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Post by harryh157 on Mar 31, 2013 8:00:29 GMT
That it has not spilled over to match days is more likely indicative of the comments on this board not being representative of the wider support base. Everybody can see that there are things which are wrong at the moment and the summer is the time to look at them; well everybody but few posters on this board. Harry I think you need to surf more . It is everywhere on any SCFC message board. It has spilled over in to match days. Listen to the chatter on the way to the ground or at half time. You should of heard the comments when the team news came through yesterday at Goodison. But credit where it is due and it is in the main left on the concourse and the support was as usual there on the terrace where it matters Where I take issue with you and Homzy is the belief that supporters should wait until summer. Football is an emotive game and our demise is happening right in front of our own eyes. The support remains on the terrace, but I can see nothing wrong with supporters venting their frustration on a message board, except for the extremes, which is up to people to report to the mods Maybe you are right, I don't spend much time on the internet; I do, however, go to games home and away. In my opinion most people think that this summer is the time to make changes including possibly the manager. I don't think I've met anybody who can make a compelling argument that changing manager now will improve our chances of survival.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 31, 2013 8:02:50 GMT
I to go home and away an all. I was making the point re not moaning, worrying right now, not when he should go
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Post by bunnyscfc on Mar 31, 2013 8:03:11 GMT
, football runs the full range of emotions. The passion you see at matches is unique ans for me makes it the greatest game of all. But there still is a line.
when I sit behind a keyboard I hope that I can still write with passion, but also with balance. Whatever anyone thinks of TP he does NOT deserve the level of abuse he gets from some people. Saturday could be a poisonous atmosphere, and in truth, TP deserves to know what we think. But it sickens me when I hear stuff like this during a game.
Perhaps I'm. A big softie but the big agenda v Villa is simply beating them, and then hope the piers that be do the right thing (IMHO) in the summer,
Losing simply cannot be an option.
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Mar 31, 2013 8:05:34 GMT
Whilst I do not like the extreme nature of some, I don't think we are any different from most fans. One only had to recently glance at an Arsenal message board... That's just it. We've descended to the level of Arsenal supporters.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 31, 2013 8:10:24 GMT
Well said Homzy. Whatever you think of him at the moment, it is cowardly to hide behind a keyboard or the anonymity of the crowd and say things that you would not say to his face. There is a boundary that should not be crossed, it is all a bit like bullying at school. If this is taken to it's ultimate I think there is a danger that Peter Coates will walk away from Stoke, he is not going to take the abuse some idiots resorted to in the past. I'll be honest, if it's a choice between another 5 years of TP and PC fucking off I'll take the latter. Really can't see it coming to that, TP is NOT bigger than the club, never has been never will be.
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Post by larrypotter on Mar 31, 2013 8:10:35 GMT
Well said the OP. We've been here before with Waddo. It was shameful then, it's shameful now.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 31, 2013 8:13:40 GMT
Well said the OP. We've been here before with Waddo. It was shameful then, it's shameful now. Bollocks. It's a completely different scenario.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 31, 2013 8:15:17 GMT
Well said the OP. We've been here before with Waddo. It was shameful then, it's shameful now. Bollocks. It's a completely different scenario. It is like the Charlton spouted crap isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 8:16:33 GMT
Perhaps fans are getting fed up of his constant crap about being the 12th man and being there for his team! Te fans are doing there bit but the lazy arsed twat of a manager certainly isn't doing his!!
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Post by elystokie on Mar 31, 2013 8:19:47 GMT
Bollocks. It's a completely different scenario. It is like the Charlton spouted crap isn't it? Absolutely.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Mar 31, 2013 8:39:18 GMT
This isn't a 'remember where you have come from' thread (although I don't think we should forget how bad things have been compared to this), but a 'don't be so ungrateful' one. Like many, I have become increasingly frustrated with Pulis' attitude and stubbornness this season, and I certainly feel he is the person to blame for our downfall this year. I wouldn't be at all opposed to a change of manager in the summer. However, I will never, ever, ever turn on Pulis the way some Stoke 'supporters'* have turned on him recently. Some of the hateful abuse the bloke is getting at the moment is an absolute disgrace. He has given many of us our best days as a Stoke fan, yet some people are calling him all the names under the sun because we've had a bad half season. We've had seven straight great seasons under Pulis, and now he's a hate figure. It's shameful. We're Stoke City, not Manchester United, and we can't expect things to be plain sailing for us forever. We should be putting all our energy into supporting the team and, even if we believe it's time for Pulis to go in the summer, we should support him too while he's our manager as doing anything else is to the detriment of the team. Who needs enemies when you've got friends like Stoke fans? *Definition of support: 'To aid the cause, policy, or interests of / To argue in favour of; advocate' Top post. Been saying this for weeks. smiley-face-thumb
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Post by owdestokie on Mar 31, 2013 8:50:12 GMT
Spot on post which will go down well with the usual suspects. It's all about opinions but some of the vile personal comment on here is nothing short of a disgrace
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Mar 31, 2013 9:05:41 GMT
This isn't a 'remember where you have come from' thread (although I don't think we should forget how bad things have been compared to this), but a 'don't be so ungrateful' one. Like many, I have become increasingly frustrated with Pulis' attitude and stubbornness this season, and I certainly feel he is the person to blame for our downfall this year. I wouldn't be at all opposed to a change of manager in the summer. However, I will never, ever, ever turn on Pulis the way some Stoke 'supporters'* have turned on him recently. Some of the hateful abuse the bloke is getting at the moment is an absolute disgrace. He has given many of us our best days as a Stoke fan, yet some people are calling him all the names under the sun because we've had a bad half season. We've had seven straight great seasons under Pulis, and now he's a hate figure. It's shameful. We're Stoke City, not Manchester United, and we can't expect things to be plain sailing for us forever. We should be putting all our energy into supporting the team and, even if we believe it's time for Pulis to go in the summer, we should support him too while he's our manager as doing anything else is to the detriment of the team. Who needs enemies when you've got friends like Stoke fans? *Definition of support: 'To aid the cause, policy, or interests of / To argue in favour of; advocate' Jesus, you're acting like people are putting horse heads in his bed down Sandbanks and sending "the lads" to see Deb. Why does the odd swear against Pulis on the internet bother people so much? The Stoke support, by and large, have been superb with their support on match days and have tried to spur on a team that's given us nothing to get excited about this past 18 or so months. It's football, what do you expect? It flirts with all the emotions and this messageboard is a way of venting the frustrations that build up over 90 minutes on a Saturday, usually. I'd much rather see people let off steam and call Pulis a cunt on here than go to the ground and do it there. Stoke fans aren't a joke, get over yourself.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Mar 31, 2013 9:05:47 GMT
Spot on post which will go down well with the usual suspects. It's all about opinions but some of the vile personal comment on here is nothing short of a disgrace To be honest I used to wind them up by giving it some back but have decided that they really are not worthy of reply. Let them get on with it.
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Post by keasie1863 on Mar 31, 2013 9:06:29 GMT
Well said Homzy. Whatever you think of him at the moment, it is cowardly to hide behind a keyboard or the anonymity of the crowd and say things that you would not say to his face. There is a boundary that should not be crossed, it is all a bit like bullying at school. If this is taken to it's ultimate I think there is a danger that Peter Coates will walk away from Stoke, he is not going to take the abuse some idiots resorted to in the past. Wrong, wrong, fucking wrong.give me nige's microphone and I will ask him all the questions I want answers to. but unfortunately I will never get near the man to have the chance.and if I did the interview would be cut short prematurely. This is the problem with the man, immune from criticism, arrogant and patronising. The frightening thing for me is the owner seems to be doing nothing, which in my opinion is the most worrying aspect, and could ultimately take us down.as for you homzy, you are going down the wrong road calling some stoke fans "a joke".the yhing is we cant all be as articulate as you, and peoples anger vents itself in different forms, whether you agree with them or not, people are just as passionate, so I respectfully ask you to take that stupid comment back.
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Post by adi on Mar 31, 2013 9:06:58 GMT
He has to go at the end of the season. Awful team selection, bad business in the transfer markets and stupidly stubborn.
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Post by adi on Mar 31, 2013 9:09:37 GMT
Well said Homzy. Whatever you think of him at the moment, it is cowardly to hide behind a keyboard or the anonymity of the crowd and say things that you would not say to his face. There is a boundary that should not be crossed, it is all a bit like bullying at school. If this is taken to it's ultimate I think there is a danger that Peter Coates will walk away from Stoke, he is not going to take the abuse some idiots resorted to in the past. Ill get on the blower to him now then, whats his mobile number?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 31, 2013 9:10:35 GMT
8 wins out of the last 42 leagues games is a long half season!
The fans are the least of our worries right now and were right behind the team AGAIN yesterday. If anyone at all is least deserving of the shit Pulis is serving up right now it is the fans.
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Post by Harpoon Louie on Mar 31, 2013 9:22:21 GMT
Homzy, the trouble with Pulis is that he doesnt help himself. He says one thing, then does another. He patronises the shit out of the support, whilst doing exactly the same thing on the pitch, week in, week out. To be fair hes always done this but it didnt matter when we were getting results, because its a results business, and the league table is what matters at the end of the season.
Since the start of the new year we've scored six league goals. Six league goals in nearly three months, and Pulis blames this on luck. Jesus, if I was performing this badly at work I would be out on my arse, or at minimum hauled across the coals and interrogated as to why I wasnt changing things. If I went from doing a good job to a piss poor one, would my previous achievements protect me? Only for a short while.
If Pulis had done everything on a shoestring, then Id back him 100%. If he changed things and we were still shit then at least hes trying. At the moment he's either taking the piss (as much as I dislike the man I'd be surprised if this was the case) or he genuinely thinks we've been unlucky and thats why he wont change it. Which is really worrying.
Sorry Crouchy, I like you fella, but thank god you got that smack in the mouth that f**ked your teeth up. It may have brought us the points that keep us up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 9:29:25 GMT
This isn't a 'remember where you have come from' thread (although I don't think we should forget how bad things have been compared to this), but a 'don't be so ungrateful' one. Like many, I have become increasingly frustrated with Pulis' attitude and stubbornness this season, and I certainly feel he is the person to blame for our downfall this year. I wouldn't be at all opposed to a change of manager in the summer. However, I will never, ever, ever turn on Pulis the way some Stoke 'supporters'* have turned on him recently. Some of the hateful abuse the bloke is getting at the moment is an absolute disgrace. He has given many of us our best days as a Stoke fan, yet some people are calling him all the names under the sun because we've had a bad half season. We've had seven straight great seasons under Pulis, and now he's a hate figure. It's shameful. We're Stoke City, not Manchester United, and we can't expect things to be plain sailing for us forever. We should be putting all our energy into supporting the team and, even if we believe it's time for Pulis to go in the summer, we should support him too while he's our manager as doing anything else is to the detriment of the team. Who needs enemies when you've got friends like Stoke fans? *Definition of support: 'To aid the cause, policy, or interests of / To argue in favour of; advocate' Go back to writing that Mickey Mouse piece you do.
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Post by skip on Mar 31, 2013 9:31:45 GMT
Football managers are increasingly like politicians. When there is public displays of disaffection they appear totally incapable of addressing those that oppose them - including those that previously showed support - or more simple than that, they are incapable of understanding what the frustration is borne out of. Pulis is no worse than any other in that respect but the sideways swipes at the fans and all this bollocks about steak and chips is Pulis bearing his teeth. Before he goes I think he's got in him to drop his towel and headbutt the whole of the Boothen. *reaches for brain bleach*
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Post by Big Al on Mar 31, 2013 9:33:51 GMT
I think it all comes down to history, Pulis was never wanted back by a large portion of the fan base after the binary season. All he managed to do is keep the wolves from the door so to speak. Tolerated never welcomed.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Mar 31, 2013 9:35:04 GMT
Some people confuse criticism with abuse and deep concern with disloyalty........
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 31, 2013 9:37:56 GMT
Some people confuse criticism with abuse and deep concern with disloyalty........ I don't think Homzy is confusing those things (because some are) but he is labouring the point a bit as Tone isn't getting anywhere near the stick other managers at other clubs would get after 8 wins in 42 games. A few people being a bit extreme on here doesn't really mean much. Lots of people being desperately concerned with the direction Tone is taking us, is something else entirely.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 31, 2013 9:40:13 GMT
Crap manager that assembled a crap team absolute rubbish m'lord....crap tactical manager whose bought some very good quality players. HE is the one who then doesnt play them and instead plays the same core group of players over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Look at some of the talent he DOESNT play week in week out. Its a squad game these days, using a group of 25 - yes TWENTY FIVE players.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 9:43:05 GMT
I agree with Homzy that the personal abuse is very sad and uncalled for.
I disagree that it's been half a bad season. It's been two very poor ones.
Broadly agree with his main point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 9:45:02 GMT
Well said Homzy. Whatever you think of him at the moment, it is cowardly to hide behind a keyboard or the anonymity of the crowd and say things that you would not say to his face. There is a boundary that should not be crossed, it is all a bit like bullying at school. If this is taken to it's ultimate I think there is a danger that Peter Coates will walk away from Stoke, he is not going to take the abuse some idiots resorted to in the past. FCA, I think that given the chance, 95% of folk on here would love to say what they write on here to TP's face. The fact that he outright refuses to hold a meet the manager sessions means we dont get the opportunity to. Do not, and this applies to Homzy and others too, for one minute mistake the numbers of people who have 'turned' and put them in the same basket as the likes of Pugsley and Jarhead. These two are in a VERY small group who never have liked the manager. Do not also think that it is because of a poor half season - more like a disastrous half season. It is also: 1. the poor performances bar a handful from the first half of this season which was tolerated because we was at least getting results 2. the equally disastrous second half of last season 3. the poor performances bar a handful from the first half of last season which was again tolerated because we was at least getting results and had a lot of credit in the bank for the FA Cup and Europe 4. the poor last few games of the FA Cup season where we just fell apart 5. the shocking run which culminated in the 3-0 defeat at West Ham 6. the poor performances during the first half of that season which was again tolerated because we was at least getting results and still within the 'three year plan' And let us not forget all of the other issues which Homzy said himself have been down to TP's fault. However, during ALL of this time, all of these issues and concerns the fans have, it has only ever transferred to the crowd on a very small number of occassions. We all see the bigger picture here. To lambast the support is completely out of order in my honest opinion, because week after week they have turned up with the sole intention to get behind the team. Whilst we should not, and never will forget or be ungrateful for what he has achieved, we should never rest on our laurels or become complacent because if we stand still, we end up going backwards (quote TP, numerous interviews). Not only have we stood still though, we have gone backwards and it is self inflicted. I don't feel that the personal abuse is EVER justified, but to what extent is it 'personal' or 'professional'? and as mentioned, to what extent has it ever transferred to the crowd? I honestly believe that Pulis has been given such a wide berth and given a hell of a lot of credit even since his first stint in charge. Other teams fans would have driven him out by now. We havent, and I dont think that we will this season so long as he sees us over the line, but it could turn nasty if he is still in charge next season. That his current legacy is an awfully slow, negative, one dimensional, low in confidence team that has the immense ability to bore and turn supporters numb. In any professional field, you are only as good as your last project. It doesnt matter if for seven years you have decent growth and increase in turnover and profits, but one bad project and you can undo all of that hard work. This has now been two seasons in a row and he does not deserve another chance when he has repeatedly failed to address the key concerns. and a 10% drop in early birds is a very worrying figure. Sometimes, you need to change for the sake of stability. But do not for one moment mistake the number of posters who have turned as being in the same as those who can be classed as giving TP personal abuse on here. We will NEVER belong to that particular, very small isolated group
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Post by kidcrewbob on Mar 31, 2013 9:50:18 GMT
Some people confuse criticism with abuse and deep concern with disloyalty........ I don't think Homzy is confusing those things (because some are) but he is labouring the point a bit as Tone isn't getting anywhere near the stick other managers at other clubs would get after 8 wins in 42 games. A few people being a bit extreme on here doesn't really mean much. Lots of people being desperately concerned with the direction Tone is taking us, is something else entirely. Wouldn't disagree mate - if we're honest we're all crapping it and it manifests in different ways in different folk from constructive yet supportive criticism at one end to howls of venomous bile and dogs abuse at the other - and everything in between! Human nature in a nutshell ;-)
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 31, 2013 9:53:34 GMT
I don't think Homzy is confusing those things (because some are) but he is labouring the point a bit as Tone isn't getting anywhere near the stick other managers at other clubs would get after 8 wins in 42 games. A few people being a bit extreme on here doesn't really mean much. Lots of people being desperately concerned with the direction Tone is taking us, is something else entirely. Wouldn't disagree mate - if we're honest we're all crapping it and it manifests in different ways in different folk from constructive yet supportive criticism at one end to howls of venomous bile and dogs abuse at the other - and everything in between! Human nature in a nutshell ;-) You certainly get the broad spectrum of emotions on here! Generally people are just worried as you say and the bare bones of it are that we are in desperate form and in a relegation scrap. At some point any manager would get stick, Tone isn't getting much because of the respect he's earned but he can't live off that forever.
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Post by stokemark on Mar 31, 2013 10:01:46 GMT
Given the record of 8 wins in 40 odd matches, 1 away win in 28 matches, fewer goals than just about anybody anywhere without even mentioning the quality of performances.....
The manager has, in terms of public criticism, got off remarkably lightly IMHO
The level of 'he's shit so sack him' drivel that is spouted on here has to be expected in any scenario such as that described above simply as not everyone has the ability to be constructively critical (we equally have plenty of 'he is god and can do no wrong ' merchants on here who are just as simple minded when it comes to expressing why they hold such a view)
The fact is the chickens have come home to roost - we are playing shit football and achieving shit results - it was always a case of whether shit football and good results was really sustainable and we all dared hope that better football and good results could be achieved given the investments made - sadly we have our answer.
I agree that for the sake of the football club we need to back the team to the hilt but nothing has changed there on a match day beyond perhaps a more muted Britannia compared with the halcyon bear pit days.
In summary I therefore think the manager is getting off relatively lightly given the period of paucity of football / results we are taking about (come on Homzy it's a damn site longer than half a year !) but I do agree that the petty insults and blanket vulgarities aimed his way are pointless and serve to strengthen his agenda rather than benefit the football club overall ( which is, lets face what REALLY matters).
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