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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 19, 2010 14:44:26 GMT
KJ is unlikely to get 20 goals though and the idea was to score more. Surely the way to do it is by adding to what we already have? Fuller aint going to get 20 goals either but one other point that some/all are missing is that what Ricardo shows in glimpses Kenwyn can also do too. I know that. That's why they should play TOGETHER.
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Post by tazi on Sept 19, 2010 14:47:45 GMT
I admire tazi and people like him who simply won't ever question anything TP does. He's the man for my club without a doubt but that doesn't make him flawless. He makes mistakes like everyone else and it's no crime to point it out. Ric should play and it's lunacy to suggest otherwise. Question, why question TP when iv'e given a decent account of how i see it?.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 19, 2010 14:50:39 GMT
I admire tazi and people like him who simply won't ever question anything TP does. He's the man for my club without a doubt but that doesn't make him flawless. He makes mistakes like everyone else and it's no crime to point it out. Ric should play and it's lunacy to suggest otherwise. Question, why question TP when iv'e given a decent account of how i see it?. Because we have a great potential partnership that i'd hope the boss could see screaming out at him. KJ winning the Mama balls (but better and then getting in the box) with Ric causing havoc as well. I would guess most Stokies would love to see that.
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Post by tazi on Sept 19, 2010 14:51:20 GMT
Fuller aint going to get 20 goals either but one other point that some/all are missing is that what Ricardo shows in glimpses Kenwyn can also do too. I know that. That's why they should play TOGETHER. Kenwyn offers something that Ricci cannot whereas the things Ricci can do Kenwyn is capable of doing. I am well pleased with Walters starting with Kenwyn as long as jermaine and Matty are on the flanks especially against the teams that are around us.
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Post by tazi on Sept 19, 2010 14:52:13 GMT
Question, why question TP when iv'e given a decent account of how i see it?. Because we have a great potential partnership that i'd hope the boss could see screaming out at him. KJ winning the Mama balls (but better and then getting in the box) with Ric causing havoc as well. I would guess most Stokies would love to see that. Yes but that's my take on things.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 19, 2010 14:53:04 GMT
I know that. That's why they should play TOGETHER. Kenwyn offers something that Ricci cannot whereas the things Ricci can do Kenwyn is capable of doing. I am well pleased with Walters starting with Kenwyn as long as jermaine and Matty are on the flanks especially against the teams that are around us. Sorry mate but that is waaayyy off the mark. KJ cannot do the stuff Ric does. They are chalk and cheese and would work a treat.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2010 14:53:33 GMT
Tazi one of the FUNDAMENTAL elements of our game plan is to win and then capitalise on set pieces.
We don't do pass and move, we get the ball into the oppositions half as early and as quickly as possible and then try and win a free kick, a throw-in or a corner.
Without ANY QUESTION Ricardo Fuller wins more set pieces for us than any other player does - period.
The longer Ric is not on the pitch, the longer we deny ourselves one of the most important (if not the most important) element of our offensive play ... and it's absolute madness to do so.
This 'super sub' thing is, with respect, complete and utter nonsense.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 19, 2010 14:56:27 GMT
You play Your best players from the start. Ricardo Fuller is our best player and should start. It really is that simple for me.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 19, 2010 14:57:46 GMT
I don't think that KJ is a mama with goals , he does nowhere near as much work as Mama and prefers being up front than in a withdrawn role, having said that at home against the weaker sides we should be confident enough to start him and Ric. Walters is a good lad but better in midfield on the right than up front, the signing of Pennant means he will play wide right, certainly at home, also once he is fit expect Eidur to play the Mama role , I thik Ric does the impact sub very well, but more away from home .
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2010 15:01:31 GMT
I don't think that KJ is a mama with goals , he does nowhere near as much work as Mama and prefers being up front than in a withdrawn role, having said that at home against the weaker sides we should be confident enough to start him and Ric. Walters is a good lad but better in midfield on the right than up front, the signing of Pennant means he will play wide right, certainly at home, also once he is fit expect Eidur to play the Mama role , I thik Ric does the impact sub very well, but more away from home . KJ is more than capabale of playing in the withdrawn striker role ... last season I made a specific point of watching or sky+ing every Sunderland game that I could and he was played in the postion more times than not and played the role extremely well. He and Ric have the potential to be an absolutely dream partnership.
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Sept 19, 2010 15:04:27 GMT
You play Your best players from the start. Ricardo Fuller is our best player and should start. It really is that simple for me. In a nutshell from bayern. Any other way just defies logic.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2010 15:05:18 GMT
And another thing ...
If Walters had been on the bench acting as COVER for Pennant, then when Jermaine went off injured, we wouldn't have had to shove Rory out on the right wing and lose the momentum that we had at the point in the game.
Starting with Walters compromised us from the start and compromised us at the end.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 19, 2010 15:09:17 GMT
I can see Ric starting now Pennant/Walters injured for a couple of weeks as we will get Rory back on the right to act as a 3rd central midfielder - so one bad selection decision takes over from another!!! Tone, you gotta love 'im!!
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Post by longthrowstokie on Sept 19, 2010 16:23:03 GMT
i'd like to see tuncay and jones together personally but i'm more like to see us beat united at old trafford by 5 goals =/
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 19, 2010 16:36:16 GMT
And another thing ... If Walters had been on the bench acting as COVER for Pennant, then when Jermaine went off injured, we wouldn't have had to shove Rory out on the right wing and lose the momentum that we had at the point in the game. Starting with Walters compromised us from the start and compromised us at the end. Agreed. We said this BEFORE the game even kicked off Paul.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 19, 2010 16:44:29 GMT
walters is playing the mama role and jones is playing upfront on his own, i can see us starting with this most of the time as walters helps out more in midfield as fuller or jones would If we had a strong enough midfield we wouldn't need one of our strikers to have to help it out!! Jones-Walters has not worked in any of our games this season In fact we have never looked like winning a game while Walters has been on the field
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Post by tazi on Sept 19, 2010 16:46:58 GMT
It wasn't starting Walters that compromised us it was hitting the woodwork on numerous occasions that did that. Those go in then theres no thread............ simples really.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 19, 2010 16:51:35 GMT
It wasn't starting Walters that compromised us it was hitting the woodwork on numerous occasions that did that. Those go in then theres no thread............ simples really. That's a bit 'if my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle' though, tazi. For me there's no ifs or buts where Ric is concerned though. If he plays Stoke, in general are a much better team.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 19, 2010 16:51:43 GMT
It wasn't starting Walters that compromised us it was hitting the woodwork on numerous occasions that did that. Those go in then theres no thread............ simples really. But they didn't and it's another game we missed a load of chances. It's becoming a bit of a habit.
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 19, 2010 16:52:59 GMT
walters is playing the mama role and jones is playing upfront on his own, i can see us starting with this most of the time as walters helps out more in midfield as fuller or jones would If we had a strong enough midfield we wouldn't need one of our strikers to have to help it out!! Jones-Walters has not worked in any of our games this season In fact we have never looked like winning a game while Walters has been on the field we won when we played shrewsbury and he played
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 16:53:59 GMT
I don't think that KJ is a mama with goals , he does nowhere near as much work as Mama and prefers being up front than in a withdrawn role, having said that at home against the weaker sides we should be confident enough to start him and Ric. Walters is a good lad but better in midfield on the right than up front, the signing of Pennant means he will play wide right, certainly at home, also once he is fit expect Eidur to play the Mama role , I thik Ric does the impact sub very well, but more away from home . KJ is more than capabale of playing in the withdrawn striker role ... last season I made a specific point of watching or sky+ing every Sunderland game that I could and he was played in the postion more times than not and played the role extremely well. He and Ric have the potential to be an absolutely dream partnership. i think this is what many of us on here thought when we signed Jones. That really could be an awesome partnership. so dangerous in fact that i can't see many defences being able to cope with it it is actually infuriating knowing that we have the option to do this but the manager seems to get some twisted pleasure from not doing it. it's staring you in the face man pick the best players FFS. i have no doubt we would have won the game yesterday had we started with that partnership. and tunny is the man who should be coming on as he did to great effect against tottenham
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2010 16:55:00 GMT
It wasn't starting Walters that compromised us it was hitting the woodwork on numerous occasions that did that. Those go in then theres no thread............ simples really. And what about West Ham's effort that crashed against the bar? It's not that simple tazi and you know it. If you start both Walters and Pennant together, then who comes on for Pennant if he gets injured? It's not like we're struggling for strikers at the moment is it ... why expose ourselves to potentially having to play Rory out there, when we've got such an embarassment of riches in the striker department as it is?
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Post by tazi on Sept 19, 2010 16:56:04 GMT
It wasn't starting Walters that compromised us it was hitting the woodwork on numerous occasions that did that. Those go in then theres no thread............ simples really. But they didn't and it's another game we missed a load of chances. It's becoming a bit of a habit. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, but they didn't did they, arrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Could just have easily gone in, but still such is the fickle mind of a football supporter that just because it didn't dip an inch or two lower we get threads where we're fooked, doomed etc etc. You gotta laugh at the fickle mindedness you really have.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 19, 2010 16:56:25 GMT
If we had a strong enough midfield we wouldn't need one of our strikers to have to help it out!! Jones-Walters has not worked in any of our games this season In fact we have never looked like winning a game while Walters has been on the field we won when we played shrewsbury and he played WOW! We also won playing Tuncay but that's hardly going to make any impression on the Tunny bashers!!!
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Post by tazi on Sept 19, 2010 16:56:55 GMT
It wasn't starting Walters that compromised us it was hitting the woodwork on numerous occasions that did that. Those go in then theres no thread............ simples really. That's a bit 'if my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle' though, tazi. For me there's no ifs or buts where Ric is concerned though. If he plays Stoke, in general are a much better team. As above.
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Post by jssandbach on Sept 19, 2010 16:57:17 GMT
I'd go for
......................................Begavic......................................... Faye.........Shawcross.............Huth...........Higginbottom ........................................Whitehead...................................... Pennant................................................................Etherington ........................................Wilson.................................... ........................Fuller.................Jones........................
Bench Tuncay, Walters , Sorrenson, Pugh, Whelan, Wilkinson, Gudjohnson. At Christmas i would like to recall Shotton and Arismendi
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 19, 2010 16:57:42 GMT
we won when we played shrewsbury and he played WOW! We also won playing Tuncay but that's hardly going to make any impression on the Tunny bashers!!! i was onl correcting you and putting you in your place
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 19, 2010 16:57:58 GMT
But they didn't and it's another game we missed a load of chances. It's becoming a bit of a habit. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, but they didn't did they, arrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Could just have easily gone in, but still such is the fickle mind of a football supporter that just because it didn't dip an inch or two lower we get threads where we're fooked, doomed etc etc. You gotta laugh at the fickle mindedness you really have. But Taz, it's the same old story. We created lots of chances and missed lots. We did it last season and we're doing it this season. It shows a lack of clinicalness and ability to take our chances. If it was a one off I'd have no problems but it isn't.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 19, 2010 16:59:54 GMT
That's a bit 'if my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle' though, tazi. For me there's no ifs or buts where Ric is concerned though. If he plays Stoke, in general are a much better team. As above. As above what? People are fickle for wanting the best striker in the last 20+ years to actually start? Do me a favour.
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Post by tazi on Sept 19, 2010 17:05:29 GMT
We hit the woodwork on numerous occasions and you say it should be Kenwyn with Ricci starting and yet if those had dipped an inch or two lower then such is the fickle mindedness of a football supporter there wouldn't even be the need for a god damned thread about it.
But because it didn't dip an inch or two lower the typical football supporter doesn't take a step back and think just how many chances were actually made.
Walters with Kenwyn all the way when playing with two out and out wingers.
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