fair play to Mark, he has selected them on merit. More recently Muniesa kept his place at LB for the Newcastle game.- the message is clear that good performances will be rewarded. Despite Ramsay being in the Welsh squad, (he is an excellent player), I would advise Ryan to turn his attention to Wales. Our Irish contingent get to play international football, maybe it's something for MH and Ryan to consider? EDIT Redrob - beat me to it - its a serious consideration
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 19:22:38 GMT
Clearly Jamo a guy who takes Fulham to their highest ever PL placing, reaches the quarter final of the F.A.Cup and then reaches a European final, is bound to be tactically clueless, then again you've got form on this sort of topic haven't you? Being right you mean?
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Post by onionman on Oct 2, 2014 19:24:32 GMT
I would think onion that managers hate being questioned or criticized by fellow managers. If Hodgson believes his judgement is being questioned publicly then he's likely to stick with his decision, rather than be seen to give in to pressure from Ryan's club. Who knows, maybe he overlooked Dyer again for that reason. However if that's how he makes his decisions, then it flies in the face of the suggestion that he picks players purely based on ability and form, without any agenda, doesn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 19:29:10 GMT
Well done LMH about time somebody told the fuckwit how it is.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 2, 2014 19:29:21 GMT
If Ryan is English, why would he want to play for Wales?
You either play for your country or support it because you are proud to be English, yet we have posters wanting England to lose and telling players to play for another National side.
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Post by Ayupshag on Oct 2, 2014 19:31:57 GMT
I know a current prem player who's played under Hodgson and he says all he ever talks about to players is what he achieved when he was managing abroad earlier in his career. "When I was manager here" "When we won this" etc. Even players think he's a tit so who are we to disprove them????
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 19:33:47 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 2, 2014 19:36:40 GMT
Clever words from Hughes
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Post by Clem Fandango on Oct 2, 2014 20:27:58 GMT
If Ryan is English, why would he want to play for Wales? You either play for your country or support it because you are proud to be English, yet we have posters wanting England to lose and telling players to play for another National side. The problem is the England team at present does not make me feel proud to be English. Selections like this one by Woy lead me to feel that the national team isn't picked on merit like it should be but for some other reason. I also find it very difficult to get behind messrs Rooney and Wilshere who I feel have long under performed in England shirts yet continue to get picked like its some sort of divine right.
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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 2, 2014 20:49:06 GMT
I find myself agreeing with Geoff on this one.
1. England don't have that many good players to select from, possibly due to the number of foreign players in our top league.
2. Whatever our opinion of Ryan, woy doesn't share it and obviously doesn't think he is good enough. Woy is wrong but it's his decision.
3. Woy does have an excellent record both domestically and internationally. I don't rate him but at present I am in a minority.
Not how I would want it to be but that is how it is.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 2, 2014 21:01:38 GMT
Geoff321...I didn't agree with your inane uninformed ramblings about Tony Pulis' Stoke City.
I rarely agree with your thoughts on any subject and I definitely don't agree with your attempted sorry defence of Woy Hodgson here.
Ryan's non selection is an absolute travesty and it matters enormously because he is desperate to play for England and his continued ommission is one thing that jeopardises the potential for him to spend his entire career with us.
He could have left several times already and hasn't. If he continues to be overlooked, what's to say he won't move on in the hope that the move helps him achieve his footballing dreams?
That won't bother you in the slightest because you aren't a Stoke City fan but it bothers the rest of us because we are.
All of which begs the question...why are you even here. Being the 2nd biggest fan of Potteries Football (Mr Rudges favourite non commital line when questioned on his local allegiances), why don't you disappear and offer your dispassionate views elsewhere?
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