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Post by StokieAsh13 on Feb 23, 2014 0:06:24 GMT
His work rate is commendable, however his ability to score, create & beat a man are quite shocking if we are all being honest.
I can see why Hughes is picking him, as it allows Adam to be in that midfield 2. However it points out the question whether you want a midfield 2 of Adam/Whelan with Walters in front, or Whelan/Zonzi with Adam in front??
I cant blame Walters for being picked however he does put a lot more pressure on our attacking players as they have to compensate some of ability he lacks at times.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 23, 2014 8:32:43 GMT
Sorry, forgot Bego. SJW should IMO be in a central attacking role behind a genuine centre forward. He's not a winger and never will be....the fact that he's played so much there is down to the general shiteness of the alternatives. Yet again today he showed what a thoroughly annoying opponent he is as he buzzed around his far more talented opponents like a persistent wasp. I love him i do. He was signed as a winger by Tiny Penis from Ipswich, are you questioning the capped one's ability to pick a player. Ahhhhh....the agenda is revealed. Pulis has gone....why the obsession????
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 23, 2014 9:05:44 GMT
I will stop short of slagging off his performance or asking what he actually brings to the team because no doubt others will feel obliged to tell us all but I haven't seen any mention of yet another crucial miss from him where it was actually harder to do what he did than it was to score. Can anyone recall his free header from about 7 yards out midway through the first half? Yet another in the collection of absolute sitters this joke of a player has missed. He must have cost us at least 10 points if not more, this season. Walters and his catalogue of misses is getting a little bit beyond a joke now. I took my 6 year old today and when we came out of the ground to meet mummy who was waiting for us in the car, his first words were "Daddy is right Mummy. I am better than Super Johnny Walters. He's rubbish". What a f*cking bore you are! All kids say what their parents say. My daughter has the same views as myself .
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 23, 2014 9:15:04 GMT
I will stop short of slagging off his performance or asking what he actually brings to the team because no doubt others will feel obliged to tell us all but I haven't seen any mention of yet another crucial miss from him where it was actually harder to do what he did than it was to score. Can anyone recall his free header from about 7 yards out midway through the first half? Yet another in the collection of absolute sitters this joke of a player has missed. He must have cost us at least 10 points if not more, this season. Walters and his catalogue of misses is getting a little bit beyond a joke now. I took my 6 year old today and when we came out of the ground to meet mummy who was waiting for us in the car, his first words were "Daddy is right Mummy. I am better than Super Johnny Walters. He's rubbish". What a f*cking bore you are! All kids say what their parents say. My daughter has the same views as myself I love Stoke City. My boy prefers Burnley. You obviously don't bring your children up to have a mind of their own. I can't stand Crouch. My boy likes him. On to more serious matters, I guess you thought it was a great effort at goal by Walters. More likely, given you probably only saw it on MOTD, you haven't seen the chance at all
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 23, 2014 9:19:16 GMT
It was hardly a sitter, I struggled to remember what you were on about but my daughter reminded me, it seems that MOTD don't share your opinion either as they've not even shown it.
BTW,I hope Daddy gave Mummy a big kiss.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 23, 2014 9:24:47 GMT
What a f*cking bore you are! All kids say what their parents say. My daughter has the same views as myself I love Stoke City. My boy prefers Burnley. You obviously don't bring your children up to have a mind of their own. I can't stand Crouch. My boy likes him. On to more serious matters, I guess you thought it was a great effort at goal by Walters. More likely, given you probably only saw it on MOTD, you haven't seen it a You really are a prick, I went yesterday and went to Newcastle, Chelsea and 8 others while you moaners couldn't be arsed. If you fancy it I'll show you my tickets.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 23, 2014 9:24:45 GMT
There was at least a couple of occasions yesterday where he scampered away with the ball, on each occasion the Man City player chasing him simply brushed him aside extremely easily and made off with the ball, it was like a Dad taking a ball off his kid it was that easy.
If we go down his continued selection will have been a major contributing factor.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 23, 2014 9:25:44 GMT
It was hardly a sitter, I struggled to remember what you were on about but my daughter reminded me, it seems that MOTD don't share your opinion either as they've not ever shown it. BTW,I hope Daddy gave Mummy a big kiss. Don't be stupid. We lost. Daddy didn't say a word all night. He just sulked.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 23, 2014 9:27:21 GMT
I love Stoke City. My boy prefers Burnley. You obviously don't bring your children up to have a mind of their own. I can't stand Crouch. My boy likes him. On to more serious matters, I guess you thought it was a great effort at goal by Walters. More likely, given you probably only saw it on MOTD, you haven't seen it a You really are a prick, I went yesterday and went to Newcastle, Chelsea 8 others while you moaners couldn't be arsed. If you fancy it I'll show you my tickets. How can you have been there and not remember the chance. Fair play for going to Newcastle on Boxing Day. Even I wasn't that stupid!
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 23, 2014 9:28:19 GMT
What a f*cking bore you are! All kids say what their parents say. My daughter has the same views as myself More likely, given you probably only saw it on MOTD, you haven't seen it a ?????????
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 23, 2014 9:34:31 GMT
More likely, given you probably only saw it on MOTD, you haven't seen it a ????????? I had problems with the quote box but that is what the edit function is for!
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Post by meladben on Feb 23, 2014 9:35:08 GMT
For me the SJW issues confuse people because he is probably one of the hardest workers on a football pitch in the division for that reason some supporters will defend him,on the other side of the coin you've got a bloke who plays in the final third of the pitch for 99.99% of the time and his ability to finish is as piss poor as it gets
in summary workrate = 100% ability = 1 %
hence the fact support is divided 50/50 .....ish
so there in lies the problem .....it's a maths thing
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 9:36:34 GMT
It's the work he does OFF the ball. That's what i always said when i was crap at football. I admire his work rate, energy and commitment. Walters is a player who i think that managers pick based on a couple of things; his energy and they can trust him. The latter is an asset which i know was very important for our previous manager and was clearly important for Trapattoni, now for Hughes as well Keane & O'Neill. As a gaffer you want a player who you can give instructions to and be totally confident that player will stick to their task, run themselves into the ground and give 100%. Walters never gives any less than 100% and we all know that. It's then all about his ability as a footballer. That's the issue, Jon isn't a very good footballer unfortunately. I've quoted this before and i'll quote it again because i like repeating myself. John Acres at half-time during Walters' debut way back when said this on the radio "I don't understand why Jon Walters has been bought because he has no pace, hasn't got a trick like Fuller has and isn't a natural goalscorer" That's the problem, his workmanlike qualities are obvious but that's not enough anymore, for me anyway or indded for Stoke City looking forward. Presently it seems that even people who don't want to pick him would pick him week in week out because of our league position and he's actually important to us with our lack of strength in depth. In summer we need to get some new players in and ease Walters into being a squad player. That's just my take on it like. It's bloody annoying when moments occur like yesterday and indeed every game when he gets the ball as our outlet, "runs" with it and you know he's not going to keep it or even win a throw in or a free-kick. As for moments when he's in the opposition box, he gets opportunities and is terrible, he acts like a goalkeeper would if he was playing as a striker. Doesn't know how to attack a crossed ball with his feet or his head and if the ball falls to his feet in the penalty area he looks so shocked and nervous that he's almost relieved when the defender takes the ball from him.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 23, 2014 9:40:36 GMT
On to more serious matters, I guess you thought it was a great effort at goal by Walters. More likely, given you probably only saw it on MOTD, you haven't seen the chance at all Still makes no sense, have I seen it or not?
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Post by RAF on Feb 23, 2014 9:42:36 GMT
He's neither Shite nor Super. Nothing else to discuss about the extremely average player.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 23, 2014 9:59:45 GMT
He's neither Shite nor Super. Nothing else to discuss about the extremely average player. H In an extremely average team in an extremely average league. Makes you wonder why, in this sea of averageness, Walters is the go to whipping boy. I think most of us can see that certain posters with an irrational hatred of SJW had similar feelings for a certain ex manager. And that, as they say, is that.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 23, 2014 10:04:18 GMT
On to more serious matters, I guess you thought it was a great effort at goal by Walters. More likely, given you probably only saw it on MOTD, you haven't seen the chance at all Still makes no sense, have I seen it or not? I have no idea. If you were at the game as you say you were then you have to have seen it. If you watched MOTD, then you won't have done because as usual, MOTD coverage is half arsed and bears no reflection of the game that has taken place most of the time. You keep burying your head in the sand though. You're like a manager trying to deflect away how shit his team is. Just keep waffling on about anything and everything, however minor it may be, to distract from the main issue at hand. Walters missed yet another easy chance and we are currently 3 points off the drop zone having not picked up the points our play has often deserved. If that isn't worth talking about then there really is very little point in you frequenting this forum.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 23, 2014 10:14:59 GMT
Still makes no sense, have I seen it or not? I have no idea. If you were at the game as you say you were then you have to have seen it. If you watched MOTD, then you won't have done because as usual, MOTD coverage is half arsed and bears no reflection of the game that has taken place most of the time. You keep burying your head in the sand though. You're like a manager trying to deflect away how shit his team is. Just keep waffling on about anything and everything, however minor it may be, to distract from the main issue at hand. Walters missed yet another easy chance and we are currently 3 points off the drop zone having not picked up the points our play has often deserved. If that isn't worth talking about then there really is very little point in you frequenting this forum. I think Foxy's post sums the situation up quite nicely. Waffling on about minor points? Sounds a bit like your weekly anti-SJW threads. You search every week to find something to slag Walters with, yet you think Palacios did well, when he was clearly partly to blame for their goal. The reason we're 3 points off the drop zone is, because Hughes continues to make ridiculous substitutions. If you can't see that, then your Saturday's would be better if you joined Mummy in doing the shopping.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 23, 2014 10:16:34 GMT
Still makes no sense, have I seen it or not? I have no idea. If you were at the game as you say you were then you have to have seen it. If you watched MOTD, then you won't have done because as usual, MOTD coverage is half arsed and bears no reflection of the game that has taken place most of the time. You keep burying your head in the sand though. You're like a manager trying to deflect away how shit his team is. Just keep waffling on about anything and everything, however minor it may be, to distract from the main issue at hand. Walters missed yet another easy chance and we are currently 3 points off the drop zone having not picked up the points our play has often deserved. If that isn't worth talking about then there really is very little point in you frequenting this forum. Arguing with these people who can actually 'see' the 'Emperors New Clothes' is very much like arguing with a pigeon. You can be as good as you like but at some point they'll just peck over your king and strut about like they've won
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Feb 23, 2014 10:22:31 GMT
Who else would you play in the hole? I don't rate the player but he does what he does and sadly he is in the side for his defensive qualities in an advanced midfield/deep striker role. Without a player who works incredibly hard we would not be able to have Charlie Adam in the side in a position he excels, and the last time I looked, he was our top scorer. Take him out and put Arnie there (a player I really rate) and you wouldn't get away with Adam in midfield. Same with Ireland in the hole. Modern day football, sadly, is all about balance and trade offs and so forth. One player in a certain position compliments another etc etc. We need a forward who grafts and can score. We also need a CEO and Technical Director that aren't so addicted to Pizza and an owner that hasn't lost sight of the cheque book to afford a player of such ilk! It isn't sad that football is a team game - it always has been. Walters set up Adams for Stoke's best effort on goal as he did for our winner against ManU Walters does allow Adam to play and will continue in that position until we have a better option. Ireland is an obvious alternative and a talented number 10. Just watch Ireland's performance when he came on - negligible impact apart from missing our best chance of the second half
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 23, 2014 10:23:08 GMT
I have no idea. If you were at the game as you say you were then you have to have seen it. If you watched MOTD, then you won't have done because as usual, MOTD coverage is half arsed and bears no reflection of the game that has taken place most of the time. You keep burying your head in the sand though. You're like a manager trying to deflect away how shit his team is. Just keep waffling on about anything and everything, however minor it may be, to distract from the main issue at hand. Walters missed yet another easy chance and we are currently 3 points off the drop zone having not picked up the points our play has often deserved. If that isn't worth talking about then there really is very little point in you frequenting this forum. I think Foxy's post sums the situation up quite nicely. Waffling on about minor points? Sounds a bit like your weekly anti-SJW threads. You search every week to find something to slag Walters with, yet you think Palacios did well, when he was clearly partly to blame for their goal. The reason we're 3 points off the drop zone is, because Hughes continues to make ridiculous substitutions. If you can't see that, then your Saturday's would be better if you joined Mummy in doing the shopping. I don't have to search very hard to find something to slag Walters for in all honesty but I generally don't bother as I'm more pre-occupied with slating fans favourite Geoff Cameron who was way more at fault for yesterday's goal than Palacios. I have also said that the decision to take Arnie off, no matter who came on for him, was a crazy one. There is none so blind as those who will not see. The fact that we are unable to score goals regularly from forward positions has more to do with our current position than any issue with substitutions be they good or bad so perhaps it is you who ought to do something else with his Saturday's. As for shopping with my Mrs, you couldn't be more wrong. She wasn't shopping yesterday. She was visiting friends in Didsbury, hence she picked us up after the game.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 23, 2014 10:33:35 GMT
I have no idea. If you were at the game as you say you were then you have to have seen it. If you watched MOTD, then you won't have done because as usual, MOTD coverage is half arsed and bears no reflection of the game that has taken place most of the time. You keep burying your head in the sand though. You're like a manager trying to deflect away how shit his team is. Just keep waffling on about anything and everything, however minor it may be, to distract from the main issue at hand. Walters missed yet another easy chance and we are currently 3 points off the drop zone having not picked up the points our play has often deserved. If that isn't worth talking about then there really is very little point in you frequenting this forum. Arguing with these people who can actually 'see' the 'Emporors New Clothes' is very much like arguing with a pigeon. You can be as good as you like but at some point they'll just peck over your king and strut about like they've won Did you mean Emperor's rather than Emporors? As you said, "it's like arguing with pigeons".
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Post by elystokie on Feb 23, 2014 10:34:31 GMT
Arguing with these people who can actually 'see' the 'Emporors New Clothes' is very much like arguing with a pigeon. You can be as good as you like but at some point they'll just peck over your king and strut about like they've won ;) Did you mean Emperor's rather than Emporors? As you said, "it's like arguing with pigeons". Look again.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 23, 2014 10:37:07 GMT
Did you mean Emperor's rather than Emporors? As you said, "it's like arguing with pigeons". Look again. You've still missed the apostrophe out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 10:39:36 GMT
Just watched football first and didn't,t see this Walter,s chance. Must admit I fast forwarded through some of it. This Palacios guy is another waste of time, but I must say, a rather weak challenge by Cameron was the major fault in letting them get in a position to get the ball across for Toure,s goal. Dzeko also missed a sitter. All in all though, we,ve got to be thankful that we didn't get the usual scoreline hammering by City. I still maintain that Walter,s is not good enough, and nothing will change my mind about him, but to be quite honest, we do need better in the squad as a whole. It is not very good IMHO.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 23, 2014 10:41:20 GMT
You've still missed the apostrophe out. Ah yes, the possessive apostrophe, well spotted. Let's hope your spelling and grammar is perfect from now on eh? Not that I'll be watching... The point stands, whether it's (mis)spelt or not.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 23, 2014 10:44:24 GMT
One question do you really consider Walters good enough to be an almost permanent starter in a Premiership team. Answer: why isn't Benitez managing us? Everyone in the Costa told me it was a done deal. And the answer to my question is , a question about Benitez , says it all really.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Feb 23, 2014 10:45:55 GMT
Who else would you play in the hole? I don't rate the player but he does what he does and sadly he is in the side for his defensive qualities in an advanced midfield/deep striker role. Without a player who works incredibly hard we would not be able to have Charlie Adam in the side in a position he excels, and the last time I looked, he was our top scorer. Take him out and put Arnie there (a player I really rate) and you wouldn't get away with Adam in midfield. Same with Ireland in the hole. Modern day football, sadly, is all about balance and trade offs and so forth. One player in a certain position compliments another etc etc. We need a forward who grafts and can score. We also need a CEO and Technical Director that aren't so addicted to Pizza and an owner that hasn't lost sight of the cheque book to afford a player of such ilk! It isn't sad that football is a team game - it always has been. Walters set up Adams for Stoke's best effort on goal as he did for our winner against ManU Walters does allow Adam to play and will continue in that position until we have a better option. Ireland is an obvious alternative and a talented number 10. Just watch Ireland's performance when he came on - negligible impact apart from missing our best chance of the second half Was Arnie mate not Walters.
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Post by RAF on Feb 23, 2014 10:56:31 GMT
He's neither Shite nor Super. Nothing else to discuss about the extremely average player. H In an extremely average team in an extremely average league. Makes you wonder why, in this sea of averageness, Walters is the go to whipping boy. I think most of us can see that certain posters with an irrational hatred of SJW had similar feelings for a certain ex manager. And that, as they say, is that. Maybe because of some of his tragic misses? The thing is with Walters is that he will always be a measuring stick for those who appreciate effort over skill. You will find Arnie has had as much shite off the fans who lean towards our previous manager , the same fans that defend Walters to the hilt and it's the complete opposite for those who disliked TP. Obviously there are those who sit in the middle of it all , but in the main it's just point scoring on a messageboard. H
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 23, 2014 10:58:00 GMT
He was signed as a winger by Tiny Penis from Ipswich, are you questioning the capped one's ability to pick a player. Ahhhhh....the agenda is revealed. Pulis has gone....why the obsession???? Agenda ?, I was pointing out that the best manager we have had since TW signed Walters as a winger, now some are defending Walters with the excuse he is not a winger
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