|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 22, 2014 22:09:39 GMT
I will stop short of slagging off his performance or asking what he actually brings to the team because no doubt others will feel obliged to tell us all but I haven't seen any mention of yet another crucial miss from him where it was actually harder to do what he did than it was to score.
Can anyone recall his free header from about 7 yards out midway through the first half? Yet another in the collection of absolute sitters this joke of a player has missed. He must have cost us at least 10 points if not more, this season.
Walters and his catalogue of misses is getting a little bit beyond a joke now. I took my 6 year old today and when we came out of the ground to meet mummy who was waiting for us in the car, his first words were "Daddy is right Mummy. I am better than Super Johnny Walters. He's rubbish".
|
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 22, 2014 22:11:54 GMT
But he gets in the right areas.............   |
|
|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 22, 2014 22:15:08 GMT
At least he does something right then Bayern. At last we all know what it is.
|
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Feb 22, 2014 22:15:51 GMT
So why do successive managers pick him...
i'd rather Walters than show ponies like Arnautovic...
Walters has been a great servant...
and all that bollocks.
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 22:16:11 GMT
But he gets in the right areas............. Like the changing room...? |
|
|
|
Post by Miles Offside on Feb 22, 2014 22:19:57 GMT
I will stop short of slagging off his performance or asking what he actually brings to the team because no doubt others will feel obliged to tell us all but I haven't seen any mention of yet another crucial miss from him where it was actually harder to do what he did than it was to score. Can anyone recall his free header from about 7 yards out midway through the first half? Yet another in the collection of absolute sitters this joke of a player has missed. He must have cost us at least 10 points if not more, this season. Walters and his catalogue of misses is getting a little bit beyond a joke now. I took my 6 year old today and when we came out of the ground to meet mummy who was waiting for us in the car, his first words were "Daddy is right Mummy. I am better than Super Johnny Walters. He's rubbish". I didn't see the game today so didn't see the miss. That aside, Walters doesn't pick himself. The manager picks him, game after game after game. He picks him ahead of the players he's signed himself. So he must think he's worth a place, just like the previous manager did. BTW, who taught your son to call him "Super" Jonny Walters? Was it you? |
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie on Feb 22, 2014 22:20:01 GMT
So why do successive managers pick him... i'd rather Walters than show ponies like Arnautovic... Walters has been a great servant... and all that bollocks. "Has been"...............still is until replaced. Funny how TC commented that it was an extremely good "team" performance. |
|
|
|
Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 22, 2014 22:20:17 GMT
Was hopeless again today.
|
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Feb 22, 2014 22:21:57 GMT
So why do successive managers pick him... i'd rather Walters than show ponies like Arnautovic... Walters has been a great servant... and all that bollocks. "Has been"...............still is until replaced. Funny how TC commented that it was an extremely good "team" performance. You can set your watch by it.... |
|
|
|
Post by stokerstayinup on Feb 22, 2014 22:22:32 GMT
At least he does something right then Bayern. At last we all know what it is. He does fuck all mate.Last person you'd have in your team if you were picking sides.You wouldn't want someone like him in your team when things aren't going well.11 prima donnas is the way forward as long as they can do 100 keepie-ups. IT'S NOT FKN DIFFICULT- Walters and whelan aren't our best players,BUT they're the first names on the team sheet. |
|
|
|
Post by foxysgloves on Feb 22, 2014 22:24:12 GMT
Agreed.
We are playing with ten men every week.
As soon as we replace SJW we'll win every week.
Piece of piss.
Arse jibbering waffle.
|
|
|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 22, 2014 22:24:47 GMT
I will stop short of slagging off his performance or asking what he actually brings to the team because no doubt others will feel obliged to tell us all but I haven't seen any mention of yet another crucial miss from him where it was actually harder to do what he did than it was to score. Can anyone recall his free header from about 7 yards out midway through the first half? Yet another in the collection of absolute sitters this joke of a player has missed. He must have cost us at least 10 points if not more, this season. Walters and his catalogue of misses is getting a little bit beyond a joke now. I took my 6 year old today and when we came out of the ground to meet mummy who was waiting for us in the car, his first words were "Daddy is right Mummy. I am better than Super Johnny Walters. He's rubbish". I didn't see the game today so didn't see the miss. That aside, Walters doesn't pick himself. The manager picks him, game after game after game. He picks him ahead of the players he's signed himself. So he must think he's worth a place, just like the previous manager did. BTW, who taught your son to call him "Super" Jonny Walters? Was it you?[/quote] It certainly wasn't me.  He has heard the song obviously and when he went to a Stoke City football school, Walters presented him with his medal (after his penalty miss v Liverpool) and he was introduced to the kids as "Super Jon Walters". |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 22:25:25 GMT
Who else would you play in the hole?
I don't rate the player but he does what he does and sadly he is in the side for his defensive qualities in an advanced midfield/deep striker role.
Without a player who works incredibly hard we would not be able to have Charlie Adam in the side in a position he excels, and the last time I looked, he was our top scorer. Take him out and put Arnie there (a player I really rate) and you wouldn't get away with Adam in midfield. Same with Ireland in the hole.
Modern day football, sadly, is all about balance and trade offs and so forth. One player in a certain position compliments another etc etc.
We need a forward who grafts and can score.
We also need a CEO and Technical Director that aren't so addicted to Pizza and an owner that hasn't lost sight of the cheque book to afford a player of such ilk!
|
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie on Feb 22, 2014 22:26:08 GMT
IT'S NOT FKN DIFFICULT- Walters and whelan aren't our best players,BUT they're the first names on the team sheet. Explain please  |
|
|
|
Post by Miles Offside on Feb 22, 2014 22:26:29 GMT
I didn't see the game today so didn't see the miss. That aside, Walters doesn't pick himself. The manager picks him, game after game after game. He picks him ahead of the players he's signed himself. So he must think he's worth a place, just like the previous manager did. BTW, who taught your son to call him "Super" Jonny Walters? Was it you?[/quote] It certainly wasn't me. He has heard the song obviously and when he went to a Stoke City football school, Walters presented him with his medal (after his penalty miss v Liverpool) and he was introduced to the kids as "Super Jon Walters". wasn't me guv. |
|
|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 22, 2014 22:27:39 GMT
Agreed. We are playing with ten men every week. As soon as we replace SJW we'll win every week. Piece of piss. Arse jibbering waffle. We won't win every week if we ever find ourselves without NSSJW but we sure as hell won't be any worse for him not playing. His miss today was another in a long list of misses that show just how woeful he is. A honest, hardworking professional, but one who consistently proves that he isn't good enough. He was dire today and in a decent team performance, he was a passenger. We looked 100% better when he went off. |
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie on Feb 22, 2014 22:29:00 GMT
Was hopeless again today. . Please explain why? |
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Feb 22, 2014 22:30:39 GMT
Walters is dog shit. He'd still be dog shit if Guardiola picked him.
Cost us 10 points this season, that's just his misses. God knows how many his defensive lapses have cost us.
|
|
|
|
Post by stokerstayinup on Feb 22, 2014 22:31:40 GMT
IT'S NOT FKN DIFFICULT- Walters and whelan aren't our best players,BUT they're the first names on the team sheet. Explain please Seriously? |
|
|
|
Post by foxysgloves on Feb 22, 2014 22:32:32 GMT
Agreed. We are playing with ten men every week. As soon as we replace SJW we'll win every week. Piece of piss. Arse jibbering waffle. We won't win every week if we ever find ourselves without NSSJW but we sure as hell won't be any worse for him not playing. His miss today was another in a long list of misses that show just how woeful he is. A honest, hardworking professional, but one who consistently proves that he isn't good enough. He was dire today and in a decent team performance, he was a passenger. We looked 100% better when he went off. Totally disagree mate. Aside from Shawcross and Adams he's first on the teamsheet for me. |
|
|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 22, 2014 22:32:41 GMT
Was hopeless again today. . Please explain why? Because he barely did a thing right. He didn't stop their deepest lying midfielder from bombing forward at will (that player actually scored for them...not that it was Walters fault) which is what he is supposed to be good at in that deep lying forward role and he missed yet another absolute sitter when unchallenged from 7 yards out. Rossi is right. Walters was hopeless again. Him and Crouch are absolutely useless and until both are replaced, we will find ourselves working exceptionally hard to keep ourselves out of a relegation scrap. Quite simply, we don't have a centre forward worthy of the name. Crouch had a decent 50 minutes or so without ever looking like he would get a goal or cause them a problem. Walters contributed nothing in all honesty. He was toss from the opening minute until the minute he left the pitch. |
|
|
|
Post by stokerstayinup on Feb 22, 2014 22:34:33 GMT
Walters is dog shit. He'd still be dog shit if Guardiola picked him. Cost us 10 points this season, that's just his misses. God knows how many his defensive lapses have cost us. 10 points,what a fkn joke.You Walters-haters will never give up.Isn't the fact that a manager not called Pulis consistently picking him up,despite your previous claims,not enough? |
|
|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 22, 2014 22:37:25 GMT
We won't win every week if we ever find ourselves without NSSJW but we sure as hell won't be any worse for him not playing. His miss today was another in a long list of misses that show just how woeful he is. A honest, hardworking professional, but one who consistently proves that he isn't good enough. He was dire today and in a decent team performance, he was a passenger. We looked 100% better when he went off. Totally disagree mate. Aside from Shawcross and Adams he's first on the teamsheet for me. That's your prerogative but I wouldn't have him anywhere near my starting 11 if Crouch is playing up front? Why? Because Walters is second only to Shotton in the "worst winger I've ever seen stakes" and because he is totally ineffective in his best position when he is partnering Crouch. So long as we persist with Walters and Crouch as regulars in our team, we will continue to struggle for goals, continue to struggle to pick up the points our general play deserves and will constantly be perilously close to the relegation places. The offer no threat, no pace, no creativity and most importantly of all, no goals. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 22:37:52 GMT
Because he barely did a thing right. He didn't stop their deepest lying midfielder from bombing forward at will (that player actually scored for them...not that it was Walters fault) which is what he is supposed to be good at in that deep lying forward role and he missed yet another absolute sitter when unchallenged from 7 yards out. Rossi is right. Walters was hopeless again. Him and Crouch are absolutely useless and until both are replaced, we will find ourselves working exceptionally hard to keep ourselves out of a relegation scrap. Quite simply, we don't have a centre forward worthy of the name. Crouch had a decent 50 minutes or so without ever looking like he would get a goal or cause them a problem. Walters contributed nothing in all honesty. He was toss from the opening minute until the minute he left the pitch. He isn't in the side to stop a midfielder "bombing on". He's in the side to disrupt quick attacks and to delay a forward pass, and against sides worse then Citeh, to force the long ball to our centre backs who will gobble them up 9 times out of 10. When we have the ball, particularly against weaker sides than today, he is responsible for sweeping around Crouch into the channels to pull centre halves out wide. That's what the last manager asked of him and that's what the current manager is asking of him since he switched to 4-4-1-1. I don't rate him at all but I appreciate the job he is asked to do. By and large he does it most weeks. Goalscoring will never be his forte. Ask questions of the people that pick him and the systems they are choosing if you wish. |
|
|
|
Post by stokerstayinup on Feb 22, 2014 22:40:11 GMT
Because he barely did a thing right. He didn't stop their deepest lying midfielder from bombing forward at will (that player actually scored for them...not that it was Walters fault) which is what he is supposed to be good at in that deep lying forward role and he missed yet another absolute sitter when unchallenged from 7 yards out. Rossi is right. Walters was hopeless again. Him and Crouch are absolutely useless and until both are replaced, we will find ourselves working exceptionally hard to keep ourselves out of a relegation scrap. Quite simply, we don't have a centre forward worthy of the name. Crouch had a decent 50 minutes or so without ever looking like he would get a goal or cause them a problem. Walters contributed nothing in all honesty. He was toss from the opening minute until the minute he left the pitch. He isn't in the side to stop a midfielder "bombing on". He's in the side to disrupt quick attacks and to delay a forward pass, and against sides worse then Citeh, to force the long ball to our centre backs who will gobble them up 9 times out of 10. When we have the ball, particularly against weaker sides than today, he is responsible for sweeping around Crouch into the channels to pull centre halves out wide. That's what the last manager asked of him and that's what the current manager is asking of him since he switched to 4-4-1-1. Unfortunately, not everyone's got your attitude. I don't rate him at all but I appreciate the job he is asked to do. By and large he does it most weeks. Goalscoring will never be his forte. Ask questions of the people that pick him and the systems they are choosing if you wish. |
|
|
|
Post by sjohank on Feb 22, 2014 22:42:08 GMT
Was hopeless again today. . Please explain why? It's very difficult to explain for those who are blind, owdstokie. Three words: Lassie - Useless - Again. A kind of visual explanation: Attachment Deleted |
|
|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 22, 2014 22:45:30 GMT
Because he barely did a thing right. He didn't stop their deepest lying midfielder from bombing forward at will (that player actually scored for them...not that it was Walters fault) which is what he is supposed to be good at in that deep lying forward role and he missed yet another absolute sitter when unchallenged from 7 yards out. Rossi is right. Walters was hopeless again. Him and Crouch are absolutely useless and until both are replaced, we will find ourselves working exceptionally hard to keep ourselves out of a relegation scrap. Quite simply, we don't have a centre forward worthy of the name. Crouch had a decent 50 minutes or so without ever looking like he would get a goal or cause them a problem. Walters contributed nothing in all honesty. He was toss from the opening minute until the minute he left the pitch. He isn't in the side to stop a midfielder "bombing on". He's in the side to disrupt quick attacks and to delay a forward pass, and against sides worse then Citeh, to force the long ball to our centre backs who will gobble them up 9 times out of 10. When we have the ball, particularly against weaker sides than today, he is responsible for sweeping around Crouch into the channels to pull centre halves out wide. That's what the last manager asked of him and that's what the current manager is asking of him since he switched to 4-4-1-1. I don't rate him at all but I appreciate the job he is asked to do. By and large he does it most weeks. Goalscoring will never be his forte. Ask questions of the people that pick him and the systems they are choosing if you wish. If I bumped into them I would. I regularly asked that question of those involved in the previous regime. In fact, it was something I asked about almost every week. Again, if his job is as you describe, he didn't do it very well today. If he had done it well, then that deep lying player who generally starts off the quick attacks you refer to, wouldn't have been able to bomb forward the way he did. It's a job he failed to do well today. It's a job he fails to do well on a near weekly basis and against the lesser side, if his job is as you describe, then you've probably answered why we are so crap at beating those teams in and around us in terms of league position and ability. In a nutshell, you can see the job he's asked to do and the reason you don't rate him is obviously because he fails to the jobs that you can see he is being asked to do. What other reason can there be for not rating him if you generally think he does what he's asked to do well? |
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie on Feb 22, 2014 22:48:43 GMT
Walters is dog shit. He'd still be dog shit if Guardiola picked him. Cost us 10 points this season, that's just his misses. God knows how many his defensive lapses have cost us. 10 points,what a fkn joke.You Walters-haters will never give up.Isn't the fact that a manager not called Pulis consistently picking him up,despite your previous claims,not enough? You might as well give up because I can say for sure if it rains tomorrow it will be Walters fault.  I can't wait until his career comes to an end at SCFC and we see who becomes the next, rest assured there will be one. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 22:49:31 GMT
He isn't in the side to stop a midfielder "bombing on". He's in the side to disrupt quick attacks and to delay a forward pass, and against sides worse then Citeh, to force the long ball to our centre backs who will gobble them up 9 times out of 10. When we have the ball, particularly against weaker sides than today, he is responsible for sweeping around Crouch into the channels to pull centre halves out wide. That's what the last manager asked of him and that's what the current manager is asking of him since he switched to 4-4-1-1. I don't rate him at all but I appreciate the job he is asked to do. By and large he does it most weeks. Goalscoring will never be his forte. Ask questions of the people that pick him and the systems they are choosing if you wish. If I bumped into them I would. I regularly asked that question of those involved in the previous regime. In fact, it was something I asked about almost every week. Again, if his job is as you describe, he didn't do it very well today. If he had done it well, then that deep lying player who generally starts off the quick attacks you refer to, wouldn't have been able to bomb forward the way he did. It's a job he failed to do well today. It's a job he fails to do well on a near weekly basis and against the lesser side, if his job is as you describe, then you've probably answered why we are so crap at beating those teams in and around us in terms of league position and ability. In a nutshell, you can see the job he's asked to do and the reason you don't rate him is obviously because he fails to the jobs that you can see he is being asked to do. What other reason can there be for not rating him if you generally think he does what he's asked to do well? He doesn't fail to do those jobs in the main. He is an excellent stopper. He has bad games like today, just like every other player. I don't rate him myself because I think he is a shit footballer. He is very reactionary, doesn't anticipate runs, has a poor touch, is a dreadful goalscorer, is very slow and ponderous in possession and suchlike. He doesn't pick himself and he doesn't choose the tactics though. Most weeks he pulls out his tripe and sticks his bollocks on the line and I respect that. |
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie on Feb 22, 2014 22:50:53 GMT
It's very difficult to explain for those who are blind, owdstokie. Three words: Lassie - Useless - Again. A kind of visual explanation: View AttachmentHe who sees what he wants to see is blind. |
|
He has heard the song obviously and when he went to a Stoke City football school, Walters presented him with his medal (after his penalty miss v Liverpool) and he was introduced to the kids as "Super Jon Walters".
