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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 13:26:09 GMT
What starts off as a really good thread ends up in a squabble between posters A micro example of Stoke fans generally The same people shouting for TP to go are the same people slagging Sparky off Why on earth would we want Hughes out? He didn't build the squad..he hasn't had £80 million to spend Why would anyone want TP back? FFS get behind the team and put the dummies back in Who wants TP back? I didn't think those wanting TP to go are the ones slagging sparky to go. I didn't want TP to go and I don't want Hughes either and I'll stop spitting me dummy out from now on about Sparky even though I think he's vank.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jan 22, 2014 13:27:48 GMT
You deleted your own account. If you want to give the reason/s why you did that and why the other account exists, then that's up to you. I wouldn't disclose it to anyone as it wouldn't be the right thing to do. If it stops RAF from peddling this lie then all he needed to do was ask admin if tazi did indeed delete his own account. I don't understand why you think it not the right thing to do to disclose why you chose to delete the Tazi account but think it right for us to do it for you??? Why? I cannot think the reason has any sensitive aspect such as disclosing anything personal? I have to say that calling H a liar is out of order. He may have the semantics wrong in terms of when the Thatznotabus was set up but you started using it pretty immediately after you deleted your other account. I'm not having you clouding the issue and making implied suggestions some sort of skulduggery went on here. That is not fair on Dave or me. Running two accounts and choosing to delete one was your choice and your choice alone. Don't forget you tried to pretend you weren't breaking the rule about having two accounts to me and Dave.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 13:31:39 GMT
I wouldn't disclose it to anyone as it wouldn't be the right thing to do. If it stops RAF from peddling this lie then all he needed to do was ask admin if tazi did indeed delete his own account. I don't understand why you think it not the right thing to do to disclose why you chose to delete the Tazi account but think it right for us to do it for you??? Why? I cannot think the reason has any sensitive aspect such as disclosing anything personal? I have to say that calling H a liar is out of order. He may have the semantics wrong in terms of when the Thatznotabus was set up but you started using it pretty immediately after you deleted your other account. I'm not having you clouding the issue and making implied suggestions some sort of skulduggery went on here. That is not fair on Dave or me. Running two accounts and choosing to delete one was your choice and your choice alone. Don't forget you tried to pretend you weren't breaking the rule about having two accounts to me and Dave. I'n not suggesting any kind of skulduggery went on at all but simply gave permission for you to tell RAF that my account was deleted by myself and that I wasn't banned. If he wanted to know why then admin had my permission to tell him. Data protection and all that.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 22, 2014 13:40:35 GMT
I didn't think those wanting TP to go are the ones slagging sparky to go. I didn't want TP to go and I don't want Hughes either and I'll stop spitting me dummy out from now on about Sparky even though I think he's vank. [/quote Glad to hear it
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jan 22, 2014 13:40:49 GMT
I don't understand why you think it not the right thing to do to disclose why you chose to delete the Tazi account but think it right for us to do it for you??? Why? I cannot think the reason has any sensitive aspect such as disclosing anything personal? I have to say that calling H a liar is out of order. He may have the semantics wrong in terms of when the Thatznotabus was set up but you started using it pretty immediately after you deleted your other account. I'm not having you clouding the issue and making implied suggestions some sort of skulduggery went on here. That is not fair on Dave or me. Running two accounts and choosing to delete one was your choice and your choice alone. Don't forget you tried to pretend you weren't breaking the rule about having two accounts to me and Dave. I'n not suggesting any kind of skulduggery went on at all but simply gave permission for you to tell RAF that my account was deleted by myself and that I wasn't banned. If he wanted to know why then admin had my permission to tell him. Data protection and all that. You tell him. That's your right and your problem. Nothing to do with us or data protection. Do me a favour and PM him with the reason. This is another thread wrecked which I will clean up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 13:51:08 GMT
I'n not suggesting any kind of skulduggery went on at all but simply gave permission for you to tell RAF that my account was deleted by myself and that I wasn't banned. If he wanted to know why then admin had my permission to tell him. Data protection and all that. You tell him. That's your right and your problem. Nothing to do with us or data protection. Do me a favour and PM him with the reason. This is another thread wrecked which I will clean up. Not my right at all to tell him what went on because there was another individual involved in it. As to be accused of my posting things where I haven't and that person not being able to back it up with a link is bang out if order. To then talk about tazi being banned was also out if order which then leads to my right of calling him a liar. So I'd appreciate it if you don't come the high n mighty by telling me I'm out of order.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 22, 2014 14:16:07 GMT
Surely those who have predicted that TP will keep Palace up and we will go down? H I don't see it mate. I think most knew it was time for TP to go. My only bug bear is that he needed to be replaced with someone better and I don't think we have. I certainly don't want him back at this point in time. Maybe if we dropped down a league or two and needed to rebuild but not now. so then, a lot of people (posters on thios board included) as well as the owners wanted pulis gone as it was his time to go. we all wanted someone better than pulis the problem was who? there was no-one better available who would come. of the popular suspects rafa - no way martinez ditto Peter Coates was taking the club in a new direction so to be fair to him an upcoming manager from the lower leagues was maybe not the answer. It is debate-able wether we got an unproven foreigtner Hughes; regardless of wether you like the bloke was one of only a few candidates who was good enough (QPR aside) available and more importantly who would come you can suggest anyone but if they would prefer napoli or everton what are you do so stafford or anyone else for that matter, the question then who was better, available and appeared to want to take the job. im all ears which beggars belief on the lack of support our manager does get from certain elements of our support
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Post by Godo on Jan 22, 2014 14:19:04 GMT
Returning to the original post - excellent post by the way ....
I didn't want Mr Pulis but I was certainly not impressed by the appointment of Mr Hughes to replace him. But in the 40+ years I have been actively supporting Stoke I have never known the appointment of a manager and the subsequent dismissal of that manager to create such a division in the support. My view is that Mr Pulis did a fantastic job to establish us in the Premiership but that he had reached the absolute plateau of his ability. I think that the small club/siege mentality he generated was in part a reflection of his lack of ability to develop the football on the field beyond a certain level. Whatever he achieved whilst he was our manager, and it was considerable, what is clear is that whenever Mr Pulis leaves a club he appears to leave a toxic legacy behind him.
The type of players that Mr Hughes has signed so far - Arnautovic, Pieters, Ireland and Assaidi - are not the type of players I would like to be in a relegation dog fight with. However I'm afraid that I now find myself wondering if we are the sort of fans that I would like to be in a relegation dog fight with? Every win or loss somehow becomes about Mr Pulis and his leagcy not what is happening at the club at the moment and the support for a lot of the season, especially at home, has been very tentative. WE really have got to move on and support the current team and manager. I was never actively critical of the team or manager on match days when I was in the ground during either of the Pulis eras.
We do keep the ball better but the problem was and remains a lack of pace and goalscoring and a squad that is technically limited. We now need to place the focus upon the board because they are the people who let Mr Pulis have control ( within fairly generous financial limits )of who we signed up to last season January transfer window. It is the board who dispensed with Mr Pulis and it is the board who appointed Mr Hughes. They now need to dig deep in their pockets to provide goalscorer(s), pace and ability in wide areas and a midfield destroyer to protect the back 4. Otherwise I fear the worst and we will be meeting Mr Pulis again at Crystal palace when we play in the Championship next season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 14:35:34 GMT
Also mark I don't think it's right for you to disclose it but if it stops a certain poster from telling porkies then it seems a reasonable suggestion to me.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 22, 2014 14:56:01 GMT
Returning to the original post - excellent post by the way .... I didn't want Mr Pulis but I was certainly not impressed by the appointment of Mr Hughes to replace him. But in the 40+ years I have been actively supporting Stoke I have never known the appointment of a manager and the subsequent dismissal of that manager to create such a division in the support. My view is that Mr Pulis did a fantastic job to establish us in the Premiership but that he had reached the absolute plateau of his ability. I think that the small club/siege mentality he generated was in part a reflection of his lack of ability to develop the football on the field beyond a certain level. Whatever he achieved whilst he was our manager, and it was considerable, what is clear is that whenever Mr Pulis leaves a club he appears to leave a toxic legacy behind him. The type of players that Mr Hughes has signed so far - Arnautovic, Pieters, Ireland and Assaidi - are not the type of players I would like to be in a relegation dog fight with. However I'm afraid that I now find myself wondering if we are the sort of fans that I would like to be in a relegation dog fight with? Every win or loss somehow becomes about Mr Pulis and his leagcy not what is happening at the club at the moment and the support for a lot of the season, especially at home, has been very tentative. WE really have got to move on and support the current team and manager. I was never actively critical of the team or manager on match days when I was in the ground during either of the Pulis eras. We do keep the ball better but the problem was and remains a lack of pace and goalscoring and a squad that is technically limited. We now need to place the focus upon the board because they are the people who let Mr Pulis have control ( within fairly generous financial limits )of who we signed up to last season January transfer window. It is the board who dispensed with Mr Pulis and it is the board who appointed Mr Hughes. They now need to dig deep in their pockets to provide goalscorer(s), pace and ability in wide areas and a midfield destroyer to protect the back 4. Otherwise I fear the worst and we will be meeting Mr Pulis again at Crystal palace when we play in the Championship next season. It was predicted 10 years ago mate when he first joined. He's one of if not THE most divisive characters in football. Wherever he has been he has totally split the fan base.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 22, 2014 15:01:57 GMT
Returning to the original post - excellent post by the way .... I didn't want Mr Pulis but I was certainly not impressed by the appointment of Mr Hughes to replace him. But in the 40+ years I have been actively supporting Stoke I have never known the appointment of a manager and the subsequent dismissal of that manager to create such a division in the support. My view is that Mr Pulis did a fantastic job to establish us in the Premiership but that he had reached the absolute plateau of his ability. I think that the small club/siege mentality he generated was in part a reflection of his lack of ability to develop the football on the field beyond a certain level. Whatever he achieved whilst he was our manager, and it was considerable, what is clear is that whenever Mr Pulis leaves a club he appears to leave a toxic legacy behind him. The type of players that Mr Hughes has signed so far - Arnautovic, Pieters, Ireland and Assaidi - are not the type of players I would like to be in a relegation dog fight with. However I'm afraid that I now find myself wondering if we are the sort of fans that I would like to be in a relegation dog fight with? Every win or loss somehow becomes about Mr Pulis and his leagcy not what is happening at the club at the moment and the support for a lot of the season, especially at home, has been very tentative. WE really have got to move on and support the current team and manager. I was never actively critical of the team or manager on match days when I was in the ground during either of the Pulis eras. We do keep the ball better but the problem was and remains a lack of pace and goalscoring and a squad that is technically limited. We now need to place the focus upon the board because they are the people who let Mr Pulis have control ( within fairly generous financial limits )of who we signed up to last season January transfer window. It is the board who dispensed with Mr Pulis and it is the board who appointed Mr Hughes. They now need to dig deep in their pockets to provide goalscorer(s), pace and ability in wide areas and a midfield destroyer to protect the back 4. Otherwise I fear the worst and we will be meeting Mr Pulis again at Crystal palace when we play in the Championship next season. It was predicted 10 years ago mate when he first joined. He's one of if not THE most divisive characters in football. Wherever he has been he has totally split the fan base. You are totally wrong mate at bristol city they all hated him
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Post by RAF on Jan 22, 2014 15:02:39 GMT
Also mark I don't think it's right for you to disclose it but if it stops a certain poster from telling porkies then it seems a reasonable suggestion to me. Why are you still fucking banging on about this? I've already apologised and accepted that you had your Tazi account deleted by admin at your request then weaseled back with your second account. Let it go. H
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 22, 2014 15:07:09 GMT
It was predicted 10 years ago mate when he first joined. He's one of if not THE most divisive characters in football. Wherever he has been he has totally split the fan base. You are totally wrong mate at bristol city they all hated him I'm still waiting for him to start dripping all this poison we were 100% assured he would do. When does that start, he's been a bit classy so far?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 22, 2014 15:16:47 GMT
Santa's real, the tooth fairy exists, and if you're very very good you can go to the bottom of the garden and make a wish to the pixies to banish that horrible Mr. Pulis from haunting your every waking thought.
Toxic legacy and division are constructs in the mind of less than 10 loons on here. TP has shown a load more class in making the break than the lot of you.
The majority of supporters have moved on.
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Post by foster on Jan 22, 2014 15:17:27 GMT
I didn't think those wanting TP to go are the ones slagging sparky to go. I didn't want TP to go and I don't want Hughes either and I'll stop spitting me dummy out from now on about Sparky even though I think he's vank. Didn't realise you were German.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 15:18:02 GMT
Also mark I don't think it's right for you to disclose it but if it stops a certain poster from telling porkies then it seems a reasonable suggestion to me. Why are you still fucking banging on about this? I've already apologised and accepted that you had your Tazi account deleted by admin at your request then weaseled back with your second account. Let it go. H I'm not banging on but in damned if I'll stand by andcgetvtgdt kind of lecture from woolywool
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 15:21:47 GMT
Well you get my point.
Blind as a fcuking bat and fat finger syndrome
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Post by RAF on Jan 22, 2014 15:30:32 GMT
Why are you still fucking banging on about this? I've already apologised and accepted that you had your Tazi account deleted by admin at your request then weaseled back with your second account. Let it go. H :) I'm not banging on but in damned if I'll stand by andcgetvtgdt kind of lecture from woolywool If you carry on I'll tell the club not to buy you that jacket! H
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 15:38:05 GMT
Lol.
Was just going use my hood was pulled up too much and I couldn't see properly.
I'm going on the straight and narrow now, or at least I will after replying once woolywolls told me off again.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 22, 2014 15:58:16 GMT
You are totally wrong mate at bristol city they all hated him I'm still waiting for him to start dripping all this poison we were 100% assured he would do. When does that start, he's been a bit classy so far? very classy momo to leave it until hughes first game in charge against liverpool to give your first interview and overshadow hughes first game
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 22, 2014 16:15:40 GMT
You are totally wrong mate at bristol city they all hated him I'm still waiting for him to start dripping all this poison we were 100% assured he would do. When does that start, he's been a bit classy so far? He'll get Kempy to do his dirty work. Talk of statues and Real Madrid already mentioned...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 16:45:17 GMT
Also mark I don't think it's right for you to disclose it but if it stops a certain poster from telling porkies then it seems a reasonable suggestion to me. Why are you still fucking banging on about this? I've already apologised and accepted that you had your Tazi account deleted by admin at your request then weaseled back with your second account. Let it go. H Oi you fcuker you. I just read that closely and at no point did admin delete tazis account either by tazi requesting them too or them deleting it of their own free will. You crafty fcuker.
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Post by RAF on Jan 22, 2014 19:49:18 GMT
Why are you still fucking banging on about this? I've already apologised and accepted that you had your Tazi account deleted by admin at your request then weaseled back with your second account. Let it go. H Oi you fcuker you. I just read that closely and at no point did admin delete tazis account either by tazi requesting them too or them deleting it of their own free will. You crafty fcuker. I wasn't trying to be crafty I thought that is what you said. Ok I apologise, it was you who deleted your own account by your own volition for some reason or other then weaseled back with another account you had set up well before you deleted the Tazi one. Happy? H
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 20:06:30 GMT
Oi you fcuker you. I just read that closely and at no point did admin delete tazis account either by tazi requesting them too or them deleting it of their own free will. You crafty fcuker. I wasn't trying to be crafty I thought that is what you said. Ok I apologise, it was you who deleted your own account by your own volition for some reason or other then weaseled back with another account you had set up well before you deleted the Tazi one. Happy? H I didn't really weezle but other than that I take my hat off to my coat to you.
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Post by hildaogden on Jan 22, 2014 21:21:37 GMT
Superb post! I couldnt agree more. The Coates family need to invest heavily now. If they dont trust Hughes with the type of money Pulis simply spunked, then why appoint him manager? Its a shame so many deluded people still cream themselves over Pulis...as for that sad Pulis flag... PMSL! The problem being that on this forum, so many people have entrenched themselves in pro- Pulis support, that they are now shit scared their identity will be lost if they talk about anything outside of the subject.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 23, 2014 1:45:01 GMT
It was predicted 10 years ago mate when he first joined. He's one of if not THE most divisive characters in football. Wherever he has been he has totally split the fan base. You are totally wrong mate at bristol city they all hated him In fairness, he was always on a hiding to nothing there given his Rovers links.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 8:01:21 GMT
Norwich fans have been holding up 'Hughton out' banners despite him keeping them in the premier league, Arsenal fans have been split over Wenger for years after everything hes won there, Villa fans want Lambert out and they are above us in the league, many Newcastle fans wanted Pardew out a few months ago. Some of you want to think Pulis divides supporters like no other manager but its just bollocks and we are no different from anyone else.
Last year a lot of supporters were calling for him to go but that was because we were going backwards, name one club where the same thing wouldnt happen? How many were split over Pulis when we won promotion or for the first 3 years in the premier league? Just a few loons and you get them at every club.
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Post by onewaynebiggins on Jan 23, 2014 11:31:39 GMT
Clearly ted has missed the point of the banners. Sure, he's the opposition manager, but many people feel that they didn't get an opportunity to say goodbye to Pulis. Saturday was that opportunity, it doesn't mean they wanted Palace to win, what a load of horse shit and I think that's merely an attempt to wind people up or more to the point, undermine people by saying they aren't Stoke fans. Bullshit mate. Fact is, it's the first time Stoke have played Pulis since he left. It was merely an opportunity to wrap up Stoke's connection with him once and for all and with some dignity. Holding up a banner at the start of the fucking match didn't lose us the game, did it? Reserve your blame for the players only, the same shit Pulis legacy beat Crystal Palace earlier this year despite going a goal behind. Saturday's over and now we move on. We don't forget about Pulis, we remain grateful, but we look to the future. We're not going to have another 'first match since Pulis left', so that's done and dusted and I'm very sure that the next game, the banners won't be present, seeing as that's getting up your nose so much. Yes, the comparisons will CONTINUE, not necessarily by users of this board either. Guys like Chappers regularly make comments regarding Stoke letting Pulis go. For many on the outside, it was a barmy decision, shit football or not. From a completely abstract point of view, he took us into the Premiership, kept us up for 6 seasons, took us to a cup final and past the group stages in Europe. Without context, many would think we were fucking nuts to get rid, so yes, the comparisons will be made, probably until the end of the season. Writing bullshit like you put Pulis on the level of Arsene Wenger is a load of crap as well. I have a soft spot for Tony, because I'm grateful for what he fucking did. Is that such a bad thing? Is it necessary to scorn polite gratitude in modern football? Give me a break. It doesn't mean I wanted Palace to win, or that I'm a shit fan or that I give a fuck if they stay up. I want Stoke City to win every week, but that doesn't mean I have to hate Tony Pulis, when he is the opposition manager. Anyway, that's the end of it. The first time he comes the Brit, he'll get a round of applause and that'll be the end of it. This post sums up my feelings to a "T" thank you.
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Post by onewaynebiggins on Jan 23, 2014 11:44:53 GMT
I think you mean you couldn't care less.. I'm sorry but the ridiculous accusation continually made by the the likes of RAF and the OP that there are Stoke supporters who would be happy with Palace staying up at our expense are utterly moronic and it's getting pretty tiring. You bring it up in almost every thread about Pulis without a shred of evidence and it's rather pathetic. I haven't seen anything on here suggesting any member would want Stoke to fail if it meant Pulis and his team succeeded. Any chance you could link directly to some posts on here which prove some members think that way? If not, how about you just give it a fucking rest.. Thats because there aren't any Stoke "SUPPORTERS" who would want that. The accusation is labled in an attempt to stop people from saying "I told you so" if it was to happen. I hope to god it doenst happen.
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