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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 5, 2014 16:40:18 GMT
Woy wanker has his favourites,take that cunt of an England captain Rooney,Woy reckons he does not have a bad temperament, and the sending off last week is not like him at all. That's just plain ridiculous Are you seriously suggesting that a) Rooney isnt good enough for the national team and is only in because he is a favourite? b) it is good management to publicly criticise a senior member of his squad, provoking an whole media drama about his relations with his captain. Did you ever hear Ferguson criticise his players in public? To be fair Fergie did criticise Rooney quite a few times publicly. Probably not the best example... ;D
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 5, 2014 23:01:08 GMT
I don't believe it has anything to do with ramsey challenge, this is just another excuse for fans to try any add extra fuel to the fire with arsenal. His game against sweden did a lot of damage, and i cant believe people actually make the excuse that he was cold when he came on. He is an experienced player who should be switched on as soon as he walks on the pitch. If he went to a bigger club he would be straight in the team and that is how it has been for too many years. He had a chance and did not take it and every excuse in the world wont alter the fact he fucked it up. If he keeps doing what he is doing then his chance will come again, but for now he will have to wait and keep playing well consistantly. That's the most objective piece of writing I have seen on this subject on this board. It is also about what Hodgson saw in Ryan in training which may have also influenced his thinking. So it's about seeing him in training rather than seeing him competitive matches is it? People are clutching at straws trying to come up with a defendable reasons why Ryan isn't picked for England. Put simply, he's more than good enough and far better qualified then virtually all of the centre backs that Hodgson calls up. There can be no other reason than Hodgson is a fucking idiot.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 5, 2014 23:16:30 GMT
He's already said he will draft Chambers in from the U21s. I've seen Chambers a few times this season and he's absolute dog shit. He makes so many mistakes and invariably ends up pulling somebody down every game because he's out of position. He get's done more than a barely walking Huthy. He may turn into a decent defender but that's seasons away.
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Post by tuum on Oct 6, 2014 1:38:50 GMT
I personally believe that Hodgson has never rated Shawcross and he called him up reluctantly but with the aim of shutting up all the chatter. The fact that Ryan did not shine during his 20 min cameo was enough for Roy to consider himself justified in his opinion. As long as he is in charge I think Ryan is unlikely to play for England and by 2017 it will be too late. I think Hodgson is not competent to manage England. He was the wrong choice at the time and he should have been sacked after the disastrous World Cup.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 8:43:31 GMT
Given that Southgate and Hodgson go on scouting missions together, this is as close to the horses mouth as it's likely to get. I didn't see Football Focus, but that's quite a strange, nothing response. FFS, how long does he need to demonstrate this ability for? Seems that Ryan's lack of exposure to European/top level football might be a factor for them (which is why a slow introduction would have been an intelligent approach) Of course, inexperience doesn't seem to stop them selecting other players. But when do the Everton defenders get Champions League exposure? I agree. I'm just trying to unpick Southgate's words. It seems that they just view Shawcross as a bog standard Premier League player, whereas Everton's players are filed under 'top 8'. It's lazy and narrow minded.
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Post by apb1 on Oct 6, 2014 8:47:19 GMT
I personally believe that Hodgson has never rated Shawcross and he called him up reluctantly but with the aim of shutting up all the chatter. The fact that Ryan did not shine during his 20 min cameo was enough for Roy to consider himself justified in his opinion. As long as he is in charge I think Ryan is unlikely to play for England and by 2017 it will be too late. I think Hodgson is not competent to manage England. He was the wrong choice at the time and he should have been sacked after the disastrous World Cup. I would go so far as to suggest he deliberately kept him back for the Sweden game so he could maxmise the chances of a poor performance and justify not playing him again. He's a petty little shit and he's always hated us 'bullies'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 20:14:25 GMT
I don't believe it has anything to do with ramsey challenge, this is just another excuse for fans to try any add extra fuel to the fire with arsenal. His game against sweden did a lot of damage, and i cant believe people actually make the excuse that he was cold when he came on. He is an experienced player who should be switched on as soon as he walks on the pitch. If he went to a bigger club he would be straight in the team and that is how it has been for too many years. He had a chance and did not take it and every excuse in the world wont alter the fact he fucked it up. If he keeps doing what he is doing then his chance will come again, but for now he will have to wait and keep playing well consistantly. Roy listens to the media - he meets with the football press to discuss squads with them. He has clearly been influenced by some of the media's view on Ryan.
How often has Ryan been used to being a sub? He's made one sub appearance for us in the last 6 seasons. Coming on during a game is about getting up to speed quickly with the pace of the match. With where people are playing. In most positions you get a bit of time to adjust. At centre half you don't (that why centre halves are rarely changed during a match except for injury). It's not about being "experienced player who should be switched on as soon as he walks on the pitch" - that just rubbish.
He didn't get "a chance". A chance isn't 18 minutes of football. How many footballers take a few games to start performing let alone not even a quarter of a match.
He was hung out to dry against Sweden. If Hodgson was interested in seeing how he'd do then he could have started him (it was a friendly after all), or even put him on at half-time. Cahill should not have been allowed to ditch marking Ibrahimovic to throw Ryan in.
Ryan didn't cover himself in glory that night, but judging a footballer on 18 minutes of football is just prosperous. Cahill was shit that night and was responsible for several of the goals. Why hasn't he been flung in the shit bin?
Come on how can you say he was hung out to dry against sweden. They are not exactly world beaters. I don't agree with why you think centre halves don't get subbed comment. Subs are normally tactical to try and influence the game either to defend or attack. Subbing a centre halve is a pretty pointless sub to be honest as is subbing your goalkeeper.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 6, 2014 20:30:33 GMT
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Post by BuzzB on Oct 6, 2014 21:05:50 GMT
Two class players in front of him, and out of how many Premier League defenders? Take a look at that then Hodgson, not that he will.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 6, 2014 21:18:29 GMT
Phillipe Senderos is in it, sadly that voids it.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 6, 2014 23:04:20 GMT
Roy listens to the media - he meets with the football press to discuss squads with them. He has clearly been influenced by some of the media's view on Ryan.
How often has Ryan been used to being a sub? He's made one sub appearance for us in the last 6 seasons. Coming on during a game is about getting up to speed quickly with the pace of the match. With where people are playing. In most positions you get a bit of time to adjust. At centre half you don't (that why centre halves are rarely changed during a match except for injury). It's not about being "experienced player who should be switched on as soon as he walks on the pitch" - that just rubbish.
He didn't get "a chance". A chance isn't 18 minutes of football. How many footballers take a few games to start performing let alone not even a quarter of a match.
He was hung out to dry against Sweden. If Hodgson was interested in seeing how he'd do then he could have started him (it was a friendly after all), or even put him on at half-time. Cahill should not have been allowed to ditch marking Ibrahimovic to throw Ryan in.
Ryan didn't cover himself in glory that night, but judging a footballer on 18 minutes of football is just prosperous. Cahill was shit that night and was responsible for several of the goals. Why hasn't he been flung in the shit bin?
Come on how can you say he was hung out to dry against sweden. They are not exactly world beaters. I don't agree with why you think centre halves don't get subbed comment. Subs are normally tactical to try and influence the game either to defend or attack. Subbing a centre halve is a pretty pointless sub to be honest as is subbing your goalkeeper. So playing directly against an on fire Ibrahimovic wouldn't be a challenge for any centre half? Really? Being thrown on cold - not up to speed with the game and having to mark Ibrahimovic wasn't a big ask of any defender? Being given just enough time so that any mistake would be highly visible, and not sufficient time to impress. That's OK is it? So you agree with me that centre halves don't normally get subbed - but you expect Ryan to adjust immediately to a being brought on as a sub - a very rare experience for Ryans?
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Post by prem4stoke on Oct 6, 2014 23:16:55 GMT
Two class players in front of him, and out of how many Premier League defenders? Take a look at that then Hodgson, not that he will. Plus that makes him Englands top defender
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Post by tuum on Oct 7, 2014 3:03:57 GMT
Two class players in front of him, and out of how many Premier League defenders? Take a look at that then Hodgson, not that he will. Plus that makes him Englands top defender ...but, in Roy's own words, " not what I am looking for at the moment "
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 7, 2014 3:20:55 GMT
Is it that Ryan is overlooked or is it that his CB partner so far this season is utter shit and costing us and him points Where it counts?
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Post by 4kingal on Oct 7, 2014 7:15:03 GMT
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Post by Clem Fandango on Oct 7, 2014 7:20:15 GMT
Winterburn talking a crock of shit about Chambers on SSN. Apparently he reads the game exceptionally well....hmmm something tells me the number of yellow cards he's received has something to do with the fact he can't read the game.
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Post by werrington on Oct 7, 2014 11:40:34 GMT
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