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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2013 15:28:35 GMT
I know I should respect him foxy and I want to but it's just not there. I wish it was, I really do but I have no emotion towards the bloke other than frustration and that fake hate bollocks that isn't really hate but You know what I mean. Walking home from the pub yesterday still pissed off at what I had witnessed I walked past a newsagents and the billboard had something on it like "TP-Owen still has big part to play". After spending since the 60th minute screaming to get "Owen fucking on" seeing that sign made me fucking angry. He'll kill me I'm sure of it. Don't rejoice too much! I get that mate and I have total respect for any Stokie going to watch us away regularly. More respect than I'll ever have for Pulis. What I don't get is the blind hatred and OTT criticisms of him. We should be better than that. We should but I can only speak for myself on this one, there are two reasons I call him names; 1) In a game situation and the hours preceding it I become a raging ball of hate that isn't me. 2) calling someone a cunt to me isn't that bad a thing, I forget people get insulted, I'm immune to it after years of being abused, abusing and calling myself a cunt So I can go too far. I know it's wrong but I just can't help myself.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 31, 2013 15:32:12 GMT
I get that mate and I have total respect for any Stokie going to watch us away regularly. More respect than I'll ever have for Pulis. What I don't get is the blind hatred and OTT criticisms of him. We should be better than that. We should but I can only speak for myself on this one, there are two reasons I call him names; 1) In a game situation and the hours preceding it I become a raging ball of hate that isn't me. 2) calling someone a cunt to me isn't that bad a thing, I forget people get insulted, I'm immune to it after years of being abused, abusing and calling myself a cunt So I can go too far. I know it's wrong but I just can't help myself. It's part of the game and during a match I get it. On here I don't. I don't want to come across as "holier than thou" and I know it's football not theatre. I just don't think it's warranted on here and given our last five years.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2013 15:34:35 GMT
We should but I can only speak for myself on this one, there are two reasons I call him names; 1) In a game situation and the hours preceding it I become a raging ball of hate that isn't me. 2) calling someone a cunt to me isn't that bad a thing, I forget people get insulted, I'm immune to it after years of being abused, abusing and calling myself a cunt So I can go too far. I know it's wrong but I just can't help myself. It's part of the game and during a match I get it. On here I don't. I don't want to come across as "holier than thou" and I know it's football not theatre. I just don't think it's warranted on here and given our last five years. I understand and I agree, I'm just explaining why I do it, because I do and trying to say I don't is wrong. I don't respect the bloke though so that doesn't help. I know it's wrong but I'm a bit stubborn like a certain Welshman like that!
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Post by Homzy on Mar 31, 2013 15:35:41 GMT
In response to some of the points: 1) The stat about us having eight wins from 42 games is misleading. The second half of last season was crap too (but overall it was still a memorable season due to Europe) but, even though performances were not great, it's difficult to deny we did not have a good first half to this season. We were eighth.
2) I realise that there are only a small number of Stoke fans behaving the way I've described. But it's certainly gone beyond levels you can easily ignore. It's in every post on here, and every even remotely positive tweet I send these days gets met with a torrent of abuse. And yesterday at Everton there was a kick-off in the stands after someone started shouting Pulis out. The positive thing, however, was that he got angrily shot down by a load of other Stokies, and a loud Tony Pulis' Barmy Army chant followed. However, there were also ridiculous chants of 'attack, attack' (ridiculous because they came in the second half, when we did plenty of attacking). Another person near me just abused Shotton instead. This sort of stuff has always gone on, but it's creeping in more and more. It's not helpful to our club, and that is what I meant by everyone should put their energy into supporting the team. 3) I don't disagree with any of the criticism levelled at Pulis on this thread, or much of it elsewhere. However, some people talk about him as if he's relegated three times in a row. Perspective is key. We were eighth FFS! Some posters refuted my claim that we have had a bad second half to the season. If being eighth half way through it does not classify as a good half, I don't know what does.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Mar 31, 2013 15:35:47 GMT
What I don't understand is how people can say that they support the club, but not the manager.
Without a manager, there is no club. He's a part of what Stoke City is today, as will the next manager be.
It's like saying you support the club, but not the players, manager or backroom staff. Without Pulis and the players, we don't have a club, just a name.
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Post by Homzy on Mar 31, 2013 15:37:18 GMT
All the posters crying about the "abuse" tone gets then got on to have there own boo boy player that it is ok to abuse, I smell a whiff of hypocrisy. Especially when they're advocating fighting in the stands. I hope neither of those posts were aimed at me because I certainly do not have a boo boy, nor was I advocating fighting in the stands. I did think it was right that the idiot shouting Pulis out yesterday was told to support the team, but I certainly don't think he deserved to be attacked. And he wasn't, for the record.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 31, 2013 15:38:00 GMT
It's part of the game and during a match I get it. On here I don't. I don't want to come across as "holier than thou" and I know it's football not theatre. I just don't think it's warranted on here and given our last five years. I understand and I agree, I'm just explaining why I do it, because I do and trying to say I don't is wrong. I don't respect the bloke though so that doesn't help. I know it's wrong but I'm a bit stubborn like a certain Welshman like that! I think there's probably a bit of Tone in all of us. Especially if you're Jon Walters
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2013 15:39:01 GMT
We were eighth FFS! Some posters refuted my claim that we have had a bad second half to the season. If being eighth half way through it does not classify as a good half, I don't know what does. Are You on about this season or last? Because if it's this, despite being eighth, I thought it was like tenth ffs, then it's been dreadful. The league position has been irrelevance until now. Now it's the only thing that matters, 17th and up.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Mar 31, 2013 15:42:38 GMT
Especially when they're advocating fighting in the stands. I hope neither of those posts were aimed at me because I certainly do not have a boo boy, nor was I advocating fighting in the stands. I did think it was right that the idiot shouting Pulis out yesterday was told to support the team, but I certainly don't think he deserved to be attacked. And he wasn't, for the record. That will have been aimed at me mate.
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Post by Homzy on Mar 31, 2013 15:42:38 GMT
Some posters refuted my claim that we have had a bad second half to the season. If being eighth half way through it does not classify as a good half, I don't know what does. Are You on about this season or last? Because if it's this, despite being eighth, I thought it was like tenth ffs, then it's been dreadful. The league position has been irrelevance until now. Now it's the only thing that matters, 17th and up. You've lost me with the bold part mate. But league position is never an irrelevance as results are the only sign of how well you're doing.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 31, 2013 15:45:28 GMT
We were eighth FFS! Some posters refuted my claim that we have had a bad second half to the season. If being eighth half way through it does not classify as a good half, I don't know what does. No they were refuting your claim that we've only been bad for half of a season and they were right.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 31, 2013 15:47:39 GMT
Good job I wasn't there. I shout Pulis out almost every week! Haven't fought it out with fellow Stoke fans since we got dicked 4-0 away at Bournemouth many years ago. As for the abuse, I think it is more than fair to say that TP has had a very easy ride from Stoke fans over the last 2 seasons and even more so this season. He is doing a shocking job, has wasted a golden opportunity to take this club to levels beyond our wildest dreams and spunked away an ungodly amount of money to take us backwards at a rate of knots I didn't think was feasible. Pulis is getting off lightly and in my opinion, the opening post is a load of crap. The fans are the very last cause of our current woes. To suggest otherwise is clutching at straws at the very best.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2013 15:48:14 GMT
Are You on about this season or last? Because if it's this, despite being eighth, I thought it was like tenth ffs, then it's been dreadful. The league position has been irrelevance until now. Now it's the only thing that matters, 17th and up. You've lost me with the bold part mate. But league position is never an irrelevance as results are the only sign of how well you're doing. In true me fashion I missed a bastarding word out! That word being "more" and what I mean is I thought that this season we've been in tenth longer than eighth! Just being pernickety. I disagree, we've been awful this season despite being 8th-10th for the most of it. It's been horrible to watch and even if we'd have been safe now I'd want TP gone after the past 18 months of dirge, money wasted and general fuckwittery. Last season was the same, it was a stinker bar Europe and we finished in a half decent position then.
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Post by Homzy on Mar 31, 2013 15:52:04 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2013 15:53:34 GMT
I don't think it is because it was utterly dreadful to watch. This season has been horrible from start to finish. And is a continuation of the shite from last season. 18 months of dirge= Tony bye bye.
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Post by Homzy on Mar 31, 2013 15:55:14 GMT
I don't think it is because it was utterly dreadful to watch. This season has been horrible from start to finish. I agree. It's been awful to watch bar a couple of games all season, but you can't deny we had a successful first half! Unless we've stopped judging success by results?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2013 15:57:36 GMT
I don't think it is because it was utterly dreadful to watch. This season has been horrible from start to finish. I agree. It's been awful to watch bar a couple of games all season, but you can't deny we had a successful first half! Unless we've stopped judging success by results? The whole issue at the moment is the quality of what we're watching! It didn't matter that we were eighth because it was utterly soul destroying to watch. I'm guessing this is the reason why You thought people were missing the point of that thread You posted the other week. They weren't, they're just sick of watching the shit on display irrespective of league position.
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Post by Homzy on Mar 31, 2013 16:02:02 GMT
I agree. It's been awful to watch bar a couple of games all season, but you can't deny we had a successful first half! Unless we've stopped judging success by results? The whole issue at the moment is the quality of what we're watching! It didn't matter that we were eighth because it was utterly soul destroying to watch. I'm guessing this is the reason why You thought people were missing the point of that thread You posted the other week. They weren't, they're just sick of watching the shit on display irrespective of league position. In fairness mate, my point in this thread was never about the standard of football this season. I've just responded to one or two people that denied we'd only (I missed that word out before) had a bad second half. In the first half of the season, although the performances weren't great, we were winning games and the majority of fans were content. We've had a shit 2013 in terms of results and that's all it's taken, after six and a half seasons of good results, for people to start calling the manager a despicable cunt! As much as I'd be up for Pulis going in the summer, I find that hard to take.
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Post by werrington on Mar 31, 2013 16:02:46 GMT
Right here goes
I was one of those who shouted Pulis Out yesterday and indeed was involved in the altercation with a fellow Stoke fan who i sort of know but dont if you know what i mean ?
Do i regret it it?.....maybe i do maybe i dont but its all pent up frustration as i wear my heart on my sleeve and love SCFC.
What i dont want to do is fall out with fellow Stoke fans so i apologise to those who were affected by it but it wasnt a one way street.
The lad i was arguing with was correct in what he was saying that Pulis does not deserve it for what he has done for SCFC but to the same extent we dont deserve the dirge we are watching week after week when its nothing short of Pulis trying to prove a point.
And for the record i travel to nearly every away game so please dont knock those of us who were frustrated yesterday or us not getting behind the lads.
WE ARE ALL STOKE
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 31, 2013 16:06:49 GMT
I don't think it is because it was utterly dreadful to watch. This season has been horrible from start to finish. I agree. It's been awful to watch bar a couple of games all season, but you can't deny we had a successful first half! Unless we've stopped judging success by results? It's about context mate. Go back to December of 2011 and look at our results (it's you've made a point about this) since THEN. What is it, 8 wins in 41 games, the figure that is being banded about, I don't know? Less than a 25% win rate ... we've been poor for ages fella and now it's catching up with us.
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 31, 2013 16:07:17 GMT
I care about NOW and we're heading to the Championship mate. Right on. Supporting Stoke is what's important not supporting Pulis, his tactics and particularly his stubborness are what's behind our continuing fall from grace. That said we need to support the team for all we're worth and hopefully we will stay up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2013 16:08:05 GMT
The whole issue at the moment is the quality of what we're watching! It didn't matter that we were eighth because it was utterly soul destroying to watch. I'm guessing this is the reason why You thought people were missing the point of that thread You posted the other week. They weren't, they're just sick of watching the shit on display irrespective of league position. In fairness mate, my point in this thread was never about the standard of football this season. I've just responded to one or two people that denied we'd only (I missed that word out before) had a bad second half. In the first half of the season, although the performances weren't great, we were winning games and the majority of fans were content. We've had a shit 2013 in terms of results and that's all it's taken, after six and a half seasons of good results, for people to start calling the manager a despicable cunt! As much as I'd be up for Pulis going in the summer, I find that hard to take. And I'm saying I don't think it matters where we were because it was so mindnumbingly boring and terrible to watch so it was a terrible first half of the season and it's been an even worse second half to the season. And I disagree with the content bit as well, there's threads from the end of last season saying what we've been saying for the majority of this season. At the end of the summer transfer window this season I had to call for a friggin' truce because of the sheer disappointment on here. In the stands I think people were bored and not enjoying it. Certainly where I sit, the craic has been better than the games for 18 months. 18 months of being served shit with the undercurrent of dislike there has always been for TP and this was all too inevitable.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Mar 31, 2013 16:08:16 GMT
Right here goes I was one of those who shouted Pulis Out yesterday and indeed was involved in the altercation with a fellow Stoke fan who i sort of know but dont if you know what i mean ? Do i regret it it?.....maybe i do maybe i dont but its all pent up frustration as i wear my heart on my sleeve and love SCFC. What i dont want to do is fall out with fellow Stoke fans so i apologise to those who were affected by it but it wasnt a one way street. The lad i was arguing with was correct in what he was saying that Pulis does not deserve it for what he has done for SCFC but to the same extent we dont deserve the dirge we are watching week after week when its nothing short of Pulis trying to prove a point. And for the record i travel to nearly every away game so please dont knock those of us who were frustrated yesterday or us not getting behind the lads. WE ARE ALL STOKE Not again mate when will you ever learn By the way i share your frustration.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Mar 31, 2013 16:09:51 GMT
Well said Homzy. Whatever you think of him at the moment, it is cowardly to hide behind a keyboard or the anonymity of the crowd and say things that you would not say to his face. There is a boundary that should not be crossed, it is all a bit like bullying at school. If this is taken to it's ultimate I think there is a danger that Peter Coates will walk away from Stoke, he is not going to take the abuse some idiots resorted to in the past. Again well said +1.
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Post by Homzy on Mar 31, 2013 16:15:57 GMT
I agree. It's been awful to watch bar a couple of games all season, but you can't deny we had a successful first half! Unless we've stopped judging success by results? It's about context mate. Go back to December of 2011 and look at our results (it's you've made a point about this) since THEN. What is it, 8 wins in 41 games, the figure that is being banded about, I don't know? Less than a 25% win rate ... we've been poor for ages fella and now it's catching up with us. I honestly don't know how you can use statistics to claim we've been poor for longer than half a season when we were eighth after 19 games. I accept Bayern's point about performances not being great, but anyone that tries to claim the first of this season was not a success in terms of results is off their rocker.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 16:17:07 GMT
Personally, I don't care about the abuse. People deal with situations in their own way. They pay their money and they're entitled to do what they want. If Pulis or anyone else doesn't like it, tough.
I just love my football club and want the best possible for it. Right now, I believe that is without the current manager and I want him removed forthwith.
Given his performance over the last 18 months, I don't believe he deserves to carry on.
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Post by Homzy on Mar 31, 2013 16:17:44 GMT
Right here goes I was one of those who shouted Pulis Out yesterday and indeed was involved in the altercation with a fellow Stoke fan who i sort of know but dont if you know what i mean ? Do i regret it it?.....maybe i do maybe i dont but its all pent up frustration as i wear my heart on my sleeve and love SCFC. What i dont want to do is fall out with fellow Stoke fans so i apologise to those who were affected by it but it wasnt a one way street. The lad i was arguing with was correct in what he was saying that Pulis does not deserve it for what he has done for SCFC but to the same extent we dont deserve the dirge we are watching week after week when its nothing short of Pulis trying to prove a point. And for the record i travel to nearly every away game so please dont knock those of us who were frustrated yesterday or us not getting behind the lads. WE ARE ALL STOKE I don't agree with you shouting Pulis out, but I must say I thought the aggro you were getting (if indeed it was you I was watching) went a bit too far. I was just waiting for a punch to be thrown! So fair play for not resorting to violence.
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Post by werrington on Mar 31, 2013 16:19:43 GMT
Right here goes I was one of those who shouted Pulis Out yesterday and indeed was involved in the altercation with a fellow Stoke fan who i sort of know but dont if you know what i mean ? Do i regret it it?.....maybe i do maybe i dont but its all pent up frustration as i wear my heart on my sleeve and love SCFC. What i dont want to do is fall out with fellow Stoke fans so i apologise to those who were affected by it but it wasnt a one way street. The lad i was arguing with was correct in what he was saying that Pulis does not deserve it for what he has done for SCFC but to the same extent we dont deserve the dirge we are watching week after week when its nothing short of Pulis trying to prove a point. And for the record i travel to nearly every away game so please dont knock those of us who were frustrated yesterday or us not getting behind the lads. WE ARE ALL STOKE I don't agree with you shouting Pulis out, but I must say I thought the aggro you were getting (if indeed it was you I was watching) went a bit too far. I was just waiting for a punch to be thrown! So fair play for not resorting to violence. Dont think that was me mate.......it was the just the two of us disagreeing but sadly it did get heated the first shout came from the paddock section and then about 3 or 4 others joined in
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2013 16:20:38 GMT
When will it be right to shout Pulis out? Because it needs to happen and without it being shouted on the stands then I can't see it happening at all. I'm all for holding my tongue until we're safe but when that safety mathematically comes then it should howled from the roof tops.
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Post by Homzy on Mar 31, 2013 16:23:25 GMT
When will it be right to shout Pulis out? Because it needs to happen and without it being shouted on the stands then I can't see it happening at all. I'm all for holding my tongue until we're safe but when that safety mathematically comes then it should howled from the roof tops. I don't think we should ever shout Pulis out a) because it will never help the team that day and b) because we should respect what Pulis and Coates have done to date to allow the two of them to make the decision when the time is right for a change. I want a new manager in the summer, but I still won't shout Pulis out or call him a cunt next season!
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