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Post by ted1965 on Jan 20, 2014 8:28:34 GMT
Sadly Saturday was pretty much written in the stars from the moment Crystal Palace appointed Pulis as manager. I actually believe no matter how we had played the outcome would sadly be the same. As it happens we were woeful and against a pretty awful side as well. It isn’t just us, it happens time and time again when a manager comes back to haunt his previous club. As I said we helped make it easier by playing so poorly and just allowing his tactics to stifle us.
That said I am not going to congratulate him or wish him well for the rest of the season because I am sorry and it will upset some I could care less about Tony Pulis and Crystal Palace, they are rivals in a dogfight to avoid relegation and therefore I want them gone. The problem with some people on here, they would actually prefer Tony Pulis to keep his never been relegated tag if it came to a straight fight with us or that’s how it seems at times. I could care less if he threw himself of Tower Bridge if they got relegated if it was between them and us. For me he is no longer manager of Stoke City and therefore I could not give a damn about him. I support this club I don’t support a manager. I wish him all the best in his private life but as far as football goes he means no more to me now than Wenger, just another manager of a club I could care less about.
That does not denigrate what he achieved as Stoke manager and I will always be appreciative of those achievements but time moves on and so has Tony Pulis and we need to do the same. If on the last day of the season he had to win a game to send us down, do those who adore him think he would hesitate to do so, he may love this club but we are rivals now and he would do and not care a damn.
I am fine with supporters giving him a round of applause on Saturday but making banners for the opposition’s manager is for me over the top but it’s a free country and people can show their appreciation however they wished. Though I remember some of the same people getting very bent out of shape when a few people went on a weekend to see a previous manager, who was managing a club in another country not the manager of a side we were competing against. That was tantamount to treason apparently but showing appreciation and support for the opposition manager is fine. I don’t object to either it’s a free world but I would not have personally shown support for the opposing manager irrespective of the circumstances.
Is Mark Hughes the man for the job that remains to be seen but unless he gets the same backing in the transfer market as the previous incumbent we will never know? You can’t be asked to change direction and soften how we play and then be left out to dry financially. We need pace, we need better footballers and we need them now.
There is a lot of talk about legacy over the weekend and what Pulis left behind, well in the most part he left behind an average squad who were devoid of goals, creativity and pace. I am not going to go into all the old divisions. That was there for all to see over the last 2 years he was in charge.
I am grateful for what Tony Pulis did as manager second time around. There were far more good times than bad overall but he seemed to shoot himself in the foot every time he seemed to have found a formula that worked. The last 18 months with the odd exception were painful, that was his fault as he had total trust and control from above. The Saddest part for me it could have been so different. For me the legacy will be, he got us into the Premier League, a cup final and Europe and kept us there but it was in those last years at the expense of enjoyment. You left games so many times thinking why the hell do I keep going hoping for better. So his legacy he gave us many wonderful days but sadly left many with a feeling it could have been so much better.
Mark Hughes hasn’t really addressed those issues yet, is that his fault or the boards for not backing him with sufficient funds, we won’t really know that until February the 1st. I don’t think we will go down, mainly because I think there are three worse sides than us and we have shown enough to give me optimism for the second half of the season but we need a natural scorer and the defence needs to be organized again, Huth can’t return fast enough.
It’s time to put aside all the legacy and who should or should not be in charge, we have a manager he has a tough job to do but we are in mid table not bottom of the league.
At the moment we are in a relegation fight but so are 9 other clubs. When we beat Chelsea were the harbingers of doom out in force, nope but that’s football, we win a few games and it will be fine and dandy again. This time last year we were on an awful run and anyone who voiced a concern was told shut up and in TP we trust, the same people tell us now we’re doomed and It’s time to get the road maps to Doncaster out. Of course we should be concerned as any of those other clubs supporters should be.
I believe we will survive and thrive in time but Mr Coates has to back Mark Hughes with the same vigour he backed Tony Pulis or in real terms what was the point in changing anything. A change of style and direction will only truly work with players who are comfortable in their own skin. We have a side that despite some really good games are still not sure when they should be playing football and when they should not. I don’t think anyone is asking for 20 million to be spent but enough to get a couple of decent players who can score goals and change the game.
I don’t expect people to agree with me and it’s my point of view. I just think Saturdays result opened up some wounds and unless we can just see it as another game and one where we played badly and ignore who was the manager in the opposition dug out, we will all be better off.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Jan 20, 2014 8:33:24 GMT
Brilliant post as ever Ted.
Well written.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 8:36:33 GMT
Bang on the money.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 20, 2014 8:40:17 GMT
Excellent post. Our next game v Chelsea in the cup is our next challenge. Arguably, even more important is the game following that v Sunderland.
We are capable of winning both, the preparation starts today, with the players currently at the club. If additions are made then great.
Hughes is our leader now, over to him to get the most out of our resources.
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Post by mcf on Jan 20, 2014 8:42:11 GMT
Couldn't give a damn about him but write paragraphs about the bloke which is headed up with a title containing his name!?
Paragraphs littered with sorry excuses in some way try to deflect from the risky decision that the club made that was happily supported by you.
Accusations against fellow fans that they want Pulis to succeed more or that they should 'fuck off up the palace'....coming from the same group that took insult to 'fuck off up the vale' comments last season.
Absolutely fucking wank Ted...a fucking embarrassment.
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Post by ted1965 on Jan 20, 2014 8:46:48 GMT
Thanks mcf like I said you don't need to agree much as I didn't agree with much you wrote during his tenure. I didn't tell anyone to fuck off up to Palace I think the Queen would be a little pissed at me for hoards of people in baseball caps descending on her at tea time, she would think it was Jeremy Kyle audience inspired revolution. All I said was it seemed from some comments that it was the case.
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Post by alster on Jan 20, 2014 8:49:32 GMT
Only thing I'd take issue with Ted is the 20 Million quote. To be honest it's the minimum Hughes needs to say he's had a fair crack. And why not PC can well afford it, yes it will mean a short term rise in wage bill which may be an issue with FFP but let's face it those rules have more holes than a sieve. You made the decision Mr Coates now for god sake give it a chance to work.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jan 20, 2014 8:55:58 GMT
Not forget as such (we ain't forgotten Waddo, Macari etc) but be good if we could minimise harping on about him quite as much. Unfortunately I fear this will not happen as long as we keep using him as a scapegoat for the current inconsistency - we all know the arguments that have been used for & against (ad infenitum) - as you say Ted, he's gone, respect seems to have been paid on Saturday and that's it.
All future exchanges on Stoke should be in the context of the current squad and how Hughes is choosing to use them, and this context alone...
Will this happen - will it f*ck!!!
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 20, 2014 8:57:11 GMT
Couldn't give a damn about him but write paragraphs about the bloke which is headed up with a title containing his name!? Paragraphs littered with sorry excuses in some way try to deflect from the risky decision that the club made that was happily supported by you. Accusations against fellow fans that they want Pulis to succeed more or that they should 'fuck off up the palace'....coming from the same group that took insult to 'fuck off up the vale' comments last season. Absolutely fucking wank Ted...a fucking embarrassment. Risky decision...? What to get rid of a Manager who was running out of ideas and was looking like he was taking us down? The only embarrassment here is so-called Stoke supporters revelling in a Stoke defeat and demanding the current manager be removed, despite being in the same position as the previous manager in the league. How easy do you think it is to come in after 10 years of one manager and having no money to spend? All I hear from Tony Pulis is how good Stoke fans are and they know their stuff - yeah OK Tone. |
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Post by mcf on Jan 20, 2014 8:57:27 GMT
It's not a case of disagreeing or agreeing ted...
...it's simply pointing out the stupidity of posting 'the old manager is dead to me' and then writing paragraphs about the the bloke.
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Post by ted1965 on Jan 20, 2014 9:00:34 GMT
Okay mcf there you have me lol.
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Post by jarhead on Jan 20, 2014 9:10:39 GMT
Spot on ted brilliant post.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 20, 2014 9:17:28 GMT
My sentiments. Ted we need to look forward and we can't do that if we are looking backwards. Excellent post.
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Post by RAF on Jan 20, 2014 9:18:38 GMT
Couldn't give a damn about him but write paragraphs about the bloke which is headed up with a title containing his name!? Paragraphs littered with sorry excuses in some way try to deflect from the risky decision that the club made that was happily supported by you. Accusations against fellow fans that they want Pulis to succeed more or that they should 'fuck off up the palace'....coming from the same group that took insult to 'fuck off up the vale' comments last season. Absolutely fucking wank Ted...a fucking embarrassment. That's because we have no or had no ex manager at Vale with Stoke fans fawning over them and supporting him more than their own fucking manager like the present Crystal Palace boss. It's a fucking wank comparison, but you fucking knew that before you wrote it. H |
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Post by mcf on Jan 20, 2014 9:23:09 GMT
Oh the irony....
The main group that keep bringing up TP is the wankstains who continually trot out the pathetic legacy excuses after we lose a game.
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Post by RAF on Jan 20, 2014 9:32:46 GMT
Oh the irony.... The main group that keep bringing up TP is the wankstains who continually trot out the pathetic legacy excuses after we lose a game. Rather be one of those who support our team and our manager, than your lot who wanted Palace to beat us. Cunters to a man the rimmers. H |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 9:33:08 GMT
Good post Ted.  Altho recently I'm more interested in how much commitment our owners are showing their choice of new manager than an any ex stoke manager |
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Jan 20, 2014 9:39:02 GMT
Oh the irony.... The main group that keep bringing up TP is the wankstains who continually trot out the pathetic legacy excuses after we lose a game. Rather be one of those who support our team and our manager, than your lot who wanted Palace to beat us. Cunters to a man the rimmers. H When TP was our manager, did you support him? |
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Post by fca47 on Jan 20, 2014 9:43:43 GMT
Couldn't give a damn about him but write paragraphs about the bloke which is headed up with a title containing his name!? Paragraphs littered with sorry excuses in some way try to deflect from the risky decision that the club made that was happily supported by you. Accusations against fellow fans that they want Pulis to succeed more or that they should 'fuck off up the palace'....coming from the same group that took insult to 'fuck off up the vale' comments last season. Absolutely fucking wank Ted...a fucking embarrassment. Risky decision...? What to get rid of a Manager who was running out of ideas and was looking like he was taking us down? The only embarrassment here is so-called Stoke supporters revelling in a Stoke defeat and demanding the current manager be removed, despite being in the same position as the previous manager in the league. How easy do you think it is to come in after 10 years of one manager and having no money to spend? All I hear from Tony Pulis is how good Stoke fans are and they know their stuff - yeah OK Tone. What rubbish , we did go through a sticky patch, but we were nowhere near going down. TP showed he had the nouse to get us out of the slide, I hope we can say the same of Hughes. TP has taken a team of no hopers that did not invest like QPR and given them a chance of staying up. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 20, 2014 9:49:04 GMT
For the love of god, can we all just STOP going back and forth on this.
ITS BORING
We've all followed this club through thin and thinner.
Just get behind the current lot , and the next lot after that
ITS NOT DIFFICULT YOU KNOW
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Jan 20, 2014 9:49:25 GMT
Risky decision...? What to get rid of a Manager who was running out of ideas and was looking like he was taking us down? The only embarrassment here is so-called Stoke supporters revelling in a Stoke defeat and demanding the current manager be removed, despite being in the same position as the previous manager in the league. How easy do you think it is to come in after 10 years of one manager and having no money to spend? All I hear from Tony Pulis is how good Stoke fans are and they know their stuff - yeah OK Tone. What rubbish , we did go through a sticky patch, but we were nowhere near going down. TP showed he had the nouse to get us out of the slide, I hope we can say the same of Hughes. TP has taken a team of no hopers that did not invest like QPR and given them a chance of staying up. Ah but you've put your finger on the problem there. TP's great with no hopers. The Don. It's the players with hope he has trouble with. Once he had Crouch and Adam to deal with he was lost. And Michael Owen. Oh god. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 20, 2014 9:54:04 GMT
It is not going to stop
Sadly. If anything it will get worse if our slump continues
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Post by fca47 on Jan 20, 2014 9:54:07 GMT
What rubbish , we did go through a sticky patch, but we were nowhere near going down. TP showed he had the nouse to get us out of the slide, I hope we can say the same of Hughes. TP has taken a team of no hopers that did not invest like QPR and given them a chance of staying up. Ah but you've put your finger on the problem there. TP's great with no hopers. The Don. It's the players with hope he has trouble with. Once he had Crouch and Adam to deal with he was lost. And Michael Owen. Oh god. Going by Saturdays performance we do have a team of no-hopers. |
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Post by RAF on Jan 20, 2014 9:56:44 GMT
Rather be one of those who support our team and our manager, than your lot who wanted Palace to beat us. Cunters to a man the rimmers. H When TP was our manager, did you support him? Of course I did, he was part of the team. I didn't particularly like his tactics, nor the way he came across , but I always got behind him at matches , and never wanted anything but a Stoke win while he was here. You may not believe it but in the earlier days in his first tenure and towards the end of his last I even sang his name! Shame some of our so called SUPPORTERS can't do the same for our new manager after half a fucking season. H |
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Jan 20, 2014 9:58:29 GMT
Ah but you've put your finger on the problem there. TP's great with no hopers. The Don. It's the players with hope he has trouble with. Once he had Crouch and Adam to deal with he was lost. And Michael Owen. Oh god. Going by Saturdays performance we do have a team of no-hopers. And going by performances against Chelsea, Sunderland, ManU, Citeh etc there's plenty of hope. Saturday was crap but there's everything to play for. |
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Post by 1982stokie on Jan 20, 2014 10:06:14 GMT
Oh the irony.... The main group that keep bringing up TP is the wankstains who continually trot out the pathetic legacy excuses after we lose a game. To be fair his point seemed very obvious to me, he is very greatful for what was achieved but that should be that if he had not expressed this you would have more than likely branded him a PHW. Rather people putting their energy in to name calling and side taking maybe we should all look at what we have in comman, We all love Stoke City |
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Post by fca47 on Jan 20, 2014 10:06:46 GMT
Going by Saturdays performance we do have a team of no-hopers. And going by performances against Chelsea, Sunderland, ManU, Citeh etc there's plenty of hope. Saturday was crap but there's everything to play for. I know what you mean, we do over react to defeats, and there have been some promising signs in certain areas, but Hughes doesn't seem able to bring it together. We play well going forward, but then concede stupid goals, or the defence isn't looking too bad and then we look as bereft of ideas, as much as we ever did under TP. Totally frustrating. He has to be given time ,but unfortunately we don't have a lot left. |
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Post by penkvillepotter on Jan 20, 2014 10:06:48 GMT
Some of us forgot about Pulis the minute he was pushed. I suggest others do the same. It's eating you up.
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Post by mcf on Jan 20, 2014 10:10:34 GMT
It will eat me up if we totally fuck it up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 10:13:17 GMT
Oh the irony.... The main group that keep bringing up TP is the wankstains who continually trot out the pathetic legacy excuses after we lose a game. I've got no idea why the fuck you've bought your issues with 'the wankstains' on to this thread. You're as guilty as anybody for continually dragging on this whole tedious bollocks. You only need to look at your 'status' to prove how obsessed you are with it all. As for the risk being supported by the likes of Ted, even the most ardent TP supporters were in agreement that it was time to move on. For the 'legacy' argument, refer to your saviours very own multitude of comments regarding wanting to leave a legacy in place when he leaves. |
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