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Post by jpm64 on Oct 2, 2014 15:53:01 GMT
If Woy should visit The Brit during the remainder of his England Managerial tenure, then can we make sure that he gets the biggest dose of vitriol ever administered since our promotion to The Premiership. He really does have something against the Club Looking at the fixtures, Stoke V Swansea on 19th October would be the match to attend for an England manager with an ounce of integrity. Liverpool play QPR in London earlier that day. Wonder where Woy will be? Got my tickets for Southampton away the following week..... Pretty good chance we might seem him there
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Post by coates on Oct 2, 2014 15:53:12 GMT
I don't want Shawcross involved. That midfield is pathetic and the back four are going to be so exposed. I don't want our captain being used as a scapegoat by the southern journo's with a Ramsey agenda. Fuck em. That third goal scored by zlatan it was about 35 yards out, and a pea roller. Clearly a joe hart goalkeeping error, it's got nothing to do with Ryan. People want to use him as a scapegoat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 15:57:04 GMT
I'm personally glad Ryan isnt involved in the England squad. Keeps him fit for us and lets be honest can anyone remember a time when England were less popular? If that itchy faced prick can't wake up and realise who the best players are week in week out then thats his problem. Club before country any day of the week.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 15:57:31 GMT
as opposed to looking like a child spitting their dummy out, throwing a tantrum and refusing to support their national side because a player they like hasn't been picked you mean??? there are plenty of other sides out there who haven't had players picked for England as well, many will see some of their players in the same way we see Ryan. the difference is though that the fans of those teams on their messageboards aren't as paranoid, constantly angry with the world and small time as some on here are. Dave is COMPLETELY correct, for people to suddenly decided to not support a team (internationally or domestically) because they haven't got their own way is ridiculously fickle and childish and absolutely no better than supporting a team because they DO do exactly what people want. it's not really any different to being a gloryhunter in principle...they support teams because of success they have and no other reason; people on here will support a team only if they get what they want. pathetic really and just shows what "Real" supporters of the England team people actually are (and if they're not and don't give a shit about the national team then why is it always them who start threads about england in the first place??? ) Mick, Where did I say it had anything to do with Ryan Shawcross not being picked? I would watch England if he was picked, to watch him, however I fell out of love with the England team years ago. I haven't suddenly decided not to support England Mick, I assure you. I also didn't start this thread, I just voice my opinion that I find it hard to get motivated to watch England nowadays. It's been like that for probably 10 years. none of that post was aimed at you mate,more the people who come on here constantly moaning about how they hate england (being disenamoured or disinterested is fine, no issues with that and i can understand why some people are) and want them to lose simply because ryan isn't playing. that's petty, childish beyond belief and it is always those people that start threads about england in the first place despite them apparently not caring and swearing they'll never watch england again (and then coming on every england thread after the game to slag off how shit they were). it's basically what Dave was saying in the first place i.e. yes, i'd like Ryan to be picked but i won't refuse to support the national team simply because we have a dodgy manager who picks players based on the same old same old and what the media thinks. that's basically been the way with every england manager for years now and Hodgson is no different and certainly not an exception to most other managers in the last 20 years. the difference now for a lot on here is simply that Ryan isn't picked.no-one turned their backs because Ethers didn't get called up, no-one turned their backs because Crouch wasn't picked for the WC and i can guarantee that if hodgson picked the same players because the media wanted them and those players then went and won the WC they would happily still support England to the hilt. it's just embarrassing really.....as i said, most other fans would want players of theirs to be picked as well but they aren't and they don't go apeshit about it. some on here were taking the piss out of other fans not so long ago for wanting players like Clyne and Dyer to be picked and calling them delusional and laughing at their ridiculous blinkers,some were calling for Lallana to be played regularly and are now slagging him off, most people wanted Lambert to do well when he finally got his chance and he's now apparently just a waste of a squad place. the fickleness and hypocrisy is laughable! what most on here don't realise is that the vast majority of neutrals out there also don't rate Ryan nearly as highly as we do and it's just cheap and easy to say "That's just arsenal's fault/that's just the media's fault" when in reality it's simply because they just don't rate him that highly full stop! Arsenal fans may think badly of Ryan for the "incident" but to say that neutrals out there even really give that a second thought just isn't true in the most part...the only time it tends to be brought up by neutrals is because of the ridiculous carry on that WE perpetuate just as much as the Arsenal fans do every bloody time we play them.....WE may know it's actually Wenger and the Arsenal fans we're booing but no other fucker does, they just presume we're booing a player who had a broken leg (a point that many of the great intellects of this board miss; it's all well and good to try to send a message but unless EVERYONE knows what that message is then it's pointless and can result in just making you look bad yourself) we can't take the piss out of gloryhunters for only supporting "Big teams" when many on here seem to want to pick and choose who to support and when based on nothing but whether there's a Stoke player in the side...can't have it both ways and Dave's question was perfectly valid in that why is it ok to support one team through thick and thin even when we have shit managers yet dismiss the national side completely and actively want to see them losing games when things suddenly aren't rosy at the moment? i can pretty much guarantee that even if Ryan WAS picked then England wouldn't really be any better off for it as the squad in general isn't anywhere near the quality of other national teams and the general quality isn't Hodgson's fault, it's because of the way our players are taught to play the game from a young age (as has been pointed out by many many experts to the FA for years now). it will be a generation or so until we can possibly compete for tournament silverware again but that isn't Hodgson's fault, it's not because Ryan isn't being picked and i can GUARANTEE that when we get back to a place where we're seen as a decent side then all these people will suddenly start supporting the side again; fans when it's rosey but jump ship and blame and scapegoat people when it goes wrong. easy, lazy and aiming their frustration at completely the wrong people! i'm Stoke through and through, always have been, always will be but i'm also an Englishman who enjoys international football. it doesn't conflict with supporting Stoke as Stoke never play against England so why people seem to think it's one or the other or that you can't support them when a Stoke player isn't picked or that you can't support them because the manager is a "yes man" to the FA and the media in terms of squad selection when that's pretty much ALWAYS been the case is really genuinely beyond my comprehension.
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Post by tazi on Oct 2, 2014 16:16:25 GMT
Bumbling hodgson must believe he has a case for omitting Ryan yet again because those he continues to pick ate obviously continuing to perform well and reaching next stages of competitions.
The man is a dick.
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Post by werrington on Oct 2, 2014 16:21:28 GMT
Bumbling hodgson must believe he has a case for omitting Ryan yet again because those he continues to pick ate obviously continuing to perform well and reaching next stages of competitions. The man is a dick. That's because we are wank as a whole mate and nothing to do with the players he picks The old guard have gone and it's a new breed of England player who unfortunately with or without Shawcross are totally average at best on the international stage
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Post by tazi on Oct 2, 2014 16:25:03 GMT
Bumbling hodgson must believe he has a case for omitting Ryan yet again because those he continues to pick ate obviously continuing to perform well and reaching next stages of competitions. The man is a dick. That's because we are wank as a whole mate and nothing to do with the players he picks The old guard have gone and it's a new breed of England player who unfortunately with or without Shawcross are totally average at best on the international stage Then that is no excuse not to try make it better. The man is a dick.
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Post by werrington on Oct 2, 2014 16:49:53 GMT
That's because we are wank as a whole mate and nothing to do with the players he picks The old guard have gone and it's a new breed of England player who unfortunately with or without Shawcross are totally average at best on the international stage Then that is no excuse not to try make it better. The man is a dick. Depends in whose eyes he's not trying to make it better Fans of Southampton Everton etc etc probably think he is
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 16:59:13 GMT
REALLY getting fed up with Stoke Fans banging on about this - we all know the fucking score -its obvious and, more than ANYTHING ELSE
Englands loss is our gain
why dont people just shut the fuck up and smile ?
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Post by bubbleblower on Oct 2, 2014 17:00:35 GMT
Ryan is better not being associated with the useless bunch of tossers, will it improve his career training with and playing in the England team? I doubt it
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Post by nott1 on Oct 2, 2014 17:09:47 GMT
I do hope that no Stoke fan is seen at an England match whilst Woy is in charge. Hodgson out!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 17:11:18 GMT
I see jagielka and stones have combined to put Everton 1-0 down this evening. Fine work!
Shawcross is part of the 2nd best defence in the league, Everton one of the worst.... Yet 3 defenders are selected from the solid Everton rearguard. Explain Woy?
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Post by bignickhowes on Oct 2, 2014 17:23:38 GMT
I really do feel sorry for Ryan it's clear he's not going to get a game under this bumbling cock. how can you feel sorry for a footballer earning a ludicrous amount of money?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 2, 2014 17:36:16 GMT
No, he sounds like he's not a glory hunter and an England fan. England are shit, I won't be watching. England are amazing, come on England, never doubted you. Seems to pour out when ever this kind of thread gets started and its pathetic to see. How am I a glory hunter? I fell out of love with England a long time ago. Long before Ryan Shawcross was even a Stoke player. England have been shit for longer than Shawcross too, I didn't specifically name you, yes I quoted you but that was replied in the first line of my post. Edit: it was a general observation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 17:37:36 GMT
I really do feel sorry for Ryan it's clear he's not going to get a game under this bumbling cock. how can you feel sorry for a footballer earning a ludicrous amount of money? Because there's more to life than money?
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 2, 2014 17:40:09 GMT
REALLY getting fed up with Stoke Fans banging on about this - we all know the fucking score -its obvious and, more than ANYTHING ELSE Englands loss is our gain why dont people just shut the fuck up and smile ? REALLY getting fed up with Stoke Fans banging on about this - We all know the score. Coates isn't ready to fill the corners in yet and that's that... why dont people just shut the fuck up and smile ?
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Post by onionman on Oct 2, 2014 17:43:53 GMT
I really do feel sorry for Ryan it's clear he's not going to get a game under this bumbling cock. how can you feel sorry for a footballer earning a ludicrous amount of money? We feel sorry for Ryan Shawcross getting unfairly overlooked by Roy Hodgson, in the same way you most probably feel sorry for Jack Wilshere whenever he opens a McDonald's Happy Meal and doesn't find the toy he was hoping for.
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Post by tazi on Oct 2, 2014 17:51:59 GMT
Then that is no excuse not to try make it better. The man is a dick. Depends in whose eyes he's not trying to make it better Fans of Southampton Everton etc etc probably think he is Well, it's quite obvious something's amiss with the dick.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 18:08:06 GMT
I really do feel sorry for Ryan it's clear he's not going to get a game under this bumbling cock. how can you feel sorry for a footballer earning a ludicrous amount of money? Maybe because the lad actually wants to play for England (he could have had a load of caps for Wales by now). Unlike most of the twats who want a cap just to get a better deal at their club.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 2, 2014 18:12:19 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Oct 2, 2014 18:33:28 GMT
He wasn't overlooked again
He's not even being looked at
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Post by bignickhowes on Oct 2, 2014 18:40:28 GMT
how can you feel sorry for a footballer earning a ludicrous amount of money? We feel sorry for Ryan Shawcross getting unfairly overlooked by Roy Hodgson, in the same way you most probably feel sorry for Jack Wilshere whenever he opens a McDonald's Happy Meal and doesn't find the toy he was hoping for. Im not a big fan of wilshere especially outside of football, but hes just a decent player is all. Inconsistent but on his day he's very good
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 18:49:25 GMT
We feel sorry for Ryan Shawcross getting unfairly overlooked by Roy Hodgson, in the same way you most probably feel sorry for Jack Wilshere whenever he opens a McDonald's Happy Meal and doesn't find the toy he was hoping for. Im not a big fan of wilshere especially outside of football, but hes just a decent player is all. Inconsistent but on his day he's very good Which day was he decent ? because all I have seen is a spiteful shit who falls over more than a 1yr old.
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Post by slpmarc on Oct 2, 2014 18:49:50 GMT
I like this lad on twitter he speaks sense
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 19:50:38 GMT
Hodgson is a joke, he should have been at the Brit on Monday - no excuses. SO he should come all the way up here to watch one player he can see on sky if he's really interested? The obsession with Hodgson on here is small time and embarrassing, he goes to Southampton because he can have 7 or 8 potential squad players to watch depending on who they're playing. Ryan is a long shot and that's it here, I wouldn't come to watch us either if I were England manager. bollox it is hodgsons job to select the best performing england players.therefor he has to be at the britt on monday night there is simply no excuse he has hidden agenda re stoke city. i would even have crouchie on the bench to give us a plan b if needed. he should have been sacked after the inept embarrassing world cup.i am english and therefore an england fan but that cunt woy is making me turn my back on my team.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Oct 2, 2014 20:39:45 GMT
If he would have been at the Brit on Monday he would have seen that the first time Ryan was the given the responsibility to distribute the ball with loads of time to do so, he gave it straight to the opposition. Not saying he doesn't deserve a chance , just wish some people would remove the blinkers. Did he? I thought his distribution was spot on. Correct Jamo, he was MOTM if memory serves me right (Monday was a few beers back ). Ryan is top quality and many of my mates (Manure fans amongst them) would like him at the heart of their crumbling defences. He is a total star as any well adjusted game watching Stokie will confirm. Can't believe some of the total tosh I am reading on here tonight though. Ryan is well off out of it with regards to England and Hodgson is a prize prune. He couldn't manage a Sunday afternoon bowls team. I saw England win in 1966, it was tight but we managed it somehow. But since then with a few exceptions, I have seen us fail fail fail and the Germans win win win. I am English through and through and proud of it, and for that reason alone I want Hodgson well away NOW and a young English speaking manager put in charge (note doesn't have to be English). But hey this is the FA, the same bumbling individuals that failed to appoint Brian Clough. For me Stoke first always, but I dearly would love to see England finally do well again on the world stage before I pop my clogs and with Woy boy in charge there is no chance it will happen. He is that much of a washed up old duffer, I despair I really do.
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Post by burberrybassist on Oct 2, 2014 21:41:03 GMT
Id love to see a Shawcross/Davies partnership at CB, be bloody awesome!
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Post by tazi on Oct 3, 2014 1:40:27 GMT
I know just how much it means to Ryan to represent England as it's a burning ambition of his to do just that.
I know too just how gutted he was after that game against Sweden and that he himself didn't want to come on with just 17 fucking minutes left. One thing I did tell him was to just concentrate on what you do best which is looking after your family and playing football.
Gutted for the lad as that bumbling buffoon screw faced wanker continues to hang him out to dry.
How the fcuk he's still in a job is absolutely fcuking criminal.
If I ever saw the twat I'd give him a fcuking mouthful, the useless piece of shit.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 3, 2014 2:10:58 GMT
Im not a big fan of wilshere especially outside of football, but hes just a decent player is all. Inconsistent but on his day he's very good Which day was he decent ? because all I have seen is a spiteful shit who falls over more than a 1yr old. Tbf when he was younger he did well, but since then its all gone to his head and he seems to have decided he doesn't need to work on his game, also injuries have buggered him to an extent.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 3, 2014 2:13:41 GMT
SO he should come all the way up here to watch one player he can see on sky if he's really interested? The obsession with Hodgson on here is small time and embarrassing, he goes to Southampton because he can have 7 or 8 potential squad players to watch depending on who they're playing. Ryan is a long shot and that's it here, I wouldn't come to watch us either if I were England manager. bollox it is hodgsons job to select the best performing england players.therefor he has to be at the britt on monday night there is simply no excuse he has hidden agenda re stoke city. i would even have crouchie on the bench to give us a plan b if needed. he should have been sacked after the inept embarrassing world cup.i am english and therefore an england fan but that cunt woy is making me turn my back on my team. He could watch it on tv and also my have sent someone else to watch him for all we know, I can't see an agenda, I can see a manager thats wrongly deciding he's not good enough for some reason.
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