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Post by Homzy on Mar 31, 2013 1:45:45 GMT
This isn't a 'remember where you have come from' thread (although I don't think we should forget how bad things have been compared to this), but a 'don't be so ungrateful' one.
Like many, I have become increasingly frustrated with Pulis' attitude and stubbornness this season, and I certainly feel he is the person to blame for our downfall this year. I wouldn't be at all opposed to a change of manager in the summer.
However, I will never, ever, ever turn on Pulis the way some Stoke 'supporters'* have turned on him recently. Some of the hateful abuse the bloke is getting at the moment is an absolute disgrace. He has given many of us our best days as a Stoke fan, yet some people are calling him all the names under the sun because we've had a bad half season. We've had seven straight great seasons under Pulis, and now he's a hate figure. It's shameful.
We're Stoke City, not Manchester United, and we can't expect things to be plain sailing for us forever. We should be putting all our energy into supporting the team and, even if we believe it's time for Pulis to go in the summer, we should support him too while he's our manager as doing anything else is to the detriment of the team. Who needs enemies when you've got friends like Stoke fans?
*Definition of support: 'To aid the cause, policy, or interests of / To argue in favour of; advocate'
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Post by thevoid on Mar 31, 2013 1:49:32 GMT
He deserves the stick he's getting. He's really starting to take the piss out of the Stoke support now.
All he has to do is clear his desk and sod off back to Sandbanks and the moaning will stop.
It really is that simple.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Mar 31, 2013 1:50:15 GMT
This isn't a 'remember where you have come from' thread (although I don't think we should forget how bad things have been compared to this), but a 'don't be so ungrateful' one. Like many, I have become increasingly frustrated with Pulis' attitude and stubbornness this season, and I certainly feel he is the person to blame for our downfall this year. I wouldn't be at all opposed to a change of manager in the summer. However, I will never, ever, ever turn on Pulis the way some Stoke 'supporters'* have turned on him recently. Some of the hateful abuse the bloke is getting at the moment is an absolute disgrace. He has given many of us our best days as a Stoke fan, yet some people are calling him all the names under the sun because we've had a bad half season. We've had seven straight great seasons under Pulis, and now he's a hate figure. It's shameful. We're Stoke City, not Manchester United, and we can't expect things to be plain sailing for us forever. We should be putting all our energy into supporting the team and, even if we believe it's time for Pulis to go in the summer, we should support him too while he's our manager as doing anything else is to the detriment of the team. Who needs enemies when you've got friends like Stoke fans? *Definition of support: 'To aid the cause, policy, or interests of / To argue in favour of; advocate' Well said Sir the manager and the team need us more then ever at this moment in time. |
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Post by Roy Cropper on Mar 31, 2013 1:59:21 GMT
Well said Homzy, he's really pissed me off at times and I'm sitting entirely on the fence, I'm not too fussed if he stays or goes. However, some of the hatred towards him is bang out of order.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2013 2:00:52 GMT
Strange to have a go at the support of the team Homzy, I can see why some people won't like the name calling (it doesn't bother me) but the support of the team has been excellent, in fact beyond excellent. It's simply not an issue.
Until we're safe I think it'll stay that way, then I hope he's hounded out because it's what it will take. He needs to go and I can't see Coates doing it unless there's a revolt. But we have to be revolting (more so than usual *teethy smile*) once we're safe.
Oh and we've been shit for 18 months!
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 31, 2013 2:30:23 GMT
I'm not comfortable with outright personal abuse of the manager even though I am far from his biggest fan.
I can understand that people will say he brings it on himself with his patronising comments but I'm not sure it is anything deliberately nasty; I actually think he isn't very bright when it comes to expressing himself.
Anyway the best thing that can happen for the club and supporters is that this season ends as quickly as possible with us still in the Premier League.
A long hard look at where the football side of the club is going will then be required.
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Post by starkiller on Mar 31, 2013 2:33:05 GMT
I care about NOW and we're heading to the Championship mate.
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Post by block30row19 on Mar 31, 2013 3:09:18 GMT
This isn't a 'remember where you have come from' thread (although I don't think we should forget how bad things have been compared to this), but a 'don't be so ungrateful' one. Like many, I have become increasingly frustrated with Pulis' attitude and stubbornness this season, and I certainly feel he is the person to blame for our downfall this year. I wouldn't be at all opposed to a change of manager in the summer. However, I will never, ever, ever turn on Pulis the way some Stoke 'supporters'* have turned on him recently. Some of the hateful abuse the bloke is getting at the moment is an absolute disgrace. He has given many of us our best days as a Stoke fan, yet some people are calling him all the names under the sun because we've had a bad half season. We've had seven straight great seasons under Pulis, and now he's a hate figure. It's shameful. We're Stoke City, not Manchester United, and we can't expect things to be plain sailing for us forever. We should be putting all our energy into supporting the team and, even if we believe it's time for Pulis to go in the summer, we should support him too while he's our manager as doing anything else is to the detriment of the team. Who needs enemies when you've got friends like Stoke fans? *Definition of support: 'To aid the cause, policy, or interests of / To argue in favour of; advocate' I agree with you on this one. I think the way people react to situations is a reflection of the type of person you are. Make of that whatever you want !! |
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Post by Northy on Mar 31, 2013 6:08:31 GMT
This isn't a 'remember where you have come from' thread (although I don't think we should forget how bad things have been compared to this), but a 'don't be so ungrateful' one. Like many, I have become increasingly frustrated with Pulis' attitude and stubbornness this season, and I certainly feel he is the person to blame for our downfall this year. I wouldn't be at all opposed to a change of manager in the summer. However, I will never, ever, ever turn on Pulis the way some Stoke 'supporters'* have turned on him recently. Some of the hateful abuse the bloke is getting at the moment is an absolute disgrace. He has given many of us our best days as a Stoke fan, yet some people are calling him all the names under the sun because we've had a bad half season. We've had seven straight great seasons under Pulis, and now he's a hate figure. It's shameful. We're Stoke City, not Manchester United, and we can't expect things to be plain sailing for us forever. We should be putting all our energy into supporting the team and, even if we believe it's time for Pulis to go in the summer, we should support him too while he's our manager as doing anything else is to the detriment of the team. Who needs enemies when you've got friends like Stoke fans? *Definition of support: 'To aid the cause, policy, or interests of / To argue in favour of; advocate' We are Stoke City supporters, managers, players, chairman, come and go, Stoke City remains the constant to support |
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Post by Boothen on Mar 31, 2013 6:16:54 GMT
I support Stoke City, always have and always will! I do not support the joke of a manager!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 6:22:35 GMT
This isn't a 'remember where you have come from' thread (although I don't think we should forget how bad things have been compared to this), but a 'don't be so ungrateful' one. Like many, I have become increasingly frustrated with Pulis' attitude and stubbornness this season, and I certainly feel he is the person to blame for our downfall this year. I wouldn't be at all opposed to a change of manager in the summer. However, I will never, ever, ever turn on Pulis the way some Stoke 'supporters'* have turned on him recently. Some of the hateful abuse the bloke is getting at the moment is an absolute disgrace. He has given many of us our best days as a Stoke fan, yet some people are calling him all the names under the sun because we've had a bad half season. We've had seven straight great seasons under Pulis, and now he's a hate figure. It's shameful. We're Stoke City, not Manchester United, and we can't expect things to be plain sailing for us forever. We should be putting all our energy into supporting the team and, even if we believe it's time for Pulis to go in the summer, we should support him too while he's our manager as doing anything else is to the detriment of the team. Who needs enemies when you've got friends like Stoke fans? *Definition of support: 'To aid the cause, policy, or interests of / To argue in favour of; advocate' Well said, Homzy. But you're wasting your time with this, on here. If anything, the only thing posting the opposite view does is allow more/worse of the slagging off to occur. I'll be one of the absent from here until the season is over; then I'll be back (as ever) - whether we're up/down and/or Our Tone is here/gone. Sad all around, really. But that's us, eh.  |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 31, 2013 6:40:00 GMT
I agree that the personal abuse is wrong however I think Homzy's post perhaps over eggs the pudding a bit as there aren't that many who are doing it.
Let's put it this way, I believe there are far more who are like me and grateful for what Tone has done for Stoke City but who also realise it is perhaps time for a change at the helm.
I just pray we stay up so he can have a deserved and very dignified exit.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 31, 2013 6:51:03 GMT
I agree that the personal abuse is wrong however I think Homzy's post perhaps over eggs the pudding a bit as there aren't that many who are doing it. Let's put it this way, I believe there are far more who are like me and grateful for what Tone has done for Stoke City but who also realise it is perhaps time for a change at the helm. I just pray we stay up so he can have a deserved and very dignified exit. I think we have to recognise what pulis has done for the club when he goes I will be very sad and not a little nervous about the future . However tony has performed Poorly this seasons in all areas of , player purchase , tactics, team selections. He may have gone stale on the job , he's been 10years at . It happens to us all it's happened to me . I hope he takes a look at this and either re- invents himself or leaves |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 31, 2013 6:51:30 GMT
This isn't a 'remember where you have come from' thread (although I don't think we should forget how bad things have been compared to this), but a 'don't be so ungrateful' one. Like many, I have become increasingly frustrated with Pulis' attitude and stubbornness this season, and I certainly feel he is the person to blame for our downfall this year. I wouldn't be at all opposed to a change of manager in the summer. However, I will never, ever, ever turn on Pulis the way some Stoke 'supporters'* have turned on him recently. Some of the hateful abuse the bloke is getting at the moment is an absolute disgrace. He has given many of us our best days as a Stoke fan, yet some people are calling him all the names under the sun because we've had a bad half season. We've had seven straight great seasons under Pulis, and now he's a hate figure. It's shameful. We're Stoke City, not Manchester United, and we can't expect things to be plain sailing for us forever. We should be putting all our energy into supporting the team and, even if we believe it's time for Pulis to go in the summer, we should support him too while he's our manager as doing anything else is to the detriment of the team. Who needs enemies when you've got friends like Stoke fans? *Definition of support: 'To aid the cause, policy, or interests of / To argue in favour of; advocate' Well said, Homzy. But you're wasting your time with this, on here. If anything, the only thing posting the opposite view does is allow more/worse of the slagging off to occur. I'll be one of the absent from here until the season is over; then I'll be back (as ever) - whether we're up/down and/or Our Tone is here/gone. Sad all around, really. But that's us, eh. Homzy. Mark W and Andy Har make excellent points. Yes, TP is the architect of his (and our) current plight. But, given what he has done for this club in his second spell, he really doesn't deserve the personal abuse he is getting from some on here. In fact, being the stubborn sod that he is, the more personal abuse hurled at TP the less likely he is to fall on his sword and quit. And given the close Personal friendship between the two men, the more Coates sees his friend being vilified, the less likely he is to dismiss him. My biggest criticism of TP since the Cup Final is that he has taken his eye off the ball and got his priorities wrong. He has not replaced out of form or out of favour players like Pennant and Ethers and he seems incapable of realising how replacing Jones with Crouch in our set up has deprived the team of the power and strength which was its hallmark. Some of the fans are equally guilty of taking their eye off the ball. The important thing is to make the management and owners aware of our concerns with what is happening on the pitch and our heartfelt need for change. But a section of the fan base seems to think that personal abuse and constant carping is better than reasoned and sensible argument. For those with long memories it is a bit reminiscent of the booing and abuse that Waddo was subjected to in his final season. Waddo, unlike TP, was not responsible for the events which led to the team's demise. I suppose given the sickening abuse Waddo received from some of the fans, it was predictable that, nearly 40 years later, a section of the fan base would behave in the same way. What is needed now is a united fanbase, yet the gratuitous abuse from a section means that unity is not really on the agenda - a great pity.  |
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Post by Pedropotter on Mar 31, 2013 6:52:39 GMT
This isn't a 'remember where you have come from' thread (although I don't think we should forget how bad things have been compared to this), but a 'don't be so ungrateful' one. Like many, I have become increasingly frustrated with Pulis' attitude and stubbornness this season, and I certainly feel he is the person to blame for our downfall this year. I wouldn't be at all opposed to a change of manager in the summer. However, I will never, ever, ever turn on Pulis the way some Stoke 'supporters'* have turned on him recently. Some of the hateful abuse the bloke is getting at the moment is an absolute disgrace. He has given many of us our best days as a Stoke fan, yet some people are calling him all the names under the sun because we've had a bad half season. We've had seven straight great seasons under Pulis, and now he's a hate figure. It's shameful. We're Stoke City, not Manchester United, and we can't expect things to be plain sailing for us forever. We should be putting all our energy into supporting the team and, even if we believe it's time for Pulis to go in the summer, we should support him too while he's our manager as doing anything else is to the detriment of the team. Who needs enemies when you've got friends like Stoke fans? *Definition of support: 'To aid the cause, policy, or interests of / To argue in favour of; advocate' A fine post. Its all down to a lack of respect. Like a good many people I think we are ready for a change, but to give the man that has delivered the dream dogs abuse is bang out of order. |
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Post by bassmaster on Mar 31, 2013 7:00:58 GMT
This isn't a 'remember where you have come from' thread (although I don't think we should forget how bad things have been compared to this), but a 'don't be so ungrateful' one. Like many, I have become increasingly frustrated with Pulis' attitude and stubbornness this season, and I certainly feel he is the person to blame for our downfall this year. I wouldn't be at all opposed to a change of manager in the summer. However, I will never, ever, ever turn on Pulis the way some Stoke 'supporters'* have turned on him recently. Some of the hateful abuse the bloke is getting at the moment is an absolute disgrace. He has given many of us our best days as a Stoke fan, yet some people are calling him all the names under the sun because we've had a bad half season. We've had seven straight great seasons under Pulis, and now he's a hate figure. It's shameful. We're Stoke City, not Manchester United, and we can't expect things to be plain sailing for us forever. We should be putting all our energy into supporting the team and, even if we believe it's time for Pulis to go in the summer, we should support him too while he's our manager as doing anything else is to the detriment of the team. Who needs enemies when you've got friends like Stoke fans? *Definition of support: 'To aid the cause, policy, or interests of / To argue in favour of; advocate' Well said Sir the manager and the team need us more then ever at this moment in time. What a load of twaddle. Some people are worried we will get 'steak and chips' again next year served up by master chef. The fact this has not spilled over into match days is a credit to the supporters who attend, who again sounded great and behind the team at Everton. We are garbage or, 'rudimentary' as Keown put it yesterday and have been for some time and do not need any patronising reminder of who we are not. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 7:04:31 GMT
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Mar 31, 2013 7:06:26 GMT
Crap manager that assembled a crap team
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Post by harryh157 on Mar 31, 2013 7:16:46 GMT
Well said Sir the manager and the team need us more then ever at this moment in time. What a load of twaddle. Some people are worried we will get 'steak and chips' again next year served up by master chef. The fact this has not spilled over into match days is a credit to the supporters who attend, who again sounded great and behind the team at Everton. We are garbage or, 'rudimentary' as Keown put it yesterday and have been for some time and do not need any patronising reminder of who we are not. That it has not spilled over to match days is more likely indicative of the comments on this board not being representative of the wider support base. Everybody can see that there are things which are wrong at the moment and the summer is the time to look at them; well everybody but few posters on this board. |
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Mar 31, 2013 7:24:22 GMT
This isn't a 'remember where you have come from' thread (although I don't think we should forget how bad things have been compared to this), but a 'don't be so ungrateful' one. Like many, I have become increasingly frustrated with Pulis' attitude and stubbornness this season, and I certainly feel he is the person to blame for our downfall this year. I wouldn't be at all opposed to a change of manager in the summer. However, I will never, ever, ever turn on Pulis the way some Stoke 'supporters'* have turned on him recently. Some of the hateful abuse the bloke is getting at the moment is an absolute disgrace. He has given many of us our best days as a Stoke fan, yet some people are calling him all the names under the sun because we've had a bad half season. We've had seven straight great seasons under Pulis, and now he's a hate figure. It's shameful. We're Stoke City, not Manchester United, and we can't expect things to be plain sailing for us forever. We should be putting all our energy into supporting the team and, even if we believe it's time for Pulis to go in the summer, we should support him too while he's our manager as doing anything else is to the detriment of the team. Who needs enemies when you've got friends like Stoke fans? *Definition of support: 'To aid the cause, policy, or interests of / To argue in favour of; advocate' Mark the fans have been brilliant and any discredit the capped one is getting now he has totally brought upon himself. |
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Mar 31, 2013 7:25:35 GMT
What a load of twaddle. Some people are worried we will get 'steak and chips' again next year served up by master chef. The fact this has not spilled over into match days is a credit to the supporters who attend, who again sounded great and behind the team at Everton. We are garbage or, 'rudimentary' as Keown put it yesterday and have been for some time and do not need any patronising reminder of who we are not. That it has not spilled over to match days is more likely indicative of the comments on this board not being representative of the wider support base. Everybody can see that there are things which are wrong at the moment and the summer is the time to look at them; well everybody but few posters on this board. Would it concern you if you thought nothing was changing |
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Post by ST5-POTTER on Mar 31, 2013 7:28:12 GMT
The bloke is a complete hypocrite.
Bemoans the lack of goals, refuses to play someone who could finish the chances we have (see Walters chance yesterday)
Has stated several times the strikers have no service but plays a defender and a forward on the wings
Said only sensible fans would not question him, came out week after and said he would never criticise the fans
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Mar 31, 2013 7:30:31 GMT
The bloke is a complete hypocrite. Bemoans the lack of goals, refuses to play someone who could finish the chances we have (see Walters chance yesterday) Has stated several times the strikers have no service but plays a defender and a forward on the wings Said only sensible fans would not question him, came out week after and said he would never criticise the fans That's the key, you could show quotes from pulis last week which he totally contradicted this week he's all over the place. Suggests he's lost the plot. |
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Post by bassmaster on Mar 31, 2013 7:30:33 GMT
What a load of twaddle. Some people are worried we will get 'steak and chips' again next year served up by master chef. The fact this has not spilled over into match days is a credit to the supporters who attend, who again sounded great and behind the team at Everton. We are garbage or, 'rudimentary' as Keown put it yesterday and have been for some time and do not need any patronising reminder of who we are not. That it has not spilled over to match days is more likely indicative of the comments on this board not being representative of the wider support base. Everybody can see that there are things which are wrong at the moment and the summer is the time to look at them; well everybody but few posters on this board. Rubbish. It is indicative of the fact that the original poster is talking shite and despite Pulis, people are intelligent enough to know venting their anger at the game could have a detrimental effect on the team they support. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 31, 2013 7:32:29 GMT
Whilst I do not like the extreme nature of some, I don't think we are any different from most fans. One only had to recently glance at an Arsenal message board, or a Sunderland board or 3 games ago our victors yesterday
Indeed Homzy I think the majority of our fans have stuck with the team, and therefore the manager much longer than I would of predicted, where it matters, on the pitch.
Take Lord Eff above. Types what he feels on here, but tips up, just like Jarhead etc etc and supports the team on the day.
The only time it really spilt out on the terraces this time around was West Ham 3 seasons ago when it really did turn nasty
We have a very passionate support, so we can not be amazed that when we are in such a bad run, some of that spills over, albeit some too extreme. We simply can't have it both ways. It is a heady mixture of emotion, love of the team, perhaps the inability of some to express themselves in a way you are lucky too. Listen to the language used around many a workplace and I think you will find little difference from what us typed on here by some
The root cause is not just now, but the last 18 months. The frustration spills over. The pre and post match interviews do not help. Indeed they add fuel to the fire. Yes he has achieved a lot (money aside, he was the one who did it, could others? Of that I have no doubt, but he was the man in charge), but in the last 18 months he has been his own worst enemy and from my perspective has undone the majority of what he had achieved. We are now where we are due to he. In a relegation scrap. There truly was no need. Even yesterday the team news was met with groans and a 'what a stubborn twat' from our lot and quite a few audible OFFS etc elsewhere. He deserved that, but we all trundle led out at Goodison and gave the team the support
You are right re the extremes and they are wrong, but for you to indicate Stoke fans are somehow unique is simply silly, nor that they will not act like any other team's supporters going through the same run if form.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 31, 2013 7:34:53 GMT
This isn't a 'remember where you have come from' thread (although I don't think we should forget how bad things have been compared to this), but a 'don't be so ungrateful' one. Like many, I have become increasingly frustrated with Pulis' attitude and stubbornness this season, and I certainly feel he is the person to blame for our downfall this year. I wouldn't be at all opposed to a change of manager in the summer. However, I will never, ever, ever turn on Pulis the way some Stoke 'supporters'* have turned on him recently. Some of the hateful abuse the bloke is getting at the moment is an absolute disgrace. He has given many of us our best days as a Stoke fan, yet some people are calling him all the names under the sun because we've had a bad half season. We've had seven straight great seasons under Pulis, and now he's a hate figure. It's shameful. We're Stoke City, not Manchester United, and we can't expect things to be plain sailing for us forever. We should be putting all our energy into supporting the team and, even if we believe it's time for Pulis to go in the summer, we should support him too while he's our manager as doing anything else is to the detriment of the team. Who needs enemies when you've got friends like Stoke fans? *Definition of support: 'To aid the cause, policy, or interests of / To argue in favour of; advocate' The manager has brought everything on himself with his inept management and breathtaking arrogance. Some fans are more vociferous than others, big deal. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 31, 2013 7:39:35 GMT
What a load of twaddle. Some people are worried we will get 'steak and chips' again next year served up by master chef. The fact this has not spilled over into match days is a credit to the supporters who attend, who again sounded great and behind the team at Everton. We are garbage or, 'rudimentary' as Keown put it yesterday and have been for some time and do not need any patronising reminder of who we are not. That it has not spilled over to match days is more likely indicative of the comments on this board not being representative of the wider support base. Everybody can see that there are things which are wrong at the moment and the summer is the time to look at them; well everybody but few posters on this board. Harry I think you need to surf more . It is everywhere on any SCFC message board. It has spilled over in to match days. Listen to the chatter on the way to the ground or at half time. You should of heard the comments when the team news came through yesterday at Goodison. But credit where it is due and it is in the main left on the concourse and the support was as usual there on the terrace where it matters Where I take issue with you and Homzy is the belief that supporters should wait until summer. Football is an emotive game and our demise is happening right in front of our own eyes. The support remains on the terrace, but I can see nothing wrong with supporters venting their frustration on a message board, except for the extremes, which is up to people to report to the mods |
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Mar 31, 2013 7:43:58 GMT
It'll all spill over against villa don't worry about that.
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Post by northantsash on Mar 31, 2013 7:51:14 GMT
pulis is receiving criticism because of the absolute contempt with which he speaks about the support on the radio after games and his inability to change tactics/personnel. the problem culture amongst the stoke support is we don't like to complain, all of us are grateful for getting to wembley twice and being able to see us take on the likes of valencia. how the manager is acting now is threatening to risk all of the chances of that happening again in the future and our immediate plight, potentially dropping out of the premier league.
the results and performances this season have been some of the worst in the 5 years since we have come up, and yes some it is down to luck, bad decisions and the like, but take yesterday, conceding a goal so easily and poor finishing arguably cost us a point if not 3.
the point is we look utterly toothless with crouch in attack and without proper wingers on the pitch, but have done so for 12 games and
NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
other managers have paid with their job for such an inability to change, yet pulis remains in charge. Im not saying he should be sacked its too late for that, but if he does not take us down this year then bar an amazing turnaround in tactics, we are prime candidates next year with him in charge.
compare it to a business, they have to diversify and consistently vary their approach in order to meet the changing needs of consumers, the style of football also changes over time, in this country we are firmly moving towards a passing game and you need to adapt to not get left behind. as someone else put on a thread last night, for the likes of allardyce and pulis, the old guard long ball merchants, their days are numbered.
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Post by fca47 on Mar 31, 2013 7:59:53 GMT
Well said Homzy. Whatever you think of him at the moment, it is cowardly to hide behind a keyboard or the anonymity of the crowd and say things that you would not say to his face. There is a boundary that should not be crossed, it is all a bit like bullying at school. If this is taken to it's ultimate I think there is a danger that Peter Coates will walk away from Stoke, he is not going to take the abuse some idiots resorted to in the past.
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