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Post by Northy on Oct 3, 2014 4:53:32 GMT
I do hope that no Stoke fan is seen at an England match whilst Woy is in charge. Hodgson out! Most Childish post on the thread? Sorry bexhill but it's a bit like 'I'm taking my ball home as I don't like you lot anymore' Just because you don't agree with the squad selection, Stoke fans shouldn't go an watch their country?
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Post by wuzza on Oct 3, 2014 6:44:34 GMT
You could argue 'their country' shows little or no respect for them in either football or bigger picture terms but thats another arguement.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 3, 2014 7:04:12 GMT
It would be nice to hear Ryan's views on the matter.
He should start becoming a media whore and slagging Hodgson off, at least it might make Hodgson remember he still plays football.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 3, 2014 7:09:01 GMT
It would be nice to hear Ryan's views on the matter. He should start becoming a media whore and slagging Hodgson off, at least it might make Hodgson remember he still plays football. Would be nice to hear HODGSON'S view on the matter.... Giving an explanation on why he continuously overlooks Ryan!!!
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Post by Stokie Mcpot on Oct 3, 2014 7:09:30 GMT
I do hope that no Stoke fan is seen at an England match whilst Woy is in charge. Hodgson out! Most Childish post on the thread? Sorry bexhill but it's a bit like 'I'm taking my ball home as I don't like you lot anymore' Just because you don't agree with the squad selection, Stoke fans shouldn't go an watch their country? Personally I think any motivation to not go and watch England play should come from the fact that they're absolute dog piss and not worth the money
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Post by apb1 on Oct 3, 2014 7:24:51 GMT
Ryan should have pulled on the shirt v San Marino (I think it was them we played just before Sweden) to get him used to things, or even as a starter v Sweden. I don't think it's paranoid to suggest that Hodgson did all he could to make his debut as uncomfortable as possible.
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Post by jarhead on Oct 3, 2014 7:29:59 GMT
Should he really have been there? He's a wanker but he has a scouting team and a tv (with player Cam) I assume. Of course he should. He's paid £3.5million a year. £60k/week. When England haven't a match pretty much his only job is to watch football matches. If he can't be bothered to come and see the only Premier League match on then WTF is he getting paid for? Really? Just because it's on Sky should have no bearing on the decision anyway. He can watch every game he wants anyway (Sky can surely provide him the full unedited coverage of every Premier League game if he wants). When you're checking out players you need to see them live - watch their positioning, how switched on they are all the time - not just when the camera's on them. Roy could have seen how Ryan and Williamson are doing, but no he couldn't be bothered. Couldn't be bothered to even turn up for work and earn that nearly £10,000 that would have been paid by the FA to him for that day's work. Shocking. Spot on
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 3, 2014 7:45:45 GMT
90% of fans feel that about Ryan because of the media coverage. How often does Ramsey get mentioned when Ryan is being talked about? How often do they focus on any holding that Ryan does (he's no worse than many centre-halves but the media ignore them)?I expect the England manager to have a mind of his own. Make decision based on his own views. Roy just follows the media steer. i love Ryan to bits but that mate is just utter rubbish!!! we, ourselves, have had many many threads over the last few years specifically saying how much Ryan and huth got away with it and it'd cost us at some point. most other defenders will get in people's way but physically wrestling them after the ball has been put into play just ISN'T something that most other defenders do at all and certainly not to the extent that Ryan does it....i know we're all Stoke fans but that doesn't mean we have to just blatantly lie about things in order to defend our own players! P.S. when Ramsey is mentioned then "The tackle" quite often gets talked about (usually without actually mentioning Ryan's name) but it's very very very rare nowadays that anyone brings up that tackle when Ryan is the subject matter of the conversation or article....again, something that Stoke fans like to drag up as an excuse as and when it suits despite it just not being true. Goes to show how influential television coverage has become. In the QPR game BT sport repeatedly highlighted Ryan prior to all corners and it was totally out of context. When the corner was delivered there was no wrestling. I have no doubt whatsoever that if there had been a hint of a foul when the ball was in play Twatkinson would have been quick to give the penalty. As it is in 6 full seasons in the Premier League I can't recall Ryan conceding a penalty in these circumstances which is pretty amazing considering how often he is alleged to do it.
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Post by edinburghstoke on Oct 3, 2014 8:51:49 GMT
i love Ryan to bits but that mate is just utter rubbish!!! we, ourselves, have had many many threads over the last few years specifically saying how much Ryan and huth got away with it and it'd cost us at some point. most other defenders will get in people's way but physically wrestling them after the ball has been put into play just ISN'T something that most other defenders do at all and certainly not to the extent that Ryan does it....i know we're all Stoke fans but that doesn't mean we have to just blatantly lie about things in order to defend our own players! P.S. when Ramsey is mentioned then "The tackle" quite often gets talked about (usually without actually mentioning Ryan's name) but it's very very very rare nowadays that anyone brings up that tackle when Ryan is the subject matter of the conversation or article....again, something that Stoke fans like to drag up as an excuse as and when it suits despite it just not being true. Goes to show how influential television coverage has become. In the QPR game BT sport repeatedly highlighted Ryan prior to all corners and it was totally out of context. When the corner was delivered there was no wrestling. I have no doubt whatsoever that if there had been a hint of a foul when the ball was in play Twatkinson would have been quick to give the penalty. As it is in 6 full seasons in the Premier League I can't recall Ryan conceding a penalty in these circumstances which is pretty amazing considering how often he is alleged to do it. Spot on. The cameras kept highlighting it, the QPR fans kept moaning about it, the commentator kept saying he will give away a penalty one day...and yet it never happened and most likely never will. Just like it never happened when generations of Italian defenders did it. It's the dark art of defending and Ryan does it very well.
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Post by malisastokie on Oct 3, 2014 9:29:21 GMT
Sorry if there has been a thread on this subject, but this squad is awful.
All goalkeepers are capable of a howler !
Defenders we'll I am at loss that Ryan can't get a gig in amongst that lot.
midfielders probably not shabby.
forwards 3 only and one has played very limited football this season, one might get sent off and the other is in good form.
is it Roy has got it horribly wrong or it's the best of a bad lot or have I got it horribly wrong
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 3, 2014 10:12:59 GMT
I know just how much it means to Ryan to represent England as it's a burning ambition of his to do just that. I know too just how gutted he was after that game against Sweden and that he himself didn't want to come on with just 17 fucking minutes left. One thing I did tell him was to just concentrate on what you do best which is looking after your family and playing football. Gutted for the lad as that bumbling buffoon screw faced wanker continues to hang him out to dry. How the fcuk he's still in a job is absolutely fcuking criminal. If I ever saw the twat I'd give him a fcuking mouthful, the useless piece of shit. Spot on, Taz. This is a lad desperate to represent his country and not just use it to increase his standing (and salary) in the game.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 3, 2014 10:28:44 GMT
It would be nice to hear Ryan's views on the matter. He should start becoming a media whore and slagging Hodgson off, at least it might make Hodgson remember he still plays football. I'm pretty sure his view would be: wants to play for England Frustrated by the lack of opportunity Will continue to work hard for the chance. If he came out with his real view on the way he's been treated then I'm sure that would destroy any remote possibility of him ever playing. I know there's been talk of him playing for Wales, maybe he's just too proud an Englishman to do that?
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Post by Davef on Oct 3, 2014 10:36:24 GMT
Ryan has come out in the press a couple of times and said he has no interest in playing for Wales.
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Post by greyman on Oct 3, 2014 10:42:12 GMT
I do hope that no Stoke fan is seen at an England match whilst Woy is in charge. Hodgson out! Most Childish post on the thread? Sorry bexhill but it's a bit like 'I'm taking my ball home as I don't like you lot anymore' Just because you don't agree with the squad selection, Stoke fans shouldn't go an watch their country? I was already disillusioned with England and realised during the World Cup that I no longer care what they do. This situation with Shawcross has just cemented that view. Hodgson could easily have picked Ryan (or Curtis Davies) for the squad because he had the places and because they have proven to be better defenders than the likes of Chris Smalling, but chose to let them know he thinks they aren't even good enough to sit on the bench. Given the calamitous form of England recently and the mediocre opposition we are up against in this qualifying group, that just shows what a prick the bloke is. Fuck him and everybody to do with the England setup. If he ever deigns to come to watch a Stoke game, I hope he is given dog's abuse.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 3, 2014 12:06:27 GMT
Ryan has come out in the press a couple of times and said he has no interest in playing for Wales. Exactly, Dave. He genuinely WANTS to play for his country unlike many of the arseholes that view it as a pay day.
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Post by coates on Oct 3, 2014 12:22:24 GMT
It is an agenda against stoke and Shawcross iam sure of it, thanks alot wenger you tosser.
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Post by kingdongstwin on Oct 3, 2014 12:28:33 GMT
To the tune of world in his hands:
We've got the best centre back in the league, We've got the best centre back in the league, We've got the best centre back in the league, Hodgson is a cunt
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Post by Davef on Oct 3, 2014 12:31:46 GMT
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Post by onionman on Oct 3, 2014 12:56:53 GMT
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Post by tazi on Oct 3, 2014 13:11:32 GMT
Not sure anymore if it'd be a good thing for Ryan to get called up for England due to the unwanted/unjustified pressure that he'd be up against straight from the off.
No one should ever ever find themselves under the kind of pressure that he'd undoubtedly feel, no one.
It has been handled as an absolute farce.
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Post by slpmarc on Oct 3, 2014 13:20:21 GMT
Ryan has come out in the press a couple of times and said he has no interest in playing for Wales. As he has already played for England he cannot now play for Wales
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 3, 2014 13:28:26 GMT
Ryan has come out in the press a couple of times and said he has no interest in playing for Wales. As he has already played for England he cannot now play for Wales Does it count as it's only a friendly?
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Post by Davef on Oct 3, 2014 13:45:38 GMT
Friendly matches don't count for eligibility.
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Post by thebet365 on Oct 3, 2014 14:34:35 GMT
Ryan has come out in the press a couple of times and said he has no interest in playing for Wales. As he has already played for England he cannot now play for Wales I'm surprised you haven't got a contact at FA HQ keeping you upto date with the latest regulations like this.
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Post by slpmarc on Oct 3, 2014 17:05:20 GMT
Friendly matches don't count for eligibility. Good point
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Post by slpmarc on Oct 3, 2014 17:06:32 GMT
As he has already played for England he cannot now play for Wales I'm surprised you haven't got a contact at FA HQ keeping you upto date with the latest regulations like this. My FA contact left last year and is now sitting on a beach in Dubai
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Post by robstokie on Oct 3, 2014 18:26:32 GMT
Firstly, it is a fucking disgrace that our captain, the best nuts and bolts defender in the land imo, is overlooked YET AGAIN, but, to be fair, I cant say im surprised, big-club/name rules at the FA. What really fucks me off is that the likes of Jagielka have been shite this season, yet they get in, no problem, plus the small fact that the fucking useless plank (who, lets remember, condemmed Blackburn to relegation at one time and couldn't hack the Bin-Dippers job for even a season) would rather name a depleted squad than call up our boy. Its fucking disgraceful.
Secondly, Ryan could indeed still play for Wales, but he still wants to force his way into the England setup (which, unfortunately, aint gonna happen unless he goes to a 'big' club). However, if he chose to switch allegiance, he would walk into the Wales team straightaway. I hope he decides to play for Wales and has a blinder the next time they face England, meaning England fail to beat them and Woy is finally given his marching orders.
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Post by Northy on Oct 3, 2014 19:23:28 GMT
Most Childish post on the thread? Sorry bexhill but it's a bit like 'I'm taking my ball home as I don't like you lot anymore' Just because you don't agree with the squad selection, Stoke fans shouldn't go an watch their country? Personally I think any motivation to not go and watch England play should come from the fact that they're absolute dog piss and not worth the money It's all about opinions though, that's yours, but the other urging all Stoke supporters to not go and watch them just because Ryan hasn't been picked is a bit childish in my opinion. Personally I'll be in Valencia and won't be going to search out a bar to watch it, I doubt it will be on anyway
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 3, 2014 19:43:00 GMT
I read somewhere that the England players meet up between Internationals without Hodgsons presence. A sort of 'get together'. They then give him 'advice' on what team to pick. Hodgson then toes the line.
A weak manager, insipid to the core, with no redeeming features.
The sooner he fucks off the better.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 3, 2014 20:06:37 GMT
There's only one solution to this injustice and that is that the present England defenders keep conceding goals and Stoke don't. Eventually the Press will latch on and coerce Woy to pick Ryan..
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