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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 24, 2014 15:21:13 GMT
Who would you play instead? Edit as above! Ossie is injured and ethers is nowhere near 90 minutes so who would you pick. See above but I would go with Ethers for as long as he can manage and if necessary bring Walters on thereafter. Ethers did more in 10 minutes on Saturday than Walters had done in the previous 80.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 17:35:09 GMT
Other than run around a lot I fail to see what Jon Walters has to offer. Sure he's as hard as nails and by all accounts a great character but that is not going to win football matches at this level. You will get the same work rate out of Odemwingie, the difference being is that if he gets a chance he will bury it. We simply have to start taking our chances and can anyone honestly say Walters has the ability to do that.
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Post by jarhead on Feb 24, 2014 17:48:45 GMT
If Ethers fit and feeling good he offers so much more than the woefully wank Walters ever will and it has to stop now.
We need to stop pissing about and Start to win some bloody games and not playing the same old Shite which is not getting results often enough.
Start with Guidetti up top instead of Crouch,Arnie on for 90 mins Odemwingie in behind Guidetti and Ethers on the other flank and let's get at teams ffs!
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 24, 2014 17:55:49 GMT
Other than run around a lot I fail to see what Jon Walters has to offer. Sure he's as hard as nails and by all accounts a great character but that is not going to win football matches at this level. You will get the same work rate out of Odemwingie, the difference being is that if he gets a chance he will bury it. We simply have to start taking our chances and can anyone honestly say Walters has the ability to do that. Not sure if it would honest but Pulis and Hughes must have/still think so , simply not good enough as a striker, wank as a winger, liability as a defender, god knows why they continue to persevere with him but they do and as long as they do we will struggle.
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Post by sjohank on Feb 24, 2014 19:44:27 GMT
Who would you play instead? Much would depend on the opposition but I think we have better options than Walters in whatever position he has played. In the wide positions, I would play Arnie, Assaidi, Etherington or Odemwinge ahead of him In the position behind Crouch, I would play Arnie or Odemwingie ahead of him. Depends on who is fit and what shape the manager wants the team to take. Walters has uses for sure. At home against Arsenal for example is taylor made for Walters but away from home or against teams of similar ability to us, Walters simply isn't good enough. For example, when Arnie went off on Saturday, Hughes opted to bring Palacios on subsequently moving Walters out to the left and shifting Adam a bit further forward in support of Crouch. For me, I would have just put Etherington there because he is better than Walters. For example, if you take Saturday again, I would have started with creative/forward players as follows; Ethers left, Arnie right, Odemwingie in behind Crouch...No Walters. Amen. (End of thread).
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Post by nononsense on Feb 24, 2014 23:51:35 GMT
The man has been a total waste of time for the past 2 seasons. He has cost us at least 5 points this season from his sitters missed, maybe more with the errors he has committed too. All he does is fill out the squad so we have 11 men, but really if he starts its like playing with 10. Im all for a player that runs his socks off and gives 100% effort, a striker that drops back to defend, but bloody hell. Something positive has to come from all his endless running, but nothing does. Every time he puts his head down and gos chasing the 20th back pass to their goalie i just shake my head ! And we wonder why we have such a hard time scoring with him in the squad every bloody week !
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 25, 2014 2:20:08 GMT
The man has been a total waste of time for the past 2 seasons. He has cost us at least 5 points this season from his sitters missed, maybe more with the errors he has committed too. All he does is fill out the squad so we have 11 men, but really if he starts its like playing with 10. Im all for a player that runs his socks off and gives 100% effort, a striker that drops back to defend, but bloody hell. Something positive has to come from all his endless running, but nothing does. Every time he puts his head down and gos chasing the 20th back pass to their goalie i just shake my head ! And we wonder why we have such a hard time scoring with him in the squad every bloody week ! So we just came very close to earning a well deserved point at Citeh. Beat The Shit and Chelski deservedly. And all with ten men. Great news, once we get Ethers in we should be genuine title contenders shouldn't we???
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Post by nononsense on Feb 25, 2014 13:27:06 GMT
The man has been a total waste of time for the past 2 seasons. He has cost us at least 5 points this season from his sitters missed, maybe more with the errors he has committed too. All he does is fill out the squad so we have 11 men, but really if he starts its like playing with 10. Im all for a player that runs his socks off and gives 100% effort, a striker that drops back to defend, but bloody hell. Something positive has to come from all his endless running, but nothing does. Every time he puts his head down and gos chasing the 20th back pass to their goalie i just shake my head ! And we wonder why we have such a hard time scoring with him in the squad every bloody week ! So we just came very close to earning a well deserved point at Citeh. Beat The Shit and Chelski deservedly. And all with ten men. Great news, once we get Ethers in we should be genuine title contenders shouldn't we??? Came close to earning a well deserved point at Man City ? (rofl)Mate this isn't the lottery, its the Premier league, we lost and didn't get any points. We came close to beating them at the Brit, but due only to the ineptitude of Jon Walters, did we draw. We came close to drawing with Liverpool at Anfield, but due to the ineptitude of Jon Walters, we would have drawn. We came close to drawing or beating Norwich at home, but onece again, due to the ineptitude of Jon Walters, we lost. We should have gone up 3-1 against Man U at Old Trafford with 25 minutes left, but, well, you get the point...... don't you ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 13:30:34 GMT
So we just came very close to earning a well deserved point at Citeh. Beat The Shit and Chelski deservedly. And all with ten men. Great news, once we get Ethers in we should be genuine title contenders shouldn't we??? Came close to earning a well deserved point at Man City ? (rofl)Mate this isn't the lottery, its the Premier league, we lost and didn't get any points. We came close to beating them at the Brit, but due only to the ineptitude of Jon Walters, did we draw. We came close to drawing with Liverpool at Anfield, but due to the ineptitude of Jon Walters, we would have drawn. We came close to drawing or beating Norwich at home, but onece again, due to the ineptitude of Jon Walters, we lost. We should have gone up 3-1 against Man U at Old Trafford with 25 minutes left, but, well, you get the point...... don't you ? I'm struggling with your point, given that you contradict yourself by the second line. So it's not the lottery, you can't come close to getting a draw, you either get points or you don't, but there are loads of games where we nearly got results but didn't and that was all down to Jon Walters and nobody else. Erm, what?
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Post by nononsense on Feb 25, 2014 13:37:49 GMT
Came close to earning a well deserved point at Man City ? (rofl)Mate this isn't the lottery, its the Premier league, we lost and didn't get any points. We came close to beating them at the Brit, but due only to the ineptitude of Jon Walters, did we draw. We came close to drawing with Liverpool at Anfield, but due to the ineptitude of Jon Walters, we would have drawn. We came close to drawing or beating Norwich at home, but onece again, due to the ineptitude of Jon Walters, we lost. We should have gone up 3-1 against Man U at Old Trafford with 25 minutes left, but, well, you get the point...... don't you ? I'm struggling with your point, given that you contradict yourself by the second line. So it's not the lottery, you can't come close to getting a draw, you either get points or you don't, but there are loads of games where we nearly got results but didn't and that was all down to Jon Walters and nobody else. Erm, what? Walters, missed a penalty at Liverpool to start his inept season, we lose , no points. Walters, missed 2 sitters against Norwich, we lose no points. Walters, missed 2 unbelievable sitters against Man City, we draw, get 1 point instead of the 3. Walters, missed an unbelievable sitter against Man U at their place that would have put us up 3-1. Don't know if we could have won, but who knows. Those are just the most glaring examples that show just how inept he really is and how he has cost us points in the league
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Post by mcf on Feb 25, 2014 13:59:07 GMT
Hughes has bought in a whole host of forward players and yet continues to play Walters - I actually agree with his inclusion and think he has been a major factor in games where we have picked up points.
Walters is simply being scapegoated for wider issues that we have.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2014 14:05:24 GMT
Hughes has bought in a whole host of forward players and yet continues to play Walters - I actually agree with his inclusion and think he has been a major factor in games where we have picked up points. Walters is simply being scapegoated for wider issues that we have. Has he really, and how many points have we lost because of his inclusion ?, he is not a goat of any sort he does however resemble a hoofed animal with a cross on it's back and big ears usually associated with Blackpool beach.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 25, 2014 14:18:22 GMT
So we just came very close to earning a well deserved point at Citeh. Beat The Shit and Chelski deservedly. And all with ten men. Great news, once we get Ethers in we should be genuine title contenders shouldn't we??? Came close to earning a well deserved point at Man City ? (rofl)Mate this isn't the lottery, its the Premier league, we lost and didn't get any points. We came close to beating them at the Brit, but due only to the ineptitude of Jon Walters, did we draw. We came close to drawing with Liverpool at Anfield, but due to the ineptitude of Jon Walters, we would have drawn. We came close to drawing or beating Norwich at home, but onece again, due to the ineptitude of Jon Walters, we lost. We should have gone up 3-1 against Man U at Old Trafford with 25 minutes left, but, well, you get the point...... don't you ? So you genuinely believe that we play with ten men every time SJW is on the pitch?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 14:44:14 GMT
Have I missed something with this Ethers love in? He was alright about 2 years ago. As ossie is injured Walts is surely first choice. Until we upgrade some of you fail to recognise is he is the best we have at the moment.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2014 14:54:35 GMT
Have I missed something with this Ethers love in? He was alright about 2 years ago. As ossie is injured Walts is surely first choice. Until we upgrade some of you fail to recognise is he is the best we have at the moment. What a depressing thought, he's shit but that's ok because the alternatives are even worse £100 million spent and this is what we have to put up with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 15:14:22 GMT
Have I missed something with this Ethers love in? He was alright about 2 years ago. As ossie is injured Walts is surely first choice. Until we upgrade some of you fail to recognise is he is the best we have at the moment. What a depressing thought, he's shit but that's ok because the alternatives are even worse £100 million spent and this is what we have to put up with. It's the truth, I'm not saying he is a world beater. But there is a reason that he is starting instead of ethers or shea or... shotton! Hopefully not for long if Marko can find some form and Ossie gets fit. Then we have genuine alternatives but if Marko 'goes missing' then the only other plan we have is Walts, so until we sign a pacy wide forward to replace we are going to start with our strongest 11 and that includes Walts. It's pointless saying he missed this chance that chance the other when we have nobody available to take his place and put these chances away. We should be in a champions league spot right now according to the points some claim he has cost us and it's all Johnny Walters fault why we don't win every game every week. Anybody can see our strongest available 11 + subs include Walters. Stick to the Xbox lads.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 25, 2014 15:26:17 GMT
What a depressing thought, he's shit but that's ok because the alternatives are even worse £100 million spent and this is what we have to put up with. It's the truth, I'm not saying he is a world beater. But there is a reason that he is starting instead of ethers or shea or... shotton! Hopefully not for long if Marko can find some form and Ossie gets fit. Then we have genuine alternatives but if Marko 'goes missing' then the only other plan we have is Walts, so until we sign a pacy wide forward to replace we are going to start with our strongest 11 and that includes Walts. It's pointless saying he missed this chance that chance the other when we have nobody available to take his place and put these chances away. We should be in a champions league spot right now according to the points some claim he has cost us and it's all Johnny Walters fault why we don't win every game every week. Anybody can see our strongest available 11 + subs include Walters. Stick to the Xbox lads. Not sure how anyone can argue with that. But I bet they will....
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 25, 2014 15:44:12 GMT
It's the truth, I'm not saying he is a world beater. But there is a reason that he is starting instead of ethers or shea or... shotton! Hopefully not for long if Marko can find some form and Ossie gets fit. Then we have genuine alternatives but if Marko 'goes missing' then the only other plan we have is Walts, so until we sign a pacy wide forward to replace we are going to start with our strongest 11 and that includes Walts. It's pointless saying he missed this chance that chance the other when we have nobody available to take his place and put these chances away. We should be in a champions league spot right now according to the points some claim he has cost us and it's all Johnny Walters fault why we don't win every game every week. Anybody can see our strongest available 11 + subs include Walters. Stick to the Xbox lads. Not sure how anyone can argue with that. But I bet they will.... I don't think anyone would argue that Walters wouldn't be useful to have on the bench. It is having him as a regular starter that people rightly object to because he simply isn't good enough. He has cost us points offensively and defensively, probably more than any other player and he is very lucky to have found 2 managers daft enough to play him every week. In the case of Pulis, given that good alternatives were often available, it has to be because Pulis rated him. I am less convinced that is the case with Hughes who may be of the opinion that it is Walters because we have no-one else. I have reached the point now, as much as I hate to take such a stance with one of our players, that for me it would be almost anyone but Walters. Ethers isn't the player he once was but he will offer just as much as Walters and by virtue of the fact that he can probably still deliver a decent corner, he would offer us a whole lot more. We certainly lost nothing with Ethers coming on for Walters on Saturday. Arnie, Assaidi, Ethers and Odemwingie are all better options than Walters in whatever position you choose for them. Odemwingie and Arnie would be better playing off Crouch than Walters and all 4 of them would be better options as wide players than Walters. His constant stream of missed chances, no matter how easy, really is driving me to distraction. His feeble attempt on the header chance, from a peach of a free-kick from Adam, is just the latest example of his total ineptitude.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 25, 2014 15:49:22 GMT
Not sure how anyone can argue with that. But I bet they will.... I don't think anyone would argue that Walters wouldn't be useful to have on the bench. It is having him as a regular starter that people rightly object to because he simply isn't good enough. He has cost us points offensively and defensively, probably more than any other player and he is very lucky to have found 2 managers daft enough to play him every week. In the case of Pulis, given that good alternatives were often available, it has to be because Pulis rated him. I am less convinced that is the case with Hughes who may be of the opinion that it is Walters because we have no-one else. I have reached the point now, as much as I hate to take such a stance with one of our players, that for me it would be almost anyone but Walters. Ethers isn't the player he once was but he will offer just as much as Walters and by virtue of the fact that he can probably still deliver a decent corner, he would offer us a whole lot more. We certainly lost nothing with Ethers coming on for Walters on Saturday. Arnie, Assaidi, Ethers and Odemwingie are all better options than Walters in whatever position you choose for them. Odemwingie and Arnie would be better playing off Crouch than Walters and all 4 of them would be better options as wide players than Walters. His constant stream of missed chances, no matter how easy, really is driving me to distraction. His feeble attempt on the header chance, from a peach of a free-kick from Adam, is just the latest example of his total ineptitude. I have to disagree with "simply isn't good enough" Dave. Limited, yep. Misses chances, yep. Infuriating at times, yep. Good enough to do a job for a lower to mid table club like us, yep. Should be used off the bench more and in a more central role for sure. But not good enough?? No way. Ultimately until we have better options who can deliver consistently then he has to be in or around the starting team.
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Post by nononsense on Feb 25, 2014 16:10:26 GMT
I don't think anyone would argue that Walters wouldn't be useful to have on the bench. It is having him as a regular starter that people rightly object to because he simply isn't good enough. He has cost us points offensively and defensively, probably more than any other player and he is very lucky to have found 2 managers daft enough to play him every week. In the case of Pulis, given that good alternatives were often available, it has to be because Pulis rated him. I am less convinced that is the case with Hughes who may be of the opinion that it is Walters because we have no-one else. I have reached the point now, as much as I hate to take such a stance with one of our players, that for me it would be almost anyone but Walters. Ethers isn't the player he once was but he will offer just as much as Walters and by virtue of the fact that he can probably still deliver a decent corner, he would offer us a whole lot more. We certainly lost nothing with Ethers coming on for Walters on Saturday. Arnie, Assaidi, Ethers and Odemwingie are all better options than Walters in whatever position you choose for them. Odemwingie and Arnie would be better playing off Crouch than Walters and all 4 of them would be better options as wide players than Walters. His constant stream of missed chances, no matter how easy, really is driving me to distraction. His feeble attempt on the header chance, from a peach of a free-kick from Adam, is just the latest example of his total ineptitude. I have to disagree with "simply isn't good enough" Dave. Limited, yep. Misses chances, yep. Infuriating at times, yep. Good enough to do a job for a lower to mid table club like us, yep. Should be used off the bench more and in a more central role for sure. But not good enough?? No way. Ultimately until we have better options who can deliver consistently then he has to be in or around the starting team. Just what do you think Walters is "good enough" to do for Stoke City ? He doesn't score, especially when he should be and he doesn't help others score, especially when he should be. HE does track back, but to what avail, has he made some aamzing defensive plays that I am not aware of that stopped us from conceding or losing games ? He has been at fault for a few key goals this season. He could be a good late game sub when things need to be stretched out with tiring defenders. But beyond that , he adds nothing to our squad and is more of a liability than asset !
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Post by pez75 on Feb 25, 2014 16:31:24 GMT
Have I missed something with this Ethers love in? He was alright about 2 years ago. As ossie is injured Walts is surely first choice. Until we upgrade some of you fail to recognise is he is the best we have at the moment. Agreed. As much as I think Walters is cack and could do with a spell on the bench, surely Matthew "I lost my bottle 2 yrs ago" Etherington is not the only alternative?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 25, 2014 17:33:17 GMT
I don't think anyone would argue that Walters wouldn't be useful to have on the bench. It is having him as a regular starter that people rightly object to because he simply isn't good enough. He has cost us points offensively and defensively, probably more than any other player and he is very lucky to have found 2 managers daft enough to play him every week. In the case of Pulis, given that good alternatives were often available, it has to be because Pulis rated him. I am less convinced that is the case with Hughes who may be of the opinion that it is Walters because we have no-one else. I have reached the point now, as much as I hate to take such a stance with one of our players, that for me it would be almost anyone but Walters. Ethers isn't the player he once was but he will offer just as much as Walters and by virtue of the fact that he can probably still deliver a decent corner, he would offer us a whole lot more. We certainly lost nothing with Ethers coming on for Walters on Saturday. Arnie, Assaidi, Ethers and Odemwingie are all better options than Walters in whatever position you choose for them. Odemwingie and Arnie would be better playing off Crouch than Walters and all 4 of them would be better options as wide players than Walters. His constant stream of missed chances, no matter how easy, really is driving me to distraction. His feeble attempt on the header chance, from a peach of a free-kick from Adam, is just the latest example of his total ineptitude. I have to disagree with "simply isn't good enough" Dave. Limited, yep. Misses chances, yep. Infuriating at times, yep. Good enough to do a job for a lower to mid table club like us, yep. Should be used off the bench more and in a more central role for sure. But not good enough?? No way. Ultimately until we have better options who can deliver consistently then he has to be in or around the starting team. Each to their own Foxy but I don't see it myself. Not only does he not score goals, he misses golden chances galore. In fact, I would say that the ONLY reason he is in the team right now is because he does actually get himself into good positions to score, hence he misses more chances than anyone else. I can't remember the last chance Crouch missed for example because he doesn't get many. Most of that is because he is so slow and so easy to mark, the chance has gone before he gets anywhere near it. Walters is at least there to miss the chances. That is about the only good thing I can say about him. He is good enough at getting into position and missing chances for sure but he isn't good enough at an awful lot else. As a winger, he isn't particularly good at getting crosses into the box, he doesn't score goals, he doesn't create chances and whilst he runs tirelessly, defensively, he is actually very poor. In the advanced midfield/deep striker role, he isn't very good either. He covers lots of ground but he doesn't generally stop the oppositions deep lying midfielder from starting play and getting forward himself, as his stats show on Saturday (no tackles, no interceptions) he isn't really a destroyer and he still doesn't create chances or score goals. Granted he is more effective in this position than he is wide, but really, that isn't difficult. In and around the team for sure. An option from the bench for sure. Regular starter? Not a cat in hells chance for me. Even with our current limited options we have 2 players who would be more effective, in my opinion, playing off the striker and we have 4 players who would be more effective than him as a winger. I just don't get it. I like Mark Hughes. I think he will do a good job given half a chance and a decent hand to play with but I don't get his continued selection of Walters. He has at least dropped Walters a couple of times but every time this has happened, the player taking his place has got injured himself and Watlers has found himself back in the team in the very next game. He's not the worst player we have ever had and he probably suffers for being a regular when we have spent so much money in the forward department but he isn't even the best of a bad bunch. In fact, he is the worst of a bad bunch and that makes it even more infuriating. Just about the only player I would pick Walters ahead of as a wide man is Brek Shea and that isn't saying a lot.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 25, 2014 17:33:30 GMT
I have to disagree with "simply isn't good enough" Dave. Limited, yep. Misses chances, yep. Infuriating at times, yep. Good enough to do a job for a lower to mid table club like us, yep. Should be used off the bench more and in a more central role for sure. But not good enough?? No way. Ultimately until we have better options who can deliver consistently then he has to be in or around the starting team. Just what do you think Walters is "good enough" to do for Stoke City ? He doesn't score, especially when he should be and he doesn't help others score, especially when he should be. HE does track back, but to what avail, has he made some aamzing defensive plays that I am not aware of that stopped us from conceding or losing games ? He has been at fault for a few key goals this season. He could be a good late game sub when things need to be stretched out with tiring defenders. But beyond that , he adds nothing to our squad and is more of a liability than asset ! So you're admitting to an extreme case of uncontrollable knickerwetting then??? From claiming that playing SJW was like playing with ten men you now say he could be used as a sub. I think that what SJW offers may be what your arguments seem to lack. Consistency.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 25, 2014 17:43:19 GMT
I have to disagree with "simply isn't good enough" Dave. Limited, yep. Misses chances, yep. Infuriating at times, yep. Good enough to do a job for a lower to mid table club like us, yep. Should be used off the bench more and in a more central role for sure. But not good enough?? No way. Ultimately until we have better options who can deliver consistently then he has to be in or around the starting team. Each to their own Foxy but I don't see it myself. Not only does he not score goals, he misses golden chances galore. In fact, I would say that the ONLY reason he is in the team right now is because he does actually get himself into good positions to score, hence he misses more chances than anyone else. I can't remember the last chance Crouch missed for example because he doesn't get many. Most of that is because he is so slow and so easy to mark, the chance has gone before he gets anywhere near it. Walters is at least there to miss the chances. That is about the only good thing I can say about him. He is good enough at getting into position and missing chances for sure but he isn't good enough at an awful lot else. As a winger, he isn't particularly good at getting crosses into the box, he doesn't score goals, he doesn't create chances and whilst he runs tirelessly, defensively, he is actually very poor. In the advanced midfield/deep striker role, he isn't very good either. He covers lots of ground but he doesn't generally stop the oppositions deep lying midfielder from starting play and getting forward himself, as his stats show on Saturday (no tackles, no interceptions) he isn't really a destroyer and he still doesn't create chances or score goals. Granted he is more effective in this position than he is wide, but really, that isn't difficult. In and around the team for sure. An option from the bench for sure. Regular starter? Not a cat in hells chance for me. Even with our current limited options we have 2 players who would be more effective, in my opinion, playing off the striker and we have 4 players who would be more effective than him as a winger. I just don't get it. I like Mark Hughes. I think he will do a good job given half a chance and a decent hand to play with but I don't get his continued selection of Walters. He has at least dropped Walters a couple of times but every time this has happened, the player taking his place has got injured himself and Watlers has found himself back in the team in the very next game. He's not the worst player we have ever had and he probably suffers for being a regular when we have spent so much money in the forward department but he isn't even the best of a bad bunch. In fact, he is the worst of a bad bunch and that makes it even more infuriating. Just about the only player I would pick Walters ahead of as a wide man is Brek Shea and that isn't saying a lot. I think we can agree to disagree to a certain extent. I admit I'm a fan of the grafters who make the most of limited ability by virtue of greater heart and desire. SJW offers a physical presence with stamina and guts which, for me, compensates for his technical shortcomings. If we could splice Arnie and SJW we may end up with a Frankensteins monster of a top class winger. That said, knowing Stoke, we'd get a non-English speaking lazy fecker with terrible ball control and the strike rate of Dave Bamber.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 17:50:53 GMT
If we could splice Arnie and SJW we may end up with a Frankensteins monster of a top class winger. That said, knowing Stoke, we'd get a non-English speaking lazy fecker with terrible ball control and the strike rate of Dave Bamber. Hannes Siggurdsson?
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 25, 2014 18:38:20 GMT
I think this thread just shows how hard it is to shake off the Pulis indoctrination of 'work 'aaaard'. Unfortunately some of our more mentally challenged fans will never do so.
Walters is a poor PL player.
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Post by owdestokie on Feb 25, 2014 18:57:02 GMT
I think this thread just shows how hard it is to shake off the Pulis indoctrination of 'work 'aaaard'. Unfortunately some of our more mentally challenged fans will never do so. Walters is a poor PL player. Just call me mentally challenged if I appreciate players "working aaaard" for the team and it's supporters.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 25, 2014 18:58:42 GMT
I think this thread just shows how hard it is to shake off the Pulis indoctrination of 'work 'aaaard'. Unfortunately some of our more mentally challenged fans will never do so. Walters is a poor PL player. Just call me mentally challenged if I appreciate players "working aaaard" for the team and it's supporters. I N D O C T R I N A T I O N
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2014 18:59:01 GMT
Just what do you think Walters is "good enough" to do for Stoke City ? He doesn't score, especially when he should be and he doesn't help others score, especially when he should be. HE does track back, but to what avail, has he made some aamzing defensive plays that I am not aware of that stopped us from conceding or losing games ? He has been at fault for a few key goals this season. He could be a good late game sub when things need to be stretched out with tiring defenders. But beyond that , he adds nothing to our squad and is more of a liability than asset ! So you're admitting to an extreme case of uncontrollable knickerwetting then??? From claiming that playing SJW was like playing with ten men you now say he could be used as a sub. I think that what SJW offers may be what your arguments seem to lack. Consistency. I have to agree SJW is consistent, consistently poor.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 25, 2014 18:59:56 GMT
I think this thread just shows how hard it is to shake off the Pulis indoctrination of 'work 'aaaard'. Unfortunately some of our more mentally challenged fans will never do so. Walters is a poor PL player. Does this mean MH is mentally challenged too???
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