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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 15, 2014 9:21:24 GMT
I didn't watch the game last night, choosing instead to record it and watch it with my boy this morning.
Cahill and Jagielka were fucking marvellous weren't they? Jagielka turned his back on the first and Cahill looked so assured, strong and domineering at that back post again...NOT.
England played OK I thought, certainly for an hour so, but defensively we were all over the place.
Woy and his defensive picks, including Baines, will bite England on the arse for as long as they are involved in the competition.
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Post by nottspotter on Jun 15, 2014 9:27:46 GMT
The off-the-line clearing header was rather impressive though
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Post by 36dd on Jun 15, 2014 9:28:15 GMT
Jones & smalling as back up, fills me with dread. Uruguay will try & kick Rooney off the park Thursday just to wind him up. But he should play up top & sturridge played on the left. Other than the assist, Rooney looked lost last night & got dragged in far too deep.
The games gone now so it's onwards & upwards to Thursday, 4points could get us through to the 2nd round?
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Post by RAF on Jun 15, 2014 9:28:26 GMT
I didn't think Jags was too bad as it goes. Compared to Baines, Cahill and Johnson he was positively outstanding..
Only Jags and Sterling, possibly Sturridge and maybe Barkley when he came on can take any credit from last night.
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Post by slother on Jun 15, 2014 9:31:38 GMT
Jones & smalling as back up, fills me with dread. Uruguay will try & kick Rooney off the park Thursday just to wind him up. But he should play up top & sturridge played on the left. Other than the assist, Rooney looked lost last night & got dragged in far too deep. The games gone now so it's onwards & upwards to Thursday, 4points could get us through to the 2nd round? Rooney looks lost for 75% of games a season. Fuck him off. Sturridge got his goal and looked lively. I'd be loathe to dislodge him. |
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 15, 2014 9:32:05 GMT
I didn't watch the game last night, choosing instead to record it and watch it with my boy this morning. Cahill and Jagielka were fucking marvellous weren't they? Jagielka turned his back on the first and Cahill looked so assured, strong and domineering at that back post again...NOT. England played OK I thought, certainly for an hour so, but defensively we were all over the place. Woy and his defensive picks, including Baines, will bite England on the arse for as long as they are involved in the competition. It's what happens when you select defenders primarily on the basis of things other than defensive capability. You can get away with it in the qualifiers and against the lesser teams. The big boys exploit the lack of defensive capability pretty much every time - and then people start scratching their heads going "but the defence looked so good against San Marino and Moldova". |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 9:35:00 GMT
Didn't help that they had zero protection from Captain marvel and his young apprentice.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 15, 2014 9:36:05 GMT
Highlight of the game - Even the Arsenal physio is made of glass! :-)
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jun 15, 2014 9:36:32 GMT
I didn't think Jags was too bad as it goes. Compared to Baines, Cahill and Johnson he was positively outstanding.. Only Jags and Sterling, possibly Sturridge and maybe Barkley when he came on can take any credit from last night. H Nail on head, son. (Not sure which wise old sage uses this phrase normally?)  |
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Post by RAF on Jun 15, 2014 9:36:32 GMT
Didn't help that they had zero protection from Captain marvel and his young apprentice. Indeed Rob, had it not been for Wellbeck's intervention several times it could have been a lot worse when those two clowns went missing for large portions of the game. H |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 9:40:18 GMT
Wait until Costa Rica put e'm on the backfoot.
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Jun 15, 2014 9:42:54 GMT
England did OK going forward, but defensively they handed it on a plate to Pirlo & Co.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 15, 2014 9:43:29 GMT
I was pissed. I remember thinking we played quite well, Rooney isn't a winger and this could be a half decent side at the next Euros with a new manager.
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Post by trigger on Jun 15, 2014 9:51:22 GMT
Their second goal was pathetic by Cahill, he hadn't got a clue where Hart was positioning himself let alone where Ballotelli was and bizarrely swan dived towards the enormous void he'd created..
Cahill is the best we've got unfortunately but again he's been given the chances unlike you know who, personally I think you know who would have prevented their second goal last night.
Overall we deserved something from the game but either way I'm more interested in the Bosnia and Honduras games today as I feel proud that SCFC are being represented on a global stage.
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Post by kristoff on Jun 15, 2014 9:56:36 GMT
Their second goal was pathetic by Cahill, he hadn't got a clue where Hart was positioning himself let alone where Ballotelli was and bizarrely swan dived towards the enormous void he'd created.. Cahill is the best we've got unfortunately but again he's been given the chances unlike you know who, personally I think you know who would have prevented their second goal last night. Overall we deserved something from the game but either way I'm more interested in the Bosnia and Honduras games today as I feel proud that SCFC are being represented on a global stage. Always makes me laugh that we bitch and complain that the England players dont give a fuck, yet people want other nations to do better than us. Before anyone says well hes a Stoke player, you support stoke, blah blah blah, i agree, it is nice to see a Stokie out there, but wanting a team to do better than England because they have 1 stoke player is basically saying you support the players ect over the team which is exactly what most people were saying you should never do last year when Pulis was putting everyone to sleep. |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jun 15, 2014 9:56:49 GMT
To be fair I don't think they were the problem, thought both were ok tbf.
Thought Johnson was going to get smashed after his recent games thought he did well. Baines was exposed to much.
Same old England problem we need a left winger
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jun 15, 2014 9:58:34 GMT
Jones & smalling as back up, fills me with dread. Uruguay will try & kick Rooney off the park Thursday just to wind him up. But he should play up top & sturridge played on the left. Other than the assist, Rooney looked lost last night & got dragged in far too deep. The games gone now so it's onwards & upwards to Thursday, 4points could get us through to the 2nd round? I wouldn't go to any effort to keep Rooney in the side. Why move Sturridge when he's playing well where he is? The problem is that while Rooney undoubtedly has quality, he'd not be my first choice in any position. He's a poor mans Jon Walters for England. And maybe there lies the answer, super sub Rooney? Hart Johnson Jones Jagielka Baines Gerrard Henderson Sterling Barkley Welbeck Sturridge Would be my choice, though I'm not thrilled with choosing Welbeck. Though he would perhaps offer Baines better support than Rooney did. |
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 15, 2014 9:59:14 GMT
To be fair I don't think they were the problem, thought both were ok tbf. Thought Johnson was going to get smashed after his recent games thought he did well. Baines was exposed to much. Same old England problem we need a left winger wellbeck looked ok on the flank , not a big fan of his though |
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Post by kristoff on Jun 15, 2014 10:01:23 GMT
The system is the biggest problem imho. 4 players up top just seems too much for our players to work with, too much crowding.
Too add a Rooney fighting for his starting place back off the bench does seem strangely appealing
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Post by ukcstokie on Jun 15, 2014 10:02:35 GMT
On reflection I thought it was pretty close to being a car crash for Hodgson:
- his preference for defenders who are better going forwards cost us
- his lack of defensive cover means we have no options
- playing holding midfielders who really aren't disciplined or good enough in the role meant that the defence was shown up
- playing Rooney on the wing - where he just doesn't work, and playing Sterling through the middle (where his pace and trickery are somewhat negated) - was a masterstroke
- not fixing the defensive cover on the left - when it was obvious early on
- not bringing on Lambert and bringing on Wiltshire - who contributed nothing (but that's all he's done recently)
Really poor managerial performance from Hodgson.
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Post by kristoff on Jun 15, 2014 10:06:43 GMT
To be fair I don't think they were the problem, thought both were ok tbf. Thought Johnson was going to get smashed after his recent games thought he did well. Baines was exposed to much. Same old England problem we need a left winger wellbeck looked ok on the flank , not a big fan of his though I do think he knackered himself out in the first half though, and was culpable in their 2nd goal sadly because the first half he seemed to be spurring us on |
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Post by trigger on Jun 15, 2014 10:07:33 GMT
Forgot about Lambert, Wilshere did nothing whatsoever.
Saving grace is Hodgson will be unemployed come the end of the month, Southampton got a manager yet?
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jun 15, 2014 10:09:20 GMT
To be fair , I think Cahill has greatly improved after a full season with Terry who should be there along with Cole who is so much better defensively than Baines .
I enjoyed the game could have gone either way , we need to get more out of players like Rooney and Gerrard in these games when they need to be at their very best . Pirlo has to have the best footballing brain in the world , total genius vision
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Post by Northy on Jun 15, 2014 10:17:51 GMT
I didn't think Jags was too bad as it goes. Compared to Baines, Cahill and Johnson he was positively outstanding.. Only Jags and Sterling, possibly Sturridge and maybe Barkley when he came on can take any credit from last night. H Nail on head, son. (Not sure which wise old sage uses this phrase normally?) Margery Kempe in the 14th century book is the oldest quote of it. |
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Post by craig67 on Jun 15, 2014 10:20:34 GMT
Forgot about Lambert, Wilshere did nothing whatsoever. Saving grace is Hodgson will be unemployed come the end of the month, Southampton got a manager yet? Ronald Koeman. |
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Jun 15, 2014 10:27:06 GMT
Forgot about Lambert, Wilshere did nothing whatsoever. Saving grace is Hodgson will be unemployed come the end of the month, Southampton got a manager yet? This. I can live in hope. Uncle Woy is a classic safe 'yes man' and the sooner he carts off the better. Brian Clough was by far the best manager England never had. Our current soft defence and midfield are a total joke and as a result totally shambolic. Pity the Bosnia game is on so late tonight, was looking forward to seeing a decent world class goalie between the sticks this weekend. |
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Post by geoff321 on Jun 15, 2014 10:27:26 GMT
I'm reading these negative messages, on various threads, with some disbelief, I can only think that the there are a fair few posters on here who aren't English.
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Post by redstriper on Jun 15, 2014 10:31:45 GMT
I was pissed. I remember thinking we played quite well, Rooney isn't a winger and this could be a half decent side at the next Euros with a new manager. Have to agree. And I was fairly sober. I had no expectations for this tourno but for 80 mins (we tired badly last 10) we passed the ball extremely well, and created far more with it than Italy did. Pissed off with woy for bringing Wiltshire on. The Italian keeper parried single shot we hit - and sterling was getting crosses in, but we had nobody in the 6 yard box for these moments. Lambert would have been a far better option as sub. |
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Post by kristoff on Jun 15, 2014 10:34:03 GMT
I was pissed. I remember thinking we played quite well, Rooney isn't a winger and this could be a half decent side at the next Euros with a new manager. Have to agree. And I was fairly sober. I had no expectations for this tourno but for 80 mins (we tired badly last 10) we passed the ball extremely well, and created far more with it than Italy did. Pissed off with woy for bringing Wiltshire on. The Italian keeper parried single shot we hit - and sterling was getting crosses in, but we had nobody in the 6 yard box for these moments. Lambert would have been a far better option as sub. The amount of tap ins a proper number 9 wouldve had in that game last night was frightening. If only sheaer was 15 years younger  |
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 15, 2014 10:35:08 GMT
I didn't watch the game last night, choosing instead to record it and watch it with my boy this morning. Cahill and Jagielka were fucking marvellous weren't they? Jagielka turned his back on the first and Cahill looked so assured, strong and domineering at that back post again...NOT. England played OK I thought, certainly for an hour so, but defensively we were all over the place. Woy and his defensive picks, including Baines, will bite England on the arse for as long as they are involved in the competition. That is some strength of character to go bed knowing the game is on. Was it cause you got p!$$ed early watching Uruguay/Costa!?! |
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