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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2014 19:01:50 GMT
I think this thread just shows how hard it is to shake off the Pulis indoctrination of 'work 'aaaard'. Unfortunately some of our more mentally challenged fans will never do so. Walters is a poor PL player. Just call me mentally challenged if I appreciate players "working aaaard" for the team and it's supporters. Point proven Pugsley
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Post by owdestokie on Feb 25, 2014 19:02:22 GMT
Just call me mentally challenged if I appreciate players "working aaaard" for the team and it's supporters. I N D O C T R I N A T I O N No need to shout..........
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 25, 2014 19:03:23 GMT
I think this thread just shows how hard it is to shake off the Pulis indoctrination of 'work 'aaaard'. Unfortunately some of our more mentally challenged fans will never do so. Walters is a poor PL player. Does this mean MH is mentally challenged too??? You bet your balls to a barn dance it does. It's a blight on the English game - where a runner is more highly prized than a footballer. I'll let you into a secret, johnny foreigner works just as hard. They're just more intelligent footballers.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2014 19:04:33 GMT
I think this thread just shows how hard it is to shake off the Pulis indoctrination of 'work 'aaaard'. Unfortunately some of our more mentally challenged fans will never do so. Walters is a poor PL player. Does this mean MH is mentally challenged too??? It makes you wonder does it not, continuous inclusion of a poor player who has cost us a number of points this season already begs the question.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 19:06:59 GMT
I think this thread just shows how hard it is to shake off the Pulis indoctrination of 'work 'aaaard'. Unfortunately some of our more mentally challenged fans will never do so. Walters is a poor PL player. I think everybody agrees we need to improve in this area of the pitch, but at the moment we have to choose from the squad we have. To see how Walters earns his place above others in the squad is obvious even to the mentally challenged. We have nobody better available and Walts earns his place through merit. His experience at this level is needed on saturday around the first team, it's stupidity not to have the guy involved.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 25, 2014 19:08:22 GMT
Does this mean MH is mentally challenged too??? You bet your balls to a barn dance it does. Â It's a blight on the English game - where a runner is more highly prized than a footballer. Â I'll let you into a secret, johnny foreigner works just as hard. Â They're just more intelligent footballers. I prefer a combination of the two.....as i guess most decent managers do.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2014 19:39:48 GMT
I think this thread just shows how hard it is to shake off the Pulis indoctrination of 'work 'aaaard'. Unfortunately some of our more mentally challenged fans will never do so. Walters is a poor PL player. I think everybody agrees we need to improve in this area of the pitch, but at the moment we have to choose from the squad we have. To see how Walters earns his place above others in the squad is obvious even to the mentally challenged. We have nobody better available and Walts earns his place through merit. His experience at this level is needed on saturday around the first team, it's stupidity not to have the guy involved. Given he is an attacking player who is apparently in the team week in week out for his defensive ability's which area of the pitch are you talking about, serious question why after spending a kings ransom on players we have no one better than the hapless Walters.
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Post by sjohank on Feb 25, 2014 19:42:15 GMT
Not sure how anyone can argue with that. But I bet they will.... I don't think anyone would argue that Walters wouldn't be useful to have on the bench. It is having him as a regular starter that people rightly object to because he simply isn't good enough. He has cost us points offensively and defensively, probably more than any other player and he is very lucky to have found 2 managers daft enough to play him every week. In the case of Pulis, given that good alternatives were often available, it has to be because Pulis rated him. I am less convinced that is the case with Hughes who may be of the opinion that it is Walters because we have no-one else. I have reached the point now, as much as I hate to take such a stance with one of our players, that for me it would be almost anyone but Walters. Ethers isn't the player he once was but he will offer just as much as Walters and by virtue of the fact that he can probably still deliver a decent corner, he would offer us a whole lot more. We certainly lost nothing with Ethers coming on for Walters on Saturday. Arnie, Assaidi, Ethers and Odemwingie are all better options than Walters in whatever position you choose for them. Odemwingie and Arnie would be better playing off Crouch than Walters and all 4 of them would be better options as wide players than Walters. His constant stream of missed chances, no matter how easy, really is driving me to distraction. His feeble attempt on the header chance, from a peach of a free-kick from Adam, is just the latest example of his total ineptitude. Halelujah & Amen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 20:07:09 GMT
I think everybody agrees we need to improve in this area of the pitch, but at the moment we have to choose from the squad we have. To see how Walters earns his place above others in the squad is obvious even to the mentally challenged. We have nobody better available and Walts earns his place through merit. His experience at this level is needed on saturday around the first team, it's stupidity not to have the guy involved. Given he is an attacking player who is apparently in the team week in week out for his defensive ability's which area of the pitch are you talking about, serious question why after spending a kings ransom on players we have no one better than the hapless Walters. What area of the pitch do you think i'm on about?! The end where we have a World class goal keeper and very promising backup out on loan. Or the end thats reliant on a old imobile striker and Johny Walters? The reason we have no better is that before our current management team arrived our previous lot had no interest in youth players or giving unproven foreign players a chance and only had eyes for experienced players. The team defends in a unit when it has to and certain positions have to defend. I dont see what your trying to say.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2014 20:22:24 GMT
Given he is an attacking player who is apparently in the team week in week out for his defensive ability's which area of the pitch are you talking about, serious question why after spending a kings ransom on players we have no one better than the hapless Walters. What area of the pitch do you think i'm on about?! The end where we have a World class goal keeper and very promising backup out on loan. Or the end thats reliant on a old imobile striker and Johny Walters? The reason we have no better is that before our current management team arrived our previous lot had no interest in youth players or giving unproven foreign players a chance and only had eyes for experienced players. The team defends in a unit when it has to and certain positions have to defend. I dont see what your trying to say. Now that our current management are in place and have been in place for two full transfer windows why do we still have no better ?, I was no lover of Pulis and his penchant for signing over the hill or players that were simply not good enough for over inflated prices, however Hughes and his team have had the opportunity to address the issues which you mention and thus far have failed to do so, the loan signing of Guidetti looks to be a massive own goal why bring him here if he is no better than what we have. As long as Walters is a necessity because we have no better the club will struggle, by the way he is also pretty dam shit at defending.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 20:34:23 GMT
What area of the pitch do you think i'm on about?! The end where we have a World class goal keeper and very promising backup out on loan. Or the end thats reliant on a old imobile striker and Johny Walters? The reason we have no better is that before our current management team arrived our previous lot had no interest in youth players or giving unproven foreign players a chance and only had eyes for experienced players. The team defends in a unit when it has to and certain positions have to defend. I dont see what your trying to say. Now that our current management are in place and have been in place for two full transfer windows why do we still have no better ?, I was no lover of Pulis and his penchant for signing over the hill or players that were simply not good enough for over inflated prices, however Hughes and his team have had the opportunity to address the issues which you mention and thus far have failed to do so, the loan signing of Guidetti looks to be a massive own goal why bring him here if he is no better than what we have. As long as Walters is a necessity because we have no better the club will struggle, by the way he is also pretty dam shit at defending. You have still yet to name a player to replace him? Shotton is a decent defender what about him? Hughes has signed Odemwingie, Ireland, Ossie, Marko and Guidetti all have improved on what we had for peanuts, the players that he is bringing to our club will change how effective our style of play is. You have to give things time i think hughes will be a very good manager for Stoke.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2014 20:44:53 GMT
Now that our current management are in place and have been in place for two full transfer windows why do we still have no better ?, I was no lover of Pulis and his penchant for signing over the hill or players that were simply not good enough for over inflated prices, however Hughes and his team have had the opportunity to address the issues which you mention and thus far have failed to do so, the loan signing of Guidetti looks to be a massive own goal why bring him here if he is no better than what we have. As long as Walters is a necessity because we have no better the club will struggle, by the way he is also pretty dam shit at defending. You have still yet to name a player to replace him? Shotton is a decent defender what about him? Hughes has signed Odemwingie, Ireland, Ossie, Marko and Guidetti all have improved on what we had for peanuts, the players that he is bringing to our club will change how effective our style of play is. You have to give things time i think hughes will be a very good manager for Stoke. I really hope you are right, wingy was pretty much forced because of the Jones situation, Ireland jury still out not consistent, Ossie ok, Marko jury still out has potential and Guidetti how the hell has he improved anything the man who bought him does not play him, as for Shotton , we needed a player to immediately replace either the geriatric giraffe or hapless Jon this has not happened, this is down to the incumbent manager sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 20:48:15 GMT
You have still yet to name a player to replace him? Shotton is a decent defender what about him? Hughes has signed Odemwingie, Ireland, Ossie, Marko and Guidetti all have improved on what we had for peanuts, the players that he is bringing to our club will change how effective our style of play is. You have to give things time i think hughes will be a very good manager for Stoke. I really hope you are right, wingy was pretty much forced because of the Jones situation, Ireland jury still out not consistent, Ossie ok, Marko jury still out has potential and Guidetti how the hell has he improved anything the man who bought him does not play him, as for Shotton , we needed a player to immediately replace either the geriatric giraffe or hapless Jon this has not happened, this is down to the incumbent manager sorry. Give it time.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2014 21:14:56 GMT
I really hope you are right, wingy was pretty much forced because of the Jones situation, Ireland jury still out not consistent, Ossie ok, Marko jury still out has potential and Guidetti how the hell has he improved anything the man who bought him does not play him, as for Shotton , we needed a player to immediately replace either the geriatric giraffe or hapless Jon this has not happened, this is down to the incumbent manager sorry. Give it time. Two transfer windows later, just how much time will it take for the penny to drop with Mark and his team, we have been crying out for better striking options for the past two seasons, we are still waiting.
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Post by northstokie on Feb 26, 2014 13:11:26 GMT
Two transfer windows later, just how much time will it take for the penny to drop with Mark and his team, we have been crying out for better striking options for the past two seasons, we are still waiting. Yes, the club should stockpile strikers and waste even more money - times are changing and whilst the biggest contracts in the club's history continue to clog up the books, incomings will take time. Jones was a good start, as was the acquisition of Agudelo based on what I've seen of him. Messrs Crouch, Palacios, Etherington will be next and at that point the manager will be in a much better position to make their mark signings wise
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Post by jstoke7 on Feb 26, 2014 13:42:42 GMT
Quality. I've stopped getting annoyed at Walters now and just accept that he's going to give away the ball, fail to beat his man, and be about as exciting as watching paint dry. I know all about players making space and providing for others, but I just can't see it with Walters, there is so little to justify his inclusion IMO. On top of this, we hardly even know what the team would be like without Walters in it, it's only happened a handful of times over the last 2-3 years, so how people can argue against dropping him when he scores/assists/completes so little is baffling. EDIT: I thought he did well against Chelsea, but that was more brute strength against Azpilicueta than anything. So all you need to do well against one of the leagues top teams is brute strength?? Of course!!! How simple.....glad you've cracked it. I wonder is Hulk Hogan available on a Bosman?? So from that whole thing all you have done is comment on the brute strength part, nice. I'm confused as to what point you are trying to make, I'll rephrase my last sentence - I thought he did well against Chelsea, he put some decent balls in and used his body well against Azpilicueta to give himself an advantage. Happy?
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Post by nononsense on Feb 26, 2014 13:47:00 GMT
You bet your balls to a barn dance it does. It's a blight on the English game - where a runner is more highly prized than a footballer. I'll let you into a secret, johnny foreigner works just as hard. They're just more intelligent footballers. I prefer a combination of the two.....as i guess most decent managers do. Actually, the simple matter of fact is that Jon Walters DOES NOT WORK HARD. Oh sure, he puts in a shift, he runs hard and he gets his strip dirty. But someone who works as hard as he supposedly does, has something to show for it at the end of the day. NOTHING comes from what Walters does, NOTHING!!
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 26, 2014 15:12:25 GMT
I prefer a combination of the two.....as i guess most decent managers do. Actually, the simple matter of fact is that Jon Walters DOES NOT WORK HARD. Oh sure, he puts in a shift, he runs hard and he gets his strip dirty. But someone who works as hard as he supposedly does, has something to show for it at the end of the day. NOTHING comes from what Walters does, NOTHING!! Yet with this useless player who contributes NOTHING and equates to us playing with ten men, we've managed to overcome this handicap and still survive and at times thrive as a Premier League club. So are you really saying that, factoring in all the games that SJW has played as us playing with ten, if Ethers, Assaidi, Arnie etc had played in all those games instead we'd be a top six side or even better? Are you really saying that or, if you check back over your posts, are you just talking knicker wetting arsewaffle??? I'll help you out, it's the latter.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 26, 2014 15:18:54 GMT
So all you need to do well against one of the leagues top teams is brute strength?? Of course!!! How simple.....glad you've cracked it. I wonder is Hulk Hogan available on a Bosman?? So from that whole thing all you have done is comment on the brute strength part, nice. I'm confused as to what point you are trying to make, I'll rephrase my last sentence - I thought he did well against Chelsea, he put some decent balls in and used his body well against Azpilicueta to give himself an advantage. Happy? Much better. Sounds like a player who can do (and has done) a decent job at a mid-table Premier League club.
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Post by nononsense on Feb 26, 2014 15:52:25 GMT
Actually, the simple matter of fact is that Jon Walters DOES NOT WORK HARD. Oh sure, he puts in a shift, he runs hard and he gets his strip dirty. But someone who works as hard as he supposedly does, has something to show for it at the end of the day. NOTHING comes from what Walters does, NOTHING!! Yet with this useless player who contributes NOTHING and equates to us playing with ten men, we've managed to overcome this handicap and still survive and at times thrive as a Premier League club. So are you really saying that, factoring in all the games that SJW has played as us playing with ten, if Ethers, Assaidi, Arnie etc had played in all those games instead we'd be a top six side or even better? Are you really saying that or, if you check back over your posts, are you just talking knicker wetting arsewaffle??? I'll help you out, it's the latter. Who said we would be a top 6 team if Walters was replaced ? If he had a minute bit of skill in his place we would be top 10. According to me, he has cost us 7 points this season due to his ineptitude, which would put us with 34 points and a solid 10th in West ham's spot! It seems you are accepting of Walters and happy to just survive with useless players like him. Ok good for you,. Personally, I want and expect just a little bit more !
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 26, 2014 16:12:38 GMT
Yet with this useless player who contributes NOTHING and equates to us playing with ten men, we've managed to overcome this handicap and still survive and at times thrive as a Premier League club. So are you really saying that, factoring in all the games that SJW has played as us playing with ten, if Ethers, Assaidi, Arnie etc had played in all those games instead we'd be a top six side or even better? Are you really saying that or, if you check back over your posts, are you just talking knicker wetting arsewaffle??? I'll help you out, it's the latter. Who said we would be a top 6 team if Walters was replaced ? If he had a minute bit of skill in his place we would be top 10. According to me, he has cost us 7 points this season due to his ineptitude, which would put us with 34 points and a solid 10th in West ham's spot! It seems you are accepting of Walters and happy to just survive with useless players like him. Ok good for you,. Personally, I want and expect just a little bit more ! "All he does is fill out the squad so we have 11 men, but really if he starts its like playing with 10." I'm assuming that if we had played with eleven instead of ten for those 100 plus games that SJW has started we could well be a top six team. Not unreasonable I think given that playing with ten is quite a handicap. Now many people classed me as a Rimmer but you my friend surely take the King Rimmer Crown. Not only did Tone get us promoted, galvanise us into a genuine top flight team and take us to a Cup Final......he only went and did it with ten bloody men!!! The big baseball capped show off. And to think, some wanted him sacked!!!! Don't worry though, I'm with you buddy. There should be a statue on every street corner in Stoke of Tone, cap on head, with the inscription "He did it all with ten men!" "We're Stoke City, we only need ten!"
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Post by nononsense on Feb 26, 2014 16:30:51 GMT
Who said we would be a top 6 team if Walters was replaced ? If he had a minute bit of skill in his place we would be top 10. According to me, he has cost us 7 points this season due to his ineptitude, which would put us with 34 points and a solid 10th in West ham's spot! It seems you are accepting of Walters and happy to just survive with useless players like him. Ok good for you,. Personally, I want and expect just a little bit more ! "All he does is fill out the squad so we have 11 men, but really if he starts its like playing with 10." I'm assuming that if we had played with eleven instead of ten for those 100 plus games that SJW has started we could well be a top six team. Not unreasonable I think given that playing with ten is quite a handicap. Now many people classed me as a Rimmer but you my friend surely take the King Rimmer Crown. Not only did Tone get us promoted, galvanise us into a genuine top flight team and take us to a Cup Final......he only went and did it with ten bloody men!!! The big baseball capped show off. And to think, some wanted him sacked!!!! Don't worry though, I'm with you buddy. There should be a statue on every street corner in Stoke of Tone, cap on head, with the inscription "He did it all with ten men!" "We're Stoke City, we only need ten!" errm, Pulis did all what with 10 men?? Some people are so accepting of mediocrity aren't they ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 16:33:30 GMT
Well, if he's as good as some of you say, then we will undoubtedly lose him at the end of the season, when lots of clubs will be lining up to sign him. Meanwhile, in the real world, he would not play anywhere near the amount of games for some other team, that he does for us. I have no idea why he gets picked week in week out, but it's just bloody annoying that he does. shit logic that mate! i don't remember there being teams lining up for Shawcross or Huth in ANY transfer window since they've been here...presumably that means they're shit too?
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 26, 2014 16:51:47 GMT
"All he does is fill out the squad so we have 11 men, but really if he starts its like playing with 10." I'm assuming that if we had played with eleven instead of ten for those 100 plus games that SJW has started we could well be a top six team. Not unreasonable I think given that playing with ten is quite a handicap. Now many people classed me as a Rimmer but you my friend surely take the King Rimmer Crown. Not only did Tone get us promoted, galvanise us into a genuine top flight team and take us to a Cup Final......he only went and did it with ten bloody men!!! The big baseball capped show off. And to think, some wanted him sacked!!!! Don't worry though, I'm with you buddy. There should be a statue on every street corner in Stoke of Tone, cap on head, with the inscription "He did it all with ten men!" "We're Stoke City, we only need ten!" errm, Pulis did all what with 10 men?? Some people are so accepting of mediocrity aren't they ? You're great fun. Can we keep you?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 26, 2014 17:02:02 GMT
Well, if he's as good as some of you say, then we will undoubtedly lose him at the end of the season, when lots of clubs will be lining up to sign him. Meanwhile, in the real world, he would not play anywhere near the amount of games for some other team, that he does for us. I have no idea why he gets picked week in week out, but it's just bloody annoying that he does. shit logic that mate! i don't remember there being teams lining up for Shawcross or Huth in ANY transfer window since they've been here...presumably that means they're shit too? Liverpool and The Shit will be in for Shawcross this summer. As for Walters, I think he is more of a squad player but our last 2 managers disagree. I think he has cost us points this season and I would prefer Odemwingie up front with Crouch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 20:05:43 GMT
"All he does is fill out the squad so we have 11 men, but really if he starts its like playing with 10." I'm assuming that if we had played with eleven instead of ten for those 100 plus games that SJW has started we could well be a top six team. Not unreasonable I think given that playing with ten is quite a handicap. Now many people classed me as a Rimmer but you my friend surely take the King Rimmer Crown. Not only did Tone get us promoted, galvanise us into a genuine top flight team and take us to a Cup Final......he only went and did it with ten bloody men!!! The big baseball capped show off. And to think, some wanted him sacked!!!! Don't worry though, I'm with you buddy. There should be a statue on every street corner in Stoke of Tone, cap on head, with the inscription "He did it all with ten men!" "We're Stoke City, we only need ten!" errm, Pulis did all what with 10 men?? Some people are so accepting of mediocrity aren't they ? If we are so accepting of mediocrity as you say why did we get rid of our former manager? The want to reach higher for our club and fans is there for all to see. Progress is being made patience is needed.
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Post by banburypotter on Feb 27, 2014 11:57:55 GMT
Well, if he's as good as some of you say, then we will undoubtedly lose him at the end of the season, when lots of clubs will be lining up to sign him. Meanwhile, in the real world, he would not play anywhere near the amount of games for some other team, that he does for us. I have no idea why he gets picked week in week out, but it's just bloody annoying that he does. shit logic that mate! i don't remember there being teams lining up for Shawcross or Huth in ANY transfer window since they've been here...presumably that means they're shit too? But, there is more likely to be interest in shawcross and huth than Walters so my logic still stands
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Post by kitkatkev on Feb 27, 2014 16:51:03 GMT
Looks like the Pulis Hating Wankstains have changed to Walters Hating Wankstains not that I am shocked
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Post by farsouthstokie on Feb 27, 2014 17:36:42 GMT
Just call me mentally challenged if I appreciate players "working aaaard" for the team and it's supporters. Point proven Pugsley Seems like the backer proves an obverse
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Post by onemanbang on Feb 27, 2014 17:44:14 GMT
At what point do we realise football requires a mix of fancy dan footballers and hard workers? No team has ever won anything with 11 fantastic fancy players and no hard workers. There has to be a balance!
for every Fuller there had to be a Mama.
I was watching a bit of Barca the other night and it got me thinking that their fans must be similar. I look at their line up and you seen Iniesta, Messi, Neymar and Sanchez and then you see that lad Pedro who is utter Wank in comparison. Even Xavi doesn't do fancy stuff in comparison to the names above.
Its not rocket science it is just the way football is, Its just our hard workers are a poorer version than some of the more illustrious names and are quite simply all that we can afford.
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