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Post by greyman on Jul 3, 2017 13:48:28 GMT
Question. Do you think Mark Hughes just pops out and buys the player and nobody else at the club is involved in the decision in any way and just rock up one day to find who the manager has bought? Do you think possibly there are a great number of meetings with numerous people, shortlists, knockbacks, breakthroughs, changes of mind and then agreement of all the members of the group on a decision? Or do you think it's like career mode on FIFA? Bowen has stated publicly that the Imbula transfer was down to Hughes after watching him in a pre season friendly against us, make of that what you will. Yes. But do you think FIFA 17 Career Mode is an accurate representation of how transfers happen?
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Post by greyman on Jul 3, 2017 8:29:10 GMT
100% fact argue with that. Question. Do you think Mark Hughes just pops out and buys the player and nobody else at the club is involved in the decision in any way and just rock up one day to find who the manager has bought? Do you think possibly there are a great number of meetings with numerous people, shortlists, knockbacks, breakthroughs, changes of mind and then agreement of all the members of the group on a decision? Or do you think it's like career mode on FIFA?
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Post by greyman on May 25, 2017 21:08:19 GMT
All you need to know
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Post by greyman on May 25, 2017 13:01:36 GMT
Cheers Bono. All the best mate.
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Post by greyman on May 24, 2017 6:15:27 GMT
Who the hell is graymun?
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Post by greyman on May 22, 2017 0:24:26 GMT
What was the ref playing at? Maybe if we're winning some time, we can form guards of honour for substitutions and the people going off can spend a few minutes shaking everybody's hands and applauding the crowd on every side. Would the ref be OK with that? No, obviously...because the circumstance is completely different. Next? And who gets to decide that? One of the players? Let's try it with Shawcross with a ref and see what happens.
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Post by greyman on May 21, 2017 22:21:10 GMT
No problem with it at all. Nothing game, Sunderland had agreed to it and presumably it was mentioned to the officials before hand. My gripe is that it was Terry himself who organised it. Absolutely embarrassing, but of course...he does;t have any shame. What was the ref playing at? Maybe if we're winning some time, we can form guards of honour for substitutions and the people going off can spend a few minutes shaking everybody's hands and applauding the crowd on every side. Would the ref be OK with that?
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Post by greyman on May 21, 2017 20:45:51 GMT
You can't bet on when a player is going to be substituted to the exact minute so lets just get that fact out of the way Another fact Conte can make a sub whenever he wants, he could have come out before the game and have said im going to sub terry after 25 mins or so, so nothng wrong there. If someone had put money on TJ to score anytime they have no right to feel aggrieved, as the only thing you could argue is wrong is sunderland agreeing to putting the ball out of play at the exact time, and as you can't actually bet on those permeations (unless its a special, which would have raised a red flag anyway). But as none of this was in the public domain anyway prior to the game, and no betting laws have been broken, no real wrong doing (even if it was it still hasnt affected the outcome of the game regarding any bets) Im not even sure you can bet on throw ins. you can't on Bet365 Yes you can. You can bet on anything. It's match fixing.
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Post by greyman on May 19, 2017 9:16:00 GMT
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 13:41:25 GMT
They're not young people. They're students so probably spent the morning buying a single grape at Tesco or being triggered by somebody saying something innocuous. You seem like a lovely bloke I knew it. Triggered
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 13:01:44 GMT
The prentious fucker hasn't mentioned me yet. But I think he was alluding to me. OS. I just remember when he was banging on about young people being driven away from the club. But fast forward 4 years and here are some young people who aren't happy and he's suddenly far less concerned about their tragic predicament. Won't somebody please think of the children... They're not young people. They're students so probably spent the morning buying a single grape at Tesco or being triggered by somebody saying something innocuous.
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 12:57:50 GMT
This isn't really about generations. I think older people come out with entitled bullshit too. We can rightly ask serious questions of the players and the management, but as fans we're not covering ourselves in glory at the moment either. OAPs in my experience are some of the most entitled folk around and the rudest. Thanks for mentioning Old Stokie. He was feeling left out
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 11:17:37 GMT
This isn't really about generations. I think older people come out with entitled bullshit too. We can rightly ask serious questions of the players and the management, but as fans we're not covering ourselves in glory at the moment either.
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 9:19:26 GMT
You'd regret it. I'm a more pretentious fucker than you bloody amateurs. So, no. You carry on. You must be able to wring ten self-conscious minutes out of this thread.
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 9:04:42 GMT
This thread is meta-Oatcake. How meta would it be if we talked about how annoying greyman finds meta on the next pod? Why don't you do something about how fantastic a season it was going through three managers, being rejected by George Burley in embarrassing style, finishing fourth from bottom in the Championship, losing 6 0 to Forest and endlessly wondering why Chris Greenacre is on the wing? Do it wearing traffic cones.
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 8:58:27 GMT
All I can tell you is that is how it came across. The argument that you have no idea about anything outside your own experience is ridiculous. But if you do believe that, maybe you should stop quoting Shelley and go for Akala and John Hegley. Listen to John Hegley - Greavsie by FootballAndMusic #np on #SoundCloud soundcloud.com/footballandmusic/john-hegley-greavsie
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 8:05:18 GMT
All I can say is that you're doing well producing the podcast at age of nine then. Do you slow it down to make your voices sound broken?
Oh, and I never said that was YOUR argument. Just that you mocked older fans for putting perspective on what's happened this year.
What did you make of the 2003 season?
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 7:15:57 GMT
Anybody who argues that this is Stoke's worst ever season deserves to be dismissed. We're turning into the sorts of fans we used to deride just a few years ago.
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 6:53:31 GMT
Nobody has dismissed the under 25s. Just the idea that this season is the worst thing that has ever happened to Stoke City.
I agree that you never said that the over 25s deserve scorn. You just scorned them.
And if one of you ever utters the word 'meta' again, I'm coming round to administer a dry slap.
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Post by greyman on May 14, 2017 23:59:03 GMT
Nah. You're mixing him up with Dave Prometheus who managed the great team of Fabal Noblyass and Roy Batty. Aah, so it was Dave who set up the Prometheus School of Running Away From Things? Marc Goodfellow. Why veer off when you can keep going?
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Post by greyman on May 14, 2017 23:39:12 GMT
Is Ozymandias manager of Panathinaikos? Nah. You're mixing him up with Dave Prometheus who managed the great team of Fabal Noblyass and Roy Batty.
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Post by greyman on May 14, 2017 23:19:58 GMT
Meh. I usually like what they do. But they crossed a line into student bollocks tonight. So anybody who disagrees with the statement 'this is the worst season in Stoke's history' deserves to be mocked' just because it isn't?' Well, duh, FACT. The only thing they've got in their favour with this line of reasoning is they didn't use the prefix 'meta' just for once. I know they quoted Ozymandias but they've probably just been to see Alien Covenant so let's cut them some slack on this score. The truth is that this has been a crappy season and Hughes needs to go, but some of us not only have spent decades following the club, but know about their postmodernist theorising and can shite all over it. So here you go.
Hughes needs to go. What we needed at the time. But no more.
Pulis isn't a 'club legend'. He is an absolute cock who functions as a manager when his interests coincide with the club's but would clearly see the whole thing fall apart in any other situation. Which is why both his track record and the court system consider him a fraud, liar and crook. Good manager. Absolute twat of a human being.
The lot of them need to stop basing their opinions on what they've achieved on Football Manager /Fifa and the things they've been taught about Lacan, Foucault and Derrida and accept that we can do better within certain constraints, none of which will involve the use of the term 'meta'.
And if they want a club legend, Jackie Marsh was in the Gardener's having a pint with fans on Saturday. I know he probably deserves their scorn based on this podcast, because he predates 2008, but what can you do? Apparently only the under 25s deserve an opinion on an underwhelming season.
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Post by greyman on May 14, 2017 12:05:34 GMT
Fair enough mate, I turned yesterday and firmly believe we could get relegated if we stick with Hughes next season so its maybe wishful thinking on my part but I think the lack of support from Coates other than that muddled interview on Radio Stoke a few weeks back, could still be telling. The mood has changed a lot I think since that Percey article on 25th April. Like you, I have also moved from wanting him to stay to wanting him gone in that period and yesterday's inability to compete for all but a 10 minute interval is probably the tipping point for many just as stated in the headline to this thread. The atmosphere amongst the fan base is just the same now as it was at the same stage in Pulis's final tenure, the difference is that the turn against Hughes (apart from the loons who hated him from the start because he wasn't TFP) has been later and more sudden. At first the mood change was from support to ambivalence and only now is it one of mass no confidence. A little sign that he is unsure of his position was in his interview last week where he gave a Pulisesque statement by saying that before he came our ambition was limited to avoiding relegation! Also Coates refusal to talk about the manager in his recent interview can hardly be taken as a position of support more one of this is not the right time to talk about it. Coates will be aware of the turn to no confidence in most of the fan base ( it's probably right at this moment the most united we've been on the manager issue in years). He will be feeling the same, he will be disappointed and most likely feeling the same lack of confidence in Hughes that most fans now feel. If I could bet on Hughes leaving his position in the week following the Southampton match I would. As someone else has said already, yesterday was the day he cooked his goose! BM Sums it up.
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Post by greyman on May 14, 2017 12:04:19 GMT
They're not amongst the best teams in europe geoff. The other night I saw celta vigo, with far less resources than us, giving an excellent account of themselves in a europa league semi, they were very unlucky. Our record of repeatedly being on the end of thrashings this past 18 months is incomparable to the records of other teams with similar resources in the premier league. I think it is you who is failing to apply perspective and context this time Geoff The top 7 clubs in the PL have got their acts together after a relatively disappointing season last year, these clubs have in fact some of the best managers in world football and the gap has opened again between them and the rest of the PL, that surely is a fact. You're not even a Stoke fan yet here you are back again patronising people who are. As I said to you before, the admin should have banned you permanently a long time ago and you're the one person on here I'd cheerfully swing for if I ever met you, and I'm simply not like that.
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Post by greyman on May 2, 2017 18:57:29 GMT
If he thinks this is the lowest time in our history, he needs to get checked out.
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Post by greyman on Apr 26, 2017 13:34:39 GMT
Oh I agree with that last paragraph mate He has issued a statement saying none involved match fixing or anything of that nature He also said whilst at Rangers that it was "strange" that he had been sent home from training and had no idea why, when it later (after being suspended by the SFA) turned out he knew full well it was because of his gambling back then as well. Bearing in mind what we all know he's like, why anyone would believe a statement from Joey Barton and presume it must be the full story god only knows. He's already tried to blame the FA for his "early retirement" in this case so he's hardly going to come out holding his hands up saying "Yeah, i've been an utter prick and can't blame anyone else but myself" is he? There's always an explanation with Joey isn't there? Whether he's betting on matches, assaulting people in the street, trying to injure opponents, stubbing cigars out in teammates' eyes, punching non league players, fighting 15 year olds, running over pedestrians, feigning injury or whatever. Poor Joey.
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Post by greyman on Apr 26, 2017 13:20:22 GMT
Over 10 years not 7 weeks Ha - turns out I can't read. Or see what I want to see. 2006, not 2016. I'll be brave and not delete my post. PULIS OUT! Some people may not know that Wilbur here is a surveyor. working for one of the world's largest architecture firms*. I'm going to place some bets on his clients' buildings falling down, the daft twat. *BTW Will, I presented at their offices just before Christmas. Next time, you can buy me that pint you no doubt owe me.
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Post by greyman on Apr 26, 2017 10:24:15 GMT
So, West Ham aren't content with a stadium massively subsidised by the taxpayer, then?
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Post by greyman on Apr 26, 2017 4:45:07 GMT
That's not quite true either. The charges were brought mainly on the basis of the statements made by Ched Evans and Clayton McDonald themselves. It's all in the court transcripts. Neither man denied the events, just the claim that she hadn't consented. In fact, the only way the facts of the case came to be known was through the statements made by the two men. The woman has never accused them of anything. People put 2 and 2 together in every walk of life. She is still at fault for her part in this bullshit. So your telling me she went to the police to claim a missing handbag yet he's gone to jail for rape? Just because of missing handbag? I do not believe that.
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Post by greyman on Apr 25, 2017 22:07:40 GMT
She never accused Evans of rape. She went into the police to report a stolen handbag. She then told them her story and they put 2 and 2 together. That's not quite true either. The charges were brought mainly on the basis of the statements made by Ched Evans and Clayton McDonald themselves. It's all in the court transcripts. Neither man denied the events, just the claim that she hadn't consented. In fact, the only way the facts of the case came to be known was through the statements made by the two men. The woman has never accused them of anything.
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