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Post by mt on Apr 1, 2013 13:37:57 GMT
How would you react if Stoke appointed a manager with the same political wiews as Di Canio has expressed for several years?
Personally I couldn`t have stand to have a self-declared facist as a manager at the club. Even though you shouldn`t mix up political wiews with football or sport, it`s a limit for everything...
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 1, 2013 13:40:40 GMT
How would you react if Stoke appointed a manager with the same political wiews as Di Canio has expressed for several years? Personally I couldn`t have stand to have a self-declared facist as a manager at the club. Even though you shouldn`t mix up political wiews with football or sport, it`s a limit for everything... You may not like his views but he is entitled to have them.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 1, 2013 13:43:32 GMT
I don't care if there left or right as long as its fullbacks
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Post by bassmaster on Apr 1, 2013 13:47:52 GMT
How would you react if Stoke appointed a manager with the same political wiews as Di Canio has expressed for several years? Personally I couldn`t have stand to have a self-declared facist as a manager at the club. Even though you shouldn`t mix up political wiews with football or sport, it`s a limit for everything... You may not like his views but he is entitled to have them. Some people hold a firm belief that is acceptable, even beneficial to their victims to sexually abuse children. Would you consider they too are entitled to hold such views?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 1, 2013 13:50:18 GMT
You may not like his views but he is entitled to have them. Some people hold a firm belief that is acceptable, even beneficial to their victims to sexually abuse children. Would you consider they too are entitled to hold such views? No. Where do you draw the line then?
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Post by mt on Apr 1, 2013 13:50:29 GMT
How would you react if Stoke appointed a manager with the same political wiews as Di Canio has expressed for several years? Personally I couldn`t have stand to have a self-declared facist as a manager at the club. Even though you shouldn`t mix up political wiews with football or sport, it`s a limit for everything... You may not like his views but he is entitled to have them. It`s not about what I like or not. It`s about if a footballclub want to employ a manager/boss who speak positive about an ideology which clearly are misanthropic. Whatever you may think, but he is actually in a posistion where he can affect a lot of people with his wiews. So let me ask again: Would you have tolerated that Stoke appointed a manager who told several times that he is a facist and admire Benito Mussolini?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 1, 2013 13:51:32 GMT
You may not like his views but he is entitled to have them. It`s not about what I like or not. It`s about if a footballclub want to employ a manager/boss who speak positive about an ideology which clearly are misanthropic. Whatever you may think, but he is actually in a posistion where he can affect a lot of people with his wiews. So let me ask again: Would you have tolerated that Stoke appointed a manager who told several times that he is a facist and admire Benito Mussolini? Yes.
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Post by bassmaster on Apr 1, 2013 13:52:36 GMT
Some people hold a firm belief that is acceptable, even beneficial to their victims to sexually abuse children. Would you consider they too are entitled to hold such views? No. Where do you draw the line then? Thankfully somewhere different from you as you appear to support a self stated fascist as entitled to their view.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 1, 2013 13:53:30 GMT
At least the coach will run on time
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 1, 2013 13:54:12 GMT
No. Where do you draw the line then? Thankfully somewhere different from you as you appear to support a self stated fascist as entitled to their view. So what would you have done if we had appointed him?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 1, 2013 13:54:36 GMT
How would you react if Stoke appointed a manager with the same political wiews as Di Canio has expressed for several years? Personally I couldn`t have stand to have a self-declared facist as a manager at the club. Even though you shouldn`t mix up political wiews with football or sport, it`s a limit for everything... De Canio has freely admitted he's a fan of Mussolini and a fascist but apparently not a racist Wouldn't touch him with a bargepole.
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Post by bassmaster on Apr 1, 2013 13:57:27 GMT
Thankfully somewhere different from you as you appear to support a self stated fascist as entitled to their view. So what would you have done if we had appointed him? Stopped supporting Stoke City until he and the regime who had appointed him had departed. Simple decision really, if your moral compass is not distorted like some. What a crass use of an emoticon btw. Are you actually eight years old?
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Post by mt on Apr 1, 2013 13:57:46 GMT
It`s not about what I like or not. It`s about if a footballclub want to employ a manager/boss who speak positive about an ideology which clearly are misanthropic. Whatever you may think, but he is actually in a posistion where he can affect a lot of people with his wiews. So let me ask again: Would you have tolerated that Stoke appointed a manager who told several times that he is a facist and admire Benito Mussolini? Yes. So the manager are entitled to have any kind of political wiew as long as he do a good job?
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Post by baystokie on Apr 1, 2013 13:57:59 GMT
How would you react if Stoke appointed a manager with the same political wiews as Di Canio has expressed for several years? Personally I couldn`t have stand to have a self-declared facist as a manager at the club. Even though you shouldn`t mix up political wiews with football or sport, it`s a limit for everything... So you KNOW and ACCEPT the political and personal views of everyone that is currently employed by SCFC? I warrant that you have NO idea of any of the views, likes and dislikes of SCFC staff yet you support them?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 1, 2013 14:00:15 GMT
So what would you have done if we had appointed him? Stopped supporting Stoke City until he and the regime who had appointed him had departed. Simple decision really, if your moral compass is not distorted like some. What a crass use of an emoticon btw. Are you actually eight years old? So you know the beliefs of everyone that works at the club then?
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Post by bassmaster on Apr 1, 2013 14:00:15 GMT
How would you react if Stoke appointed a manager with the same political wiews as Di Canio has expressed for several years? Personally I couldn`t have stand to have a self-declared facist as a manager at the club. Even though you shouldn`t mix up political wiews with football or sport, it`s a limit for everything... So you KNOW and ACCEPT the political and personal views of everyone that is currently employed by SCFC? I warrant that you have NO idea of any of the views, likes and dislikes of SCFC staff yet you support them? Granted but to my knowledge they've not been caught giving fascist salutes at the Brit or stated they are fascists either.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 1, 2013 14:01:24 GMT
How would you react if Stoke appointed a manager with the same political wiews as Di Canio has expressed for several years? Personally I couldn`t have stand to have a self-declared facist as a manager at the club. Even though you shouldn`t mix up political wiews with football or sport, it`s a limit for everything... So you KNOW and ACCEPT the political and personal views of everyone that is currently employed by SCFC? I warrant that you have NO idea of any of the views, likes and dislikes of SCFC staff yet you support them? Beat me to it. What a joke this place is becoming.
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Post by bassmaster on Apr 1, 2013 14:02:22 GMT
Stopped supporting Stoke City until he and the regime who had appointed him had departed. Simple decision really, if your moral compass is not distorted like some. What a crass use of an emoticon btw. Are you actually eight years old? So you know the beliefs of everyone that works at the club then? I refer you to my post above. I realise it all may be a tad complex for an uncritical basic mind.
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Post by baystokie on Apr 1, 2013 14:03:41 GMT
So what would you have done if we had appointed him? Stopped supporting Stoke City until he and the regime who had appointed him had departed. Simple decision really, if your moral compass is not distorted like some. What a crass use of an emoticon btw. Are you actually eight years old? So you would stop supporting SCFC now if you discovered that some of the current regime held views you found unacceptable? How do you know they do not? Love to be on the interview panel when you start asking these 'searching questions'- most applicants would probably tell you to mind your own business
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Post by mt on Apr 1, 2013 14:04:01 GMT
How would you react if Stoke appointed a manager with the same political wiews as Di Canio has expressed for several years? Personally I couldn`t have stand to have a self-declared facist as a manager at the club. Even though you shouldn`t mix up political wiews with football or sport, it`s a limit for everything... So you KNOW and ACCEPT the political and personal views of everyone that is currently employed by SCFC? I warrant that you have NO idea of any of the views, likes and dislikes of SCFC staff yet you support them? Nope. But I do know that none of them still has come out in public to speak about their admiration for facism and Mussolini. If they do, I hope the club have the guts to fire them straight away. If not, then I have to consider if I still want to support the club.
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Post by baystokie on Apr 1, 2013 14:07:10 GMT
So you know the beliefs of everyone that works at the club then? I refer you to my post above. I realise it all may be a tad complex for an uncritical basic mind. 'Abuse is the first refuge of the fettered mind' (Gregor Mendel)
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Post by jeycov on Apr 1, 2013 14:07:23 GMT
An equal concern would be the viewpoints of the playing squad and everyone else involved at the club towards such an appointment.
I accept that we don't know the political and personal views of anyone involved in the club, but I believe that no one at the club has publicly declared an extreme point of view - especially someone in the high profile role of manager, chairman etc
I wouldn't find the situation acceptable for any appointment where such a politically extreme point of view interferes with the running of a club.
Whether I would continue to attend Stoke matches? really not sure
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Post by bassmaster on Apr 1, 2013 14:08:01 GMT
Yeh, what has this place become. Discussing how we would feel, react if we appointed a fascist as head coach. I know it wouldn't trouble you SS (how apt) but others would take this very seriously. A bit like racism in football, it is a serious matter worthy of discussion. Don't fret with your emoticons, it's not like we expect you to get it.
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Post by bassmaster on Apr 1, 2013 14:11:06 GMT
I refer you to my post above. I realise it all may be a tad complex for an uncritical basic mind. 'Abuse is the first refuge of the fettered mind' (Gregor Mendel) Hardly abusive and evidence based.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 1, 2013 14:18:20 GMT
'Abuse is the first refuge of the fettered mind' (Gregor Mendel) Hardly abusive and evidence based.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Apr 1, 2013 14:18:28 GMT
How would you react if Stoke appointed a manager with the same political wiews as Di Canio has expressed for several years? Personally I couldn`t have stand to have a self-declared facist as a manager at the club. Even though you shouldn`t mix up political wiews with football or sport, it`s a limit for everything... Had no idea Di Canio was a facist scummer. I couldn't support a club with him at the helm.
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Post by dudnostokie on Apr 1, 2013 14:21:48 GMT
Get off your high horse bassmaster and stop looking down on others. Granted you have your views and you are entitled to them, but so do others and just because they don't care as much about a managers morals it doesn't make them morons. I personally wouldn't care if a manager has certain political or religious beliefs, and I won't have someone such as yourself looking down on me for it. I have supported Stoke my whole life and I personally wouldn't stop supporting them for anything.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Apr 1, 2013 14:26:55 GMT
Get off your high horse bassmaster and stop looking down on others. Granted you have your views and you are entitled to them, but so do others and just because they don't care as much about a managers morals it doesn't make them morons. I personally wouldn't care if a manager has certain political or religious beliefs, and I won't have someone such as yourself looking down on me for it. I have supported Stoke my whole life and I personally wouldn't stop supporting them for anything. The problem is really around the influence managers/players have on children etc.. I certainly would not want my child being taught by a teacher with such beliefs. Neither would I like such a vile person to represent my football club. Simple really.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 1, 2013 14:29:22 GMT
His views are massively misinterepreted imo. Hes actively supported anti-racism campaigns on numerous occasions and stated that it wasnt necessarily the actions of Mussolini that he supported, but rather that he felt he was "deeply misunderstood".
Hes another guy who left wing happy clapping champagne socialist bastards can take a cheap shot at.
I'd be delighted if we sacked Pulis and brought in someone of Di Canio's ability.
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Post by jonnynico on Apr 1, 2013 14:31:12 GMT
I don't believe in god and pulis does so should I have to stop going because he has a different view than me, don't think so.
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