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Post by crapslinger on Feb 23, 2014 11:15:35 GMT
Not sure if that is to be taken as a compliment from someone as obviously retarded as yourself, you are seriously weird. My ribs are aching . One four lettered word beginning with T, ends with T and includes a W and A , a perfect description. Take a look in the mirror and all becomes clear I never said you were a TWAT but as you point out describes you perfectly.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 23, 2014 12:06:13 GMT
Ahhhhh....the agenda is revealed. Pulis has gone....why the obsession???? Agenda ?, I was pointing out that the best manager we have had since TW signed Walters as a winger, now some are defending Walters with the excuse he is not a winger Yeah, of course you were.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Feb 23, 2014 12:27:57 GMT
It isn't sad that football is a team game - it always has been. Walters set up Adams for Stoke's best effort on goal as he did for our winner against ManU Walters does allow Adam to play and will continue in that position until we have a better option. Ireland is an obvious alternative and a talented number 10. Just watch Ireland's performance when he came on - negligible impact apart from missing our best chance of the second half Was Arnie mate not Walters. Yes you are correct - but Walters did set up one shot then stepped away....
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 23, 2014 12:32:33 GMT
Agenda ?, I was pointing out that the best manager we have had since TW signed Walters as a winger, now some are defending Walters with the excuse he is not a winger Yeah, of course you were. Yeah and I am correct and you know it as well.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 23, 2014 12:34:33 GMT
Was Arnie mate not Walters. Yes you are correct - but Walters did set up one shot then stepped away.... That's ok then another huge contribution from Walters to yesterday's performance.
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Post by RAF on Feb 23, 2014 12:44:25 GMT
Was Arnie mate not Walters. Yes you are correct - but Walters did set up one shot then stepped away.... Desperate. H
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 23, 2014 12:58:58 GMT
So why do successive managers pick him... i'd rather Walters than show ponies like Arnautovic... Walters has been a great servant... and all that bollocks. I agree, it is bollocks. God help us if we have to rely on goals from him to keep us up. At least a show pony as something occasionally to show!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 23, 2014 13:03:55 GMT
His work rate is commendable, however his ability to score, create & beat a man are quite shocking if we are all being honest.
I can see why Hughes is picking him, as it allows Adam to be in that midfield 2. However it points out the question whether you want a midfield 2 of Adam/Whelan with Walters in front, or Whelan/Zonzi with Adam in front??
I cant blame Walters for being picked however he does put a lot more pressure on our attacking players as they have to compensate some of ability he lacks at times.
Walters every time.
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 23, 2014 13:13:04 GMT
Facts of life - 1. Its all Tony Pulis' fault. 2. If you cant blame it on him any longer blame Jonny Walters. ....just when you think people might have moved on. Very very sad. I don't think you can comment on how poeple should move on.
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Post by jarhead on Feb 23, 2014 13:13:29 GMT
I will stop short of slagging off his performance or asking what he actually brings to the team because no doubt others will feel obliged to tell us all but I haven't seen any mention of yet another crucial miss from him where it was actually harder to do what he did than it was to score. Can anyone recall his free header from about 7 yards out midway through the first half? Yet another in the collection of absolute sitters this joke of a player has missed. He must have cost us at least 10 points if not more, this season. Walters and his catalogue of misses is getting a little bit beyond a joke now. I took my 6 year old today and when we came out of the ground to meet mummy who was waiting for us in the car, his first words were "Daddy is right Mummy. I am better than Super Johnny Walters. He's rubbish". Spot on. He ducked out the way of it the born bottler! It was a good chance but as usual he made a pigs ear of it!
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 23, 2014 13:17:26 GMT
It's not a surprise that love to love tp you love Walters, they obviously don't like football or footballers.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 23, 2014 20:00:54 GMT
It's not a surprise that love to love tp you love Walters, they obviously don't like football or footballers. I typed that into a double Dutch translator and it came out as "I hate TP so i must hate SJW". Which was interesting but not entirely unexpected.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 23, 2014 20:09:49 GMT
It's not a surprise that love to love tp you love Walters, they obviously don't like football or footballers. I typed that into a double Dutch translator and it came out as "I hate TP so i must hate SJW". Which was interesting but not entirely unexpected. How does that work what has TP got to do with Walters being a god awful footballer, the only link is that he bought him here in the first place rightly or wrongly played him every game possible, MH has also committed the same mistake so I can not fathom your logic on this. Most stats appear to indicate that at the skills required to be a decent footballer Walters does not meet the required acceptable standard, however he does run about a lot so that must be why he is picked week in week out .
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Post by harryburrows on Feb 23, 2014 20:47:24 GMT
I typed that into a double Dutch translator and it came out as "I hate TP so i must hate SJW". Which was interesting but not entirely unexpected. How does that work what has TP got to do with Walters being a god awful footballer, the only link is that he bought him here in the first place rightly or wrongly played him every game possible, MH has also committed the same mistake so I can not fathom your logic on this. Most stats appear to indicate that at the skills required to be a decent footballer Walters does not meet the required acceptable standard, however he does run about a lot so that must be why he is picked week in week out . Picking a player week in week out by 2 different experienced managers can hardly be described as a mistake
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Post by kerouac on Feb 23, 2014 20:51:53 GMT
There was at least a couple of occasions yesterday where he scampered away with the ball, on each occasion the Man City player chasing him simply brushed him aside extremely easily and made off with the ball, it was like a Dad taking a ball off his kid it was that easy. If we go down his continued selection will have been a major contributing factor. Oh how i love those runs out of the box,they are fucking hilarious!! He's like that pain in the arse kid at school who couldnt play football but loved trying to join in the game only to run off as fast as he could with the ball,throwing a cheeky glance over his shoulder,subsequently caught very easily and hey presto,the ball was back with the big boys with barely a whimper from the kid who couldn't actually play football.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 23, 2014 20:54:54 GMT
How does that work what has TP got to do with Walters being a god awful footballer, the only link is that he bought him here in the first place rightly or wrongly played him every game possible, MH has also committed the same mistake so I can not fathom your logic on this. Most stats appear to indicate that at the skills required to be a decent footballer Walters does not meet the required acceptable standard, however he does run about a lot so that must be why he is picked week in week out . Picking a player week in week out by 2 different experienced managers can hardly be described as a mistake It can in my opinion a massive mistake especially the last two seasons, I believe he has cost us more points than he has earned for us, in my book that constitutes a mistake which is still on going.
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Post by banburypotter on Feb 24, 2014 0:21:35 GMT
Well, if he's as good as some of you say, then we will undoubtedly lose him at the end of the season, when lots of clubs will be lining up to sign him.
Meanwhile, in the real world, he would not play anywhere near the amount of games for some other team, that he does for us. I have no idea why he gets picked week in week out, but it's just bloody annoying that he does.
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Post by jarvinski on Feb 24, 2014 9:41:05 GMT
We sign odemwingie, a quick reasonable successful goalscorer, then play him on the wing and put the hapless sjw up front with crouch, why? Walters still misses sitters and doesn't track back like he used to and Winnie is stuck out on the wing where sjw has been all season, he has proved he can run on to a good weighted pass and score, sometimes I wonder what goes on in sparky's head
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 24, 2014 10:00:04 GMT
Another amazing vision on Walters contribution according to Fourfourtwo Positives 50% of his clearances were successful 75% pass success rate 1 attempt assist
Negatives 100% arial duels lost 1 attempt to take on player failed 50% of clearances failed 0 Tackles made 6 forward passes attempted only two successful
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Post by thevoid on Feb 24, 2014 10:11:58 GMT
After much deliberation and analysis of footage and Opta stats, I've come to the conclusion that he's wank.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Feb 24, 2014 10:25:42 GMT
I'd hope for some combination of Arnie, Crouch and Odemwingie against Arsenal, backed up by Adam, Whelan and N'Zonzi in midfield. Off then bench we have Ireland, Walters and Guidetti to offer fresh legs but I really think we need to drop Walters for the next few games. It'll be interesting to see if Hughes feels the same.
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 24, 2014 13:12:44 GMT
It's not a surprise that love to love tp you love Walters, they obviously don't like football or footballers. I typed that into a double Dutch translator and it came out as "I hate TP so i must hate SJW". Which was interesting but not entirely unexpected. Nice one.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 24, 2014 13:18:51 GMT
I'd hope for some combination of Arnie, Crouch and Odemwingie against Arsenal, backed up by Adam, Whelan and N'Zonzi in midfield. Off then bench we have Ireland, Walters and Guidetti to offer fresh legs but I really think we need to drop Walters for the next few games. It'll be interesting to see if Hughes feels the same. As would I but we seem to have opted for the 4-4-1-1 formation again and from Hughes comments at the weekend, that isn't going to change. With that in mind, I would go Odemwingie in behind Crouch with Arnie on one wing and Ethers or if fit, Assaidi on the other.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 13:52:58 GMT
I will stop short of slagging off his performance or asking what he actually brings to the team because no doubt others will feel obliged to tell us all but I haven't seen any mention of yet another crucial miss from him where it was actually harder to do what he did than it was to score. Can anyone recall his free header from about 7 yards out midway through the first half? Yet another in the collection of absolute sitters this joke of a player has missed. He must have cost us at least 10 points if not more, this season. Walters and his catalogue of misses is getting a little bit beyond a joke now. I took my 6 year old today and when we came out of the ground to meet mummy who was waiting for us in the car, his first words were "Daddy is right Mummy. I am better than Super Johnny Walters. He's rubbish". Who would you play instead?
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Feb 24, 2014 13:57:56 GMT
I'd hope for some combination of Arnie, Crouch and Odemwingie against Arsenal, backed up by Adam, Whelan and N'Zonzi in midfield. Off then bench we have Ireland, Walters and Guidetti to offer fresh legs but I really think we need to drop Walters for the next few games. It'll be interesting to see if Hughes feels the same. As would I but we seem to have opted for the 4-4-1-1 formation again and from Hughes comments at the weekend, that isn't going to change. With that in mind, I would go Odemwingie in behind Crouch with Arnie on one wing and Ethers or if fit, Assaidi on the other. I'd rather strengthen in midfield DJ as opposed to using Ethers. Arnie and Odemwingie can tuck in and go wide, with Adam playing at the front of a midfield trio.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 14:01:03 GMT
I will stop short of slagging off his performance or asking what he actually brings to the team because no doubt others will feel obliged to tell us all but I haven't seen any mention of yet another crucial miss from him where it was actually harder to do what he did than it was to score. Can anyone recall his free header from about 7 yards out midway through the first half? Yet another in the collection of absolute sitters this joke of a player has missed. He must have cost us at least 10 points if not more, this season. Walters and his catalogue of misses is getting a little bit beyond a joke now. I took my 6 year old today and when we came out of the ground to meet mummy who was waiting for us in the car, his first words were "Daddy is right Mummy. I am better than Super Johnny Walters. He's rubbish". Who would you play instead? Edit as above! Ossie is injured and ethers is nowhere near 90 minutes so who would you pick.
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Post by jstoke7 on Feb 24, 2014 14:32:48 GMT
Another amazing vision on Walters contribution according to Fourfourtwo Positives 50% of his clearances were successful 75% pass success rate 1 attempt assist Negatives 100% arial duels lost 1 attempt to take on player failed 50% of clearances failed 0 Tackles made 6 forward passes attempted only two successful Quality. I've stopped getting annoyed at Walters now and just accept that he's going to give away the ball, fail to beat his man, and be about as exciting as watching paint dry. I know all about players making space and providing for others, but I just can't see it with Walters, there is so little to justify his inclusion IMO. On top of this, we hardly even know what the team would be like without Walters in it, it's only happened a handful of times over the last 2-3 years, so how people can argue against dropping him when he scores/assists/completes so little is baffling. EDIT: I thought he did well against Chelsea, but that was more brute strength against Azpilicueta than anything.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 24, 2014 14:58:13 GMT
Another amazing vision on Walters contribution according to Fourfourtwo Positives 50% of his clearances were successful 75% pass success rate 1 attempt assist Negatives 100% arial duels lost 1 attempt to take on player failed 50% of clearances failed 0 Tackles made 6 forward passes attempted only two successful Quality. I've stopped getting annoyed at Walters now and just accept that he's going to give away the ball, fail to beat his man, and be about as exciting as watching paint dry. I know all about players making space and providing for others, but I just can't see it with Walters, there is so little to justify his inclusion IMO. On top of this, we hardly even know what the team would be like without Walters in it, it's only happened a handful of times over the last 2-3 years, so how people can argue against dropping him when he scores/assists/completes so little is baffling. EDIT: I thought he did well against Chelsea, but that was more brute strength against Azpilicueta than anything. So all you need to do well against one of the leagues top teams is brute strength?? Of course!!! How simple.....glad you've cracked it. I wonder is Hulk Hogan available on a Bosman??
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 24, 2014 14:59:05 GMT
I will stop short of slagging off his performance or asking what he actually brings to the team because no doubt others will feel obliged to tell us all but I haven't seen any mention of yet another crucial miss from him where it was actually harder to do what he did than it was to score. Can anyone recall his free header from about 7 yards out midway through the first half? Yet another in the collection of absolute sitters this joke of a player has missed. He must have cost us at least 10 points if not more, this season. Walters and his catalogue of misses is getting a little bit beyond a joke now. I took my 6 year old today and when we came out of the ground to meet mummy who was waiting for us in the car, his first words were "Daddy is right Mummy. I am better than Super Johnny Walters. He's rubbish". Who would you play instead? Much would depend on the opposition but I think we have better options than Walters in whatever position he has played. In the wide positions, I would play Arnie, Assaidi, Etherington or Odemwinge ahead of him In the position behind Crouch, I would play Arnie or Odemwingie ahead of him. Depends on who is fit and what shape the manager wants the team to take. Walters has uses for sure. At home against Arsenal for example is taylor made for Walters but away from home or against teams of similar ability to us, Walters simply isn't good enough. For example, when Arnie went off on Saturday, Hughes opted to bring Palacios on subsequently moving Walters out to the left and shifting Adam a bit further forward in support of Crouch. For me, I would have just put Etherington there because he is better than Walters. For example, if you take Saturday again, I would have started with creative/forward players as follows; Ethers left, Arnie right, Odemwingie in behind Crouch...No Walters.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 24, 2014 15:19:05 GMT
As would I but we seem to have opted for the 4-4-1-1 formation again and from Hughes comments at the weekend, that isn't going to change. With that in mind, I would go Odemwingie in behind Crouch with Arnie on one wing and Ethers or if fit, Assaidi on the other. I'd rather strengthen in midfield DJ as opposed to using Ethers. Arnie and Odemwingie can tuck in and go wide, with Adam playing at the front of a midfield trio. Adam has been playing well in a midfield 2 though and based on what Hughes said at the weekend, the current formation is one that the players are comfortable with, are happy with and he intimated that it wasn't going to change any time soon. Given that this seems to be the preferred formation for the time being, then bolstering the midfield isn't an option so for Saturday, I would go with Ethers on the left, Arnie on the right and Odemwingie in the middle. He is certainly working hard enough to give us everything that Walters does and so much more. Arnie and Odemwingie also have the nous to interchange where necessary as well. That would be my choice given that Assaidi is injured. If bolstering the midfield was what you wanted to see then just stick Ireland in the Walters position and leave Adam where he is.
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