|
Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 21:09:34 GMT
Nobody wants him to play the Mama role! We want him on from the start in the Fuller role with Jones playing thr Mama role! Actually Rob, I'd prefer to see Ric playing the Ric Role and Kenwyne playing the Kenwyne Role. Did somebody say Ric role?
|
|
|
Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 19, 2010 21:09:39 GMT
You took the words right out of my mouth DaveF.
I can see a horrible scenario of Ric losing the ability to be Ric and him leaving and that will be a very sad day for the club.
Ric is still our best player, the one who excites us the most, gets us off our seats and is most likely to do something that will leave us talking about the game for weeks afterwards.
To see him sat on the bench for 60 minutes of any game is soul destroying for me, so god knows what it must be like for him. I go to every game at the moment really excited about the team that we could field, and in both recent home games, Pulis has knocked the stuffing out of me before the game has even kicked off.
Ric must start every game for which he is fit and available for. Anything else is quite simply rank bad management from a manager who has done such a remarkably good job for us.
|
|
|
Post by serpico on Sept 19, 2010 21:17:04 GMT
Does this mean if Mama was fit he'd now be playing ??? .
This is insanity, even for Pulis.
|
|
|
Post by mickstupp on Sept 19, 2010 21:17:31 GMT
Some intresting points on here. Watching yesterday and monday it has become apparant that Pulis has brought in Jones to replace Fuller rather than to play with him. Walters played deeper than Jones in both games to make up the numbers in midfield (ie the Mama role). I find this baffling because Walters has spent the vast bulk of his career to date playing as a right sided midfield player.
I also thought/hoped that Jones was a like for like, higher quality swap for Sidibe. Doesnt appear to be the case so far. Maybe TP sees Walters as a stop gap until Eidur gains match fitness and we will see Jones and Gudjonsen up front with Fuller on the bench?
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 21:18:50 GMT
Again I totally agree with the majority here. When the team was announced on saturday with no Fuller [especially after the way we finished against villa], me and the old man were totally dismayed. Ive got nothing against walters but he should not be getting starts ahead of Ric whichever way you cut it. I dont think tone knows his best team yet, hes got an embarrassment of riches for him. To me it should be Kenwyne and ric, with tunny and walters as back up. Eidur isnt ready yet. It so frustrating not seemingly playing our best team in the right positions, its almost as if we are holding ourselves back.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Sept 19, 2010 21:19:45 GMT
You took the words right out of my mouth DaveF. I can see a horrible scenario of Ric losing the ability to be Ric and him leaving and that will be a very sad day for the club. Ric is still our best player, the one who excites us the most, gets us off our seats and is most likely to do something that will leave us talking about the game for weeks afterwards. To see him sat on the bench for 60 minutes of any game is soul destroying for me, so god knows what it must be like for him. I go to every game at the moment really excited about the team that we could field, and in both recent home games, Pulis has knocked the stuffing out of me before the game has even kicked off. Ric must start every game for which he is fit and available for. Anything else is quite simply rank bad management from a manager who has done such a remarkably good job for us. The only puzzling thing is why Pulis, a badge-wearing member of the elite corps of the Fuller-is-God fraternity is so muddled on this one. He's always had a very peculiar attachment to hard-working journeymen. If in doubt, stick another 'ard worker in as 'ard work conquers all. In the Premier League, the problem is that it doesn't. In this league, more than any other, you're only as good as your strikers. And if one of ours is Jon Walters, we're not very good at all. Surprising that his other great love, Ricardo Fuller, is getting caught up in the battle inside his head.
|
|
|
Post by Olgrligm on Sept 19, 2010 21:20:11 GMT
On the plus side, last year we went through a spell of trying to replace Fuller with Tuncay but the manager soon saw sense and put Fuller back in the team.
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Sept 19, 2010 21:22:12 GMT
We started a match against a team who's confidence is lower than a snakes belly and have shipped in 3 a game with one of our best players on the bench. All to accommodate someone who 'puts a shift in'. 2 points dropped yesterday and the blame lies at the managers feet.
Wilson should have played along side Whitehead and Fuller should have started. The manager is holding the team back.
|
|
|
Post by mickstupp on Sept 19, 2010 21:24:40 GMT
Our system causes problems whenever we come up against teams that play 4-3-3. We are crap in centre midfield anyway, so when we are outnumbered in makes for a real struggle. I think thats why he plays a Walters/Sidibe style worker in there, just to drop into Centre Mid and make it 3 v 3.
Maybe we need to follow suit and play the same way? Do we have the players to pull off 4-3-3??
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 21:28:42 GMT
Pugsley, i am pro Pulis on the whole and he loves the club but he is holding us back at the mo, i just dont think he knows his strongest team. I have every confidence in Ric and im sure he will be starting with kenwyne soon, its a no brainer surely? Ps I do have to reitterate that i like walters, he will be a good signing for us.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 21:28:42 GMT
We started a match against a team who's confidence is lower than a snakes belly and have shipped in 3 a game with one of our best players on the bench. All to accommodate someone who 'puts a shift in'. 2 points dropped yesterday and the blame lies at the managers feet. Wilson should have played along side Whitehead and Fuller should have started. The manager is holding the team back. Agreed. We did the 'hard bit' beating Villa on Monday. Definitely 2 points dropped. On the subject of the forwards, for me Walters poses no real threat in an attacking sense and also doesn't win his share of aerial duels (due to his height). He's an upgraded Richard Cresswell. Scott Parker ran the show yesterday for West Ham by basically sitting just in front of his back four and mopping up everything that came his way. In the days of Mama, it was his role to sit in this 'hole' and stop players like Parker having time on the ball. Whose job was that yesterday, because we either decided that Parker wasn't worth putting a man on, or the player whose role it was, couldn't fulfil it properly?
|
|
|
Post by PickSCFC on Sept 19, 2010 21:31:36 GMT
Does this mean if Mama was fit he'd now be playing ??? . This is insanity, even for Pulis. i doubt it, mama hadnt started a game for us this season
|
|
|
Post by PickSCFC on Sept 19, 2010 21:38:11 GMT
We started a match against a team who's confidence is lower than a snakes belly and have shipped in 3 a game with one of our best players on the bench. All to accommodate someone who 'puts a shift in'. 2 points dropped yesterday and the blame lies at the managers feet. Wilson should have played along side Whitehead and Fuller should have started. The manager is holding the team back. Agreed. We did the 'hard bit' beating Villa on Monday. Definitely 2 points dropped. On the subject of the forwards, for me Walters poses no real threat in an attacking sense and also doesn't win his share of aerial duels (due to his height). He's an upgraded Richard Cresswell. Scott Parker ran the show yesterday for West Ham by basically sitting just in front of his back four and mopping up everything that came his way. In the days of Mama, it was his role to sit in this 'hole' and stop players like Parker having time on the ball. Whose job was that yesterday, because we either decided that Parker wasn't worth putting a man on, or the player whose role it was, couldn't fulfil it properly? 2 points dropped my arse, we hit the wood work 3 times and on another day they would have gone in
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 21:50:39 GMT
Failure to beat the bottom of the table side was 2 points dropped. We got 1 point when we were expecting 3. Whether we hit the woodwork or not, we failed to win. What is there to argue in that?
|
|
|
Post by PickSCFC on Sept 19, 2010 21:54:19 GMT
Failure to beat the bottom of the table side was 2 points dropped. We got 1 point when we were expecting 3. Whether we hit the woodwork or not, we failed to win. What is there to argue in that? you were 'expecting' to win we are stoke city not fucking chelsea
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 22:02:00 GMT
believe it or not yes, i did expect to beat a poor West Ham side. Expect's probably too strong a word, but all the same, they were there for the taking based upon their start to the season. You're obviously happy with a point at Home against West Ham.
I expect you'll also be happy when our points total, having dropped 'yet more' points in games we had a strong chance of winning, isn't quite enough to keep us up.
We won't get many chances to play a team who is rock bottom, with little confidence. Every failure to get 3 points in these games means that we potentially have to pick additional points up in games we wouldn't expect to.
Not exactly a ground-breaking theory, I know ???
|
|
|
Post by roylandstoke on Sept 19, 2010 22:07:51 GMT
happy with Walters starting over Fuller? That's like going home and asking what's for tea and thanking your missus for sh**ing on your plate. Over the years I have become acustomed to TP's eccentric selections but this one takes the cake. The growing feeling I have, that TP is serious about selecting Walters over Fuller on a regular basis fills me with dread. Beyond mental does not cover this. If we want more cover in the middle than Ric offers why not stick Salif in there with Kenwynne and have done with it or even Salif and Walters .What about Salif and Rory upfront? Maybe we could get Sonko back to play in front of the CB's as well, he fills alot of space.
|
|
|
Post by PickSCFC on Sept 19, 2010 22:12:43 GMT
believe it or not yes, i did expect to beat a poor West Ham side. Expect's probably too strong a word, but all the same, they were there for the taking based upon their start to the season. You're obviously happy with a point at Home against West Ham. I expect you'll also be happy when our points total, having dropped 'yet more' points in games we had a strong chance of winning, isn't quite enough to keep us up. We won't get many chances to play a team who is rock bottom, with little confidence. Every failure to get 3 points in these games means that we potentially have to pick additional points up in games we wouldn't expect to. Not exactly a ground-breaking theory, I know ??? yeah i cant wait for us to get relegated what a stupid comment for the record, i thought we would win yesterday but i thought we would lose against villa so im happy with the 4 points in the last 2 games
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 22:15:04 GMT
yeah i cant wait for us to get relegated what a stupid comment for the record, i thought we would win yesterday but i thought we would lose against villa so im happy with the 4 points in the last 2 games We agree then - though I'm happy with 4 points, after Villa I'm disappointed not to have 6. I reckon you could start an argument in an empty room ;D
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Sept 19, 2010 22:16:19 GMT
Failure to beat the bottom of the table side was 2 points dropped. We got 1 point when we were expecting 3. Whether we hit the woodwork or not, we failed to win. What is there to argue in that? you were 'expecting' to win we are stoke city not fucking chelsea So after spending a fortune in the transfer market, having all players available for selection, coming off a cracking win on Monday, playing a winless team, with no manager present, who concede 3 a game you are telling us it's too much to expect to win that game? Jog on mate, you're talking a load of shit.
|
|
|
Post by PickSCFC on Sept 19, 2010 22:22:44 GMT
you were 'expecting' to win we are stoke city not fucking chelsea So after spending a fortune in the transfer market, having all players available for selection, coming off a cracking win on Monday, playing a winless team, with no manager present, who concede 3 a game you are telling us it's too much to expect to win that game? Jog on mate, you're talking a load of shit. we were only 2 places above west ham at the start of the day, we have no god given right to win games of football
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 22:23:42 GMT
you were 'expecting' to win we are stoke city not fucking chelsea So after spending a fortune in the transfer market, having all players available for selection, coming off a cracking win on Monday, playing a winless team, with no manager present, who concede 3 a game you are telling us it's too much to expect to win that game? Jog on mate, you're talking a load of shit. For me it wasn't so much that we didn't win the game as that we didn't really deserve to, and that owed everything to the stupid team selection again.
|
|
|
Post by PickSCFC on Sept 19, 2010 22:24:29 GMT
yeah i cant wait for us to get relegated what a stupid comment for the record, i thought we would win yesterday but i thought we would lose against villa so im happy with the 4 points in the last 2 games We agree then - though I'm happy with 4 points, after Villa I'm disappointed not to have 6. I reckon you could start an argument in an empty room ;D thinking we are going to win and expecting to win are 2 different things. if you are going to expect us to win games then you are setting yourself up for a fall
|
|
|
Post by PickSCFC on Sept 19, 2010 22:26:39 GMT
So after spending a fortune in the transfer market, having all players available for selection, coming off a cracking win on Monday, playing a winless team, with no manager present, who concede 3 a game you are telling us it's too much to expect to win that game? Jog on mate, you're talking a load of shit. For me it wasn't so much that we didn't win the game as that we didn't really deserve to, and that owed everything to the stupid team selection again. i disaagree, yes we should have started fuller instead of walters but all the other selections were ok, we hit the post 3 times where on another day they may go in
|
|
|
Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 19, 2010 22:29:07 GMT
bottom line is this:
last year we beat West Ham twice mainly due to Ricardo.
He absolutely ripped Upson a new arse at home in the 2-1 win, doing him every time he had the ball. he then scored our goal of the season at Upton ark.
Have a wild guess at which Stoke players' name they didn't want to see on the team sheet Saturday?
Answers on the back of TP's team selection sheet to:
Ricardo Fuller competition etc
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 22:29:19 GMT
For me it wasn't so much that we didn't win the game as that we didn't really deserve to, and that owed everything to the stupid team selection again. i disaagree, yes we should have started fuller instead of walters but all the other selections were ok, we hit the post 3 times where on another day they may go in They were pretty much the only chances we created though. I know it sounds weird to say it but it's true. Against Villa we put them under constant pressure in that last twenty minutes then against West Ham we were back to letting them dictate the game and beyond set pieces they'd got us sussed pretty comfortably. Not starting Fuller is lunacy, not having Tuncay on the bench is lunacy and Wilson was surely worth another chance in the middle, especially with Rory struggling so badly.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 22:34:18 GMT
as a ipswich fan friend said 'he (walters) is a great trier'
|
|
|
Post by jarhead on Sept 19, 2010 22:35:56 GMT
I admire tazi and people like him who simply won't ever question anything TP does. He's the man for my club without a doubt but that doesn't make him flawless. He makes mistakes like everyone else and it's no crime to point it out. Ric should play and it's lunacy to suggest otherwise. . Spot on jamo. He is a sheep though Like the other clowns who are shit scared to be critical of Pulis on something so obviously WRONG in Walters playing up with Jones when Ric HAS to start,end of topic.
|
|
|
Post by jarhead on Sept 19, 2010 22:48:01 GMT
Pulis will always have a stupid team selection because he loves to fuckin frustrate us with crap team selections,how fuller aint starting over Walters is just a piss take out of every fan and so very hypocritical of pulis saying we need to score more goals but leaves a matchwinner on the bench at hone for over an hr against the bottom team??? WHY Tony you dick!!!
|
|
|
Post by wuzza on Sept 19, 2010 23:02:08 GMT
So to summarise we have a new scapegoat and everyone still thinks they know better than the guy whp has actually got us to this position - the club might be progressing but sadly it cant drag some of the 'supporters' with it.
|
|