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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 19, 2010 13:45:31 GMT
walters is playing the mama role and jones is playing upfront on his own, i can see us starting with this most of the time as walters helps out more in midfield as fuller or jones would
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 19, 2010 13:50:29 GMT
No, I want Ric!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 19, 2010 13:51:20 GMT
walters is playing the mama role and jones is playing upfront on his own, i can see us starting with this most of the time as walters helps out more in midfield as fuller or jones would If we do it's beyond mental.
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 19, 2010 13:55:31 GMT
walters is playing the mama role and jones is playing upfront on his own, i can see us starting with this most of the time as walters helps out more in midfield as fuller or jones would If we do it's beyond mental. pulis likes a hard working forward and this is the main reason that mama always played, walters is very hard working and will work harder than fuller and jones
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Post by phil51 on Sept 19, 2010 13:56:22 GMT
walters is playing the mama role and jones is playing upfront on his own, i can see us starting with this most of the time as walters helps out more in midfield as fuller or jones would Totally agree. Walters' role is to challenge, harass and get forward. He and Jones will work out very well together.
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 19, 2010 13:59:14 GMT
walters is playing the mama role and jones is playing upfront on his own, i can see us starting with this most of the time as walters helps out more in midfield as fuller or jones would Totally agree. Walters' role is to challenge, harass and get forward. He and Jones will work out very well together. i wouldnt say i agreed with it, i would rather have jones and fuller start than walters but this is the way we will go
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 19, 2010 14:01:17 GMT
walters is playing the mama role and jones is playing upfront on his own, i can see us starting with this most of the time as walters helps out more in midfield as fuller or jones would If we do it's beyond mental. Waaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond mental. We did buy Jones as the fabled Mama with goals...............didn't we? Is it possible Pulis was the only one who didn't see it that way? He played Beattie in that role and he didn't play the role in the same three-lunged way as Sidibe, and yet the system fired for 5 months as well as it ever has done Having to fit the not-good-enough Walters into the starting XI, simply to make up for a perceived 'ard work deficit - and having to sacrifice our most potent striker in the process, just makes the whole 'upgrade' very questionable. I think Paul has summed it up perfectly. I haven't got a problem with us playing two deep lying central midfielders in the 'cage' ... it's what Pulisball is all about and he ISN'T going to change his system - period. With two out and out wingers in Ethers and Pennant and Kenwyne playing very deep between the midfield and Ric, then the system should work just fine. Last season at Sunderland, KJ played in exactly that postion, he was Sunderland's first line of defence and played the role extremely well ... he is the PERFECT replacement for Mama. However the manager has somehow got it into his head, that he's going to have Jones leading the line whilst leaving Ric on the bench. It's this crazy idea of his that is actually the 'weak link' imo - and I just haven't got a clue what is going through the manager's head on this one. The sooner Ric and Wilson start starting regularly, the better.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 19, 2010 14:01:28 GMT
Well I'm baffled if we do that. I like Walters but he isn't even in the same postcode as Ric.
Ric and KJ are made to play together in my opinion.
Jones is an excellent tecnical header who can hold the ball up and find Ric.
With our two wingers we would cause no end of problems to teams with Ethers, Pennant, Ric and KJ.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 19, 2010 14:04:38 GMT
my border collie will run and work hard all day chasing his ball,never be a footballer,but surely would get a game with tony pulis
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Post by phil51 on Sept 19, 2010 14:14:25 GMT
my border collie will run and work hard all day chasing his ball,never be a footballer,but surely would get a game with tony pulis TRIPE
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Post by tazi on Sept 19, 2010 14:23:44 GMT
walters is playing the mama role and jones is playing upfront on his own, i can see us starting with this most of the time as walters helps out more in midfield as fuller or jones would Spiderman doesn't understand.............
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Post by ragbone82 on Sept 19, 2010 14:24:09 GMT
walters is cresswell mark 2, not good enough
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 19, 2010 14:25:03 GMT
sorry, don't think I'll ever get used to Walters playing ahead of Ricardo, ever. And from the oppo fans I've spoken to in recent weeks (Man yoo, Vale, West Ham, Villa) they cannot believe that Fuller is not the first name on our teamsheet.
It is simply scandalous how Walters can start matches with the present hugely-expensive squad we've assembled.
I presume if TP had a Porsche he wouldn't fill it with chip fat?
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 19, 2010 14:26:03 GMT
If we're after runners and workers, then get f******g Paula Radcliffe up front.
Fuller piuts a shift in. I thought that had been put to bed ages ago?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 19, 2010 14:26:44 GMT
walters is playing the mama role and jones is playing upfront on his own, i can see us starting with this most of the time as walters helps out more in midfield as fuller or jones would Spiderman doesn't understand............. Tazi, You must surely think Ric and KJ is a better option though? KJ is Mama with goals (and an all round better player to boot) so why the need to take Ric out of the equation?
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 19, 2010 14:29:01 GMT
If we're after runners and workers, then get f******g Paula Radcliffe up front. Fuller piuts a shift in. I thought that had been put to bed ages ago? i would also play fuller and jones but walters is doing the mama role which consists of helping out in midfield, fuller doesnt do that and i cant see jones doing it either
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Post by tazi on Sept 19, 2010 14:29:59 GMT
Perfectly happy thanks with Walters and Jones with Ricci as an impact sub and if he aint needed then all the better because he'll be getting a rest ready for when he is needed to start due to injuries suspensions loss of form etc etc.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 19, 2010 14:33:15 GMT
happy with Walters starting over Fuller?
That's like going home and asking what's for tea and thanking your missus for sh**ing on your plate.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 19, 2010 14:34:14 GMT
Perfectly happy thanks with Walters and Jones with Ricci as an impact sub and if he aint needed then all the better because he'll be getting a rest ready for when he is needed to start due to injuries suspensions loss of form etc etc. Despite the fact that they simply don't look like an effective partnership? TP has stated that he wants more goals so surely it would make more sense to play Ric AND Kenwyne? It looks like a match made in heaven and one that both players have spoken about with great relish. I just think we're selling ourselves bit short with the options we have at our disposal.
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Post by kev1060 on Sept 19, 2010 14:35:09 GMT
The continued use of Ric as an impact substitute has got to stop. Away from home at certain grounds, then yes. At home, when we need 3 points against our rivals, Ric has to start if fit, end of.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 19, 2010 14:36:55 GMT
The continued use of Ric as an impact substitute has got to stop. Away from home at certain grounds, then yes. At home, when we need 3 points against our rivals, Ric has to start if fit, end of. /\ /\
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 19, 2010 14:37:15 GMT
The continued use of Ric as an impact substitute has got to stop. Away from home at certain grounds, then yes. At home, when we need 3 points against our rivals, Ric has to start if fit, end of. Agreed, the impact sub thing is nothing but bollocks. Do Man Utd leave Rooney on the bench? Do Chelsea leave Drogba getting splinters in his arse? Ric is every bit as important to us as those players are to their clubs.
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Post by tazi on Sept 19, 2010 14:38:26 GMT
Perfectly happy thanks with Walters and Jones with Ricci as an impact sub and if he aint needed then all the better because he'll be getting a rest ready for when he is needed to start due to injuries suspensions loss of form etc etc. Despite the fact that they simply don't look like an effective partnership? TP has stated that he wants more goals so surely it would make more sense to play Ric AND Kenwyne? It looks like a match made in heaven and one that both players have spoken about with great relish. I just think we're selling ourselves bit short with the options we have at our disposal. The fact that Matty and Jermaine can provide the ammunition for Kenwyn as well as individual creativity to boot is the way i see and like it. Walters is vital when we are going to play with two out and out wingers because he'll bactrack and harass for a whole 90 plus minutes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 19, 2010 14:39:45 GMT
It's the biggest load of bollocks so far but hey that's Tone.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 19, 2010 14:39:55 GMT
Despite the fact that they simply don't look like an effective partnership? TP has stated that he wants more goals so surely it would make more sense to play Ric AND Kenwyne? It looks like a match made in heaven and one that both players have spoken about with great relish. I just think we're selling ourselves bit short with the options we have at our disposal. The fact that Matty and Jermaine can provide the ammunition for Kenwyn as well as individual creativity to boot is the way i see and like it. Walters is vital when we are going to play with two out and out wingers because he'll bactrack and harass for a whole 90 plus minutes. KJ is unlikely to get 20 goals though and the idea was to score more. Surely the way to do it is by adding to what we already have?
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Post by provenstokie on Sept 19, 2010 14:40:00 GMT
Walters is very limited, he runs a lot but has next to no end product. We don't need forwards who can defend etc... That's the other 8 players job, we need forwards to bag you goals and create something and that he won't do.
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Post by provenstokie on Sept 19, 2010 14:41:47 GMT
Oh and haven't we grown out of this Mamma role?
What is it exactly, embarrassing yourself and your club by being the most incomplete player in the Premier League with the inability to head, pass, shoot, tackle, take anyone on.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 19, 2010 14:42:02 GMT
Ric & KJ should be the front two, it's so obvious
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Post by tazi on Sept 19, 2010 14:43:01 GMT
The fact that Matty and Jermaine can provide the ammunition for Kenwyn as well as individual creativity to boot is the way i see and like it. Walters is vital when we are going to play with two out and out wingers because he'll bactrack and harass for a whole 90 plus minutes. KJ is unlikely to get 20 goals though and the idea was to score more. Surely the way to do it is by adding to what we already have? Fuller aint going to get 20 goals either but one other point that some/all are missing is that what Ricardo shows in glimpses Kenwyn can also do too. It's as if some folk think this thread would have even started had we not rattled the woodwork on numerous occasions. Well pleased with how we played yesterday, well pleased. Would like to see them hit the ground running for a full 90 plus minutes but that doesn't happen to even the best teams in the world let alone us.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 19, 2010 14:43:21 GMT
I admire tazi and people like him who simply won't ever question anything TP does.
He's the man for my club without a doubt but that doesn't make him flawless.
He makes mistakes like everyone else and it's no crime to point it out.
Ric should play and it's lunacy to suggest otherwise.
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