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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 13:55:48 GMT
Does he though? I only say that because Hughes explained post QPR that they'd attended a meeting pre-season and you're basically allowed to hold until the ball is in play (or, more accurately, the ref won't give a penalty), and even if the ball doesn't come near you. I watched Ryan closely against Newcastle and he does seem to let go, eventually. i highly doubt the bit about the ball coming near you being a reason for it to be allowed....if you do that anywhere else on the pitch (i.e. grab onto a player and refuse to let them be a part of an attack) then it's an off the ball incident that the ref can (and regularly does) call you up on and award free kicks/give yellow cards for. i agree that you CAN hold the player before the ball is kicked and all defenders do that to ensure the player doesn't steal a march on you but Ryan almost always continue to actually bear hug the player AFTER the ball has been put into play. we can't have threads (like we did a couple of days ago)about Ryan holding people where pretty much everyone said he needs to stop it and then just forget about it because it doesn't suit the current argument going on on another thread. I think the bottom line is that some ref, somewhere, would have given a penalty against Ryan, or any other defender, if holding was something they could control. Every defender across world football does it and the game would become a farce if penalties start to be given. If it was only Ryan then they could hardly find an easier target to pin a penalty kick on - but everyone does it, so they haven't. It's filed under 'players can't touch goalkeepers' and 'goalkeepers can karate kick players at will' as unwritten laws of the game. It's not a reason why he's not picked for England. As for any anxiety about Ryan's holding, I think that's more to do with him perhaps needing to lay off until the BT Sport/QPR heat subsides. I noticed Sky cameras zoomed in on him for a Newcastle corner kick and quickly panned out when there was nothing to see.
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Post by liamo on Oct 2, 2014 13:56:19 GMT
It must royally piss Ryan off, we need Hughes to stand up and outright ask why Shawcross is being completely overlooked and ignored
England needs a cb that dominates and so far this season Ryan has done just that, he could even be captain some day if flubberchops would give him a chance
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 13:57:27 GMT
It's not going to happen with Hodgson in charge.
Sadly for Ryan, the useless twat wasn't sacked (as he should have been) after the World Cup debacle.
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Post by foster on Oct 2, 2014 14:02:39 GMT
It's blatant so I don't understand why no one has questioned it in the media.
Saying that, what's the point in moaning about it. It won't change anything and it's better for the club if he remains fit for us.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 14:04:17 GMT
It's blatant so I don't understand why no one has questioned it in the media. Saying that, what's the point in moaning about it. It won't change anything and it's better for the club if he remains fit for us. From speaking to Henry Winter it is asked behind closed doors but the Sweden game is the sole reason that keep getting brought up. They have also decided to back Hodgson as they believe him to be the only show in town which to me is bollocks.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 2, 2014 14:10:06 GMT
It's blatant so I don't understand why no one has questioned it in the media. Saying that, what's the point in moaning about it. It won't change anything and it's better for the club if he remains fit for us. Overall though he'd improve if he was involved in the England squad. We'd benefit.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 2, 2014 14:12:40 GMT
It's blatant so I don't understand why no one has questioned it in the media. Saying that, what's the point in moaning about it. It won't change anything and it's better for the club if he remains fit for us. From speaking to Henry Winter it is asked behind closed doors but the Sweden game is the sole reason that keep getting brought up. They have also decided to back Hodgson as they believe him to be the only show in town which to me is bollocks. Well if they are obsessed with an English manager who is there? Arry talked himself out of it in court.... then got QPR relegated. Bruce would be a contender I suppose. Hoddle is available but has a long memory and would he want go through that again?
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Post by jbstokie on Oct 2, 2014 14:15:17 GMT
Does anyone give a shit anymore? Hodgson clearly isn't going to pick him, England aren't going to win anything while Ryan is still playing and the squads full of overrated wankers.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 14:19:51 GMT
Look at the plethora of much better and in-form players ahead of him....
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 2, 2014 14:32:03 GMT
Hodgson is a joke, he should have been at the Brit on Monday - no excuses. If Ryan is overlooked again I hope England don't qualify, it's the only way we'll be rid of Roy. If he would have been at the Brit on Monday he would have seen that the first time Ryan was the given the responsibility to distribute the ball with loads of time to do so, he gave it straight to the opposition. Not saying he doesn't deserve a chance , just wish some people would remove the blinkers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 14:34:07 GMT
I love Shawcy and think he deserves a chance for England BUT, his holding at set pieces is a very real blight on his game. This has to be the major reason he doesn't get picked.Woy must think he's too aggressive for international football.Nothing else makes sense I'd love all Englands defenders to be struck down with some virus or whatever that means he has to call up Shawcross as the last English man standing.....and Ryan tells him to do one
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 14:34:45 GMT
Look at the plethora of much better and in-form players ahead of him.... I'd advise people to steer away from Twitter Jamo, 'erberts!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 14:37:30 GMT
Hodgson is a joke, he should have been at the Brit on Monday - no excuses. If Ryan is overlooked again I hope England don't qualify, it's the only way we'll be rid of Roy. If he would have been at the Brit on Monday he would have seen that the first time Ryan was the given the responsibility to distribute the ball with loads of time to do so, he gave it straight to the opposition. Not saying he doesn't deserve a chance , just wish some people would remove the blinkers. Did he? I thought his distribution was spot on.
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Post by onionman on Oct 2, 2014 14:40:59 GMT
Look at the plethora of much better and in-form players ahead of him.... I'd advise people to steer away from Twitter Jamo, 'erberts! Damn right, I made the mistake of clicking on Jamo's link and reading the will-to-live-sapping thoughts of an Arsenal blogger.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 14:42:51 GMT
I'd advise people to steer away from Twitter Jamo, 'erberts! Damn right, I made the mistake of clicking on Jamo's link and reading the will-to-live-sapping thoughts of an Arsenal blogger. Should have read the small print which clearly stated I can't be held responsible for the views of complete and utter oxygen thieves that also post on Twitter.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 2, 2014 14:46:56 GMT
Hodgson is a joke, he should have been at the Brit on Monday - no excuses. If Ryan is overlooked again I hope England don't qualify, it's the only way we'll be rid of Roy. If he would have been at the Brit on Monday he would have seen that the first time Ryan was the given the responsibility to distribute the ball with loads of time to do so, he gave it straight to the opposition. Not saying he doesn't deserve a chance , just wish some people would remove the blinkers.
did he balls.
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Post by jpm64 on Oct 2, 2014 14:49:30 GMT
Hodgson is a joke, he should have been at the Brit on Monday - no excuses. If Ryan is overlooked again I hope England don't qualify, it's the only way we'll be rid of Roy. If he would have been at the Brit on Monday he would have seen that the first time Ryan was the given the responsibility to distribute the ball with loads of time to do so, he gave it straight to the opposition. Not saying he doesn't deserve a chance , just wish some people would remove the blinkers. That is complete and utter nonsense !!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 14:51:56 GMT
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Post by onionman on Oct 2, 2014 15:03:41 GMT
Damn right, I made the mistake of clicking on Jamo's link and reading the will-to-live-sapping thoughts of an Arsenal blogger. Should have read the small print which clearly stated I can't be held responsible for the views of complete and utter oxygen thieves that also post on Twitter. Oh yeh, not blaming you mate, I'm annoyed with myself, I don't know what possessed me to read the first comment, which simply said Shawcross is a c***, and decide to scroll down to see what other thoughts that same person had contributed to the debate. I don't know what I thought I'd get out of that, but I did it anyway.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 15:07:29 GMT
Should have read the small print which clearly stated I can't be held responsible for the views of complete and utter oxygen thieves that also post on Twitter. Oh yeh, not blaming you mate, I'm annoyed with myself, I don't know what possessed me to read the first comment, which simply said Shawcross is a c***, and decide to scroll down to see what other thoughts that same person had contributed to the debate. I don't know what I thought I'd get out of that, but I did it anyway. Amazing how Arse fans are like moths to the flame whenever Ryan is mentioned. Fucking losers.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 2, 2014 15:14:50 GMT
Dave, I like you, and I tend to like the stuff that you write, but right now, you sound like one of those overly-patriotic flag wavers who turned up to the Queens Jubilee and loves the Royal Family because they're just so great. But you never answered his question mate ? There was nothing to answer was there? The answer is obvious. I support Stoke before England, always have.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 2, 2014 15:15:09 GMT
Dave, I like you, and I tend to like the stuff that you write, but right now, you sound like one of those overly-patriotic flag wavers who turned up to the Queens Jubilee and loves the Royal Family because they're just so great. No it doesn't. Supporting a football team does not equate to patriotism. I have thought for yonks Muniesa should be Stoke's first choice left back. When Pieters gets picked ahead of him I still want us win. I don't sulk off like a mardarse. Have I sulked?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 15:16:03 GMT
It's a shame Woy is not moonlighting as the Nigeria manager as well. It would be better for us if Moses was not in the African Cup of Nations.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Oct 2, 2014 15:18:57 GMT
If Woy should visit The Brit during the remainder of his England Managerial tenure, then can we make sure that he gets the biggest dose of vitriol ever administered since our promotion to The Premiership. He really does have something against the Club
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Post by coates on Oct 2, 2014 15:25:12 GMT
Oh yeh, not blaming you mate, I'm annoyed with myself, I don't know what possessed me to read the first comment, which simply said Shawcross is a c***, and decide to scroll down to see what other thoughts that same person had contributed to the debate. I don't know what I thought I'd get out of that, but I did it anyway. Amazing how Arse fans are like moths to the flame whenever Ryan is mentioned. Fucking losers. Il say it again a lot of fans associate ryan with tackle, if he did get called up it wouldn't be a popular choice between opposition fans. If that same incident had happened with say a west brom player, would their be the same overreaction?
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Post by metalhead on Oct 2, 2014 15:31:41 GMT
Dave, I like you, and I tend to like the stuff that you write, but right now, you sound like one of those overly-patriotic flag wavers who turned up to the Queens Jubilee and loves the Royal Family because they're just so great. No, he sounds like he's not a glory hunter and an England fan. England are shit, I won't be watching. England are amazing, come on England, never doubted you. Seems to pour out when ever this kind of thread gets started and its pathetic to see. How am I a glory hunter? I fell out of love with England a long time ago. Long before Ryan Shawcross was even a Stoke player.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 2, 2014 15:33:38 GMT
Dave, I like you, and I tend to like the stuff that you write, but right now, you sound like one of those overly-patriotic flag wavers who turned up to the Queens Jubilee and loves the Royal Family because they're just so great. as opposed to looking like a child spitting their dummy out, throwing a tantrum and refusing to support their national side because a player they like hasn't been picked you mean??? there are plenty of other sides out there who haven't had players picked for England as well, many will see some of their players in the same way we see Ryan. the difference is though that the fans of those teams on their messageboards aren't as paranoid, constantly angry with the world and small time as some on here are. Dave is COMPLETELY correct, for people to suddenly decided to not support a team (internationally or domestically) because they haven't got their own way is ridiculously fickle and childish and absolutely no better than supporting a team because they DO do exactly what people want. it's not really any different to being a gloryhunter in principle...they support teams because of success they have and no other reason; people on here will support a team only if they get what they want. pathetic really and just shows what "Real" supporters of the England team people actually are (and if they're not and don't give a shit about the national team then why is it always them who start threads about england in the first place??? ) Mick, Where did I say it had anything to do with Ryan Shawcross not being picked? I would watch England if he was picked, to watch him, however I fell out of love with the England team years ago. I haven't suddenly decided not to support England Mick, I assure you. I also didn't start this thread, I just voice my opinion that I find it hard to get motivated to watch England nowadays. It's been like that for probably 10 years.
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Post by coates on Oct 2, 2014 15:37:36 GMT
as opposed to looking like a child spitting their dummy out, throwing a tantrum and refusing to support their national side because a player they like hasn't been picked you mean??? there are plenty of other sides out there who haven't had players picked for England as well, many will see some of their players in the same way we see Ryan. the difference is though that the fans of those teams on their messageboards aren't as paranoid, constantly angry with the world and small time as some on here are. Dave is COMPLETELY correct, for people to suddenly decided to not support a team (internationally or domestically) because they haven't got their own way is ridiculously fickle and childish and absolutely no better than supporting a team because they DO do exactly what people want. it's not really any different to being a gloryhunter in principle...they support teams because of success they have and no other reason; people on here will support a team only if they get what they want. pathetic really and just shows what "Real" supporters of the England team people actually are (and if they're not and don't give a shit about the national team then why is it always them who start threads about england in the first place??? ) Mick, Where did I say it had anything to do with Ryan Shawcross not being picked? I would watch England if he was picked, to watch him, however I fell out of love with the England team years ago. I haven't suddenly decided not to support England Mick, I assure you. I also didn't start this thread, I just voice my opinion that I find it hard to get motivated to watch England nowadays. It's been like that for probably 10 years. It's hard to get excited for England games, when stoke play every goal is celebrated like a cup final goal.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 2, 2014 15:51:00 GMT
If Woy should visit The Brit during the remainder of his England Managerial tenure, then can we make sure that he gets the biggest dose of vitriol ever administered since our promotion to The Premiership. He really does have something against the Club Looking at the fixtures, Stoke V Swansea on 19th October would be the match to attend for an England manager with an ounce of integrity. Liverpool play QPR in London earlier that day. Wonder where Woy will be?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 15:51:10 GMT
I don't want Shawcross involved. That midfield is pathetic and the back four are going to be so exposed.
I don't want our captain being used as a scapegoat by the southern journo's with a Ramsey agenda.
Fuck em.
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