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Post by davyboy on May 19, 2017 9:02:22 GMT
Another well written piece that charts our decline over the last 18 months. We have all lauded Hughes' top nine finishes, but as Whitaker says the poor form over the last 18 months means that is one third of Hughes' tenure as manager here. I think Coates is wrong to dismiss the views of a signifcant section of the loyal fan base, myself included. It is niot a cse of anger, more one of disappoinment that we have fallen from the high standards we have set.
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Post by greyman on May 19, 2017 9:16:00 GMT
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Post by pavel on May 19, 2017 9:25:51 GMT
Pretty spot on for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 9:40:50 GMT
No mention of our awful injury record at the back end of last season as a potential reason for us falling away? And you can't point the finger at Hughes' transfer policy then in the next breath hold Grant's success up as a yardstick for our decline when it was Hughes that brought him in despite him "never playing Premier League football"
But all in all a fair summary.....
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 19, 2017 9:48:46 GMT
Me, too. I think the club are treating us like mugs and I don't blame fans for seeing through it. Any other club would have been rid of Hughes by now. |
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Post by vintagestein on May 19, 2017 10:09:57 GMT
Thankfully, it seems other fans are starting to take notice of what i said 6 months ago.
We are stale beyond belief, whilst i will be there again next season supporting Stoke, i simply cannot put any trust in Hughes to maintain the levels we have set.
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Post by NassauDave on May 19, 2017 10:30:06 GMT
I am staggered that Peter Coates can't see that Hughes is failing badly.
We are in extremely deep shit whilst this clueless fool who cannot motivate his players,has no game plan, has no idea how to handle substitutions,who does not trust expensive signings, who does not trust youth players, and who never has a plan B remains as manager of our club.
I fear the worst. This is the Titanic waiting to happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 10:37:26 GMT
Spot on, and the way I feel. I would give him a maximum of four games at the start of next season, presuming he is still here, and if not winning any of those four games, it would be bye bye Mark, time to move on!
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Post by OldStokie on May 19, 2017 10:47:32 GMT
That pretty much sums up almost every fan's feelings (I would think)and I am baffled why our owners are allowing it to continue. We have imploded big style and are hurtling towards a big black hole of relegation (or into Benji's crocodile's jaws) unless Hughes can sort things out, which, judging from the last eighteen months, he is incapable of doing. We have become an utter shambles of a team and I am pleased the season is over so I can have a rest from the constant disappointments.
OS.
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Post by stokesaint1 on May 19, 2017 10:47:33 GMT
Spot on, and the way I feel. I would give him a maximum of four games at the start of next season, presuming he is still here, and if not winning any of those four games, it would be bye bye Mark, time to move on! Way too late. By then the window will have closed and anyone coming in would have to go with whoever Hughes has brought in and judging by most of his incomings to date, that would not be a good position. It has to be straight after the Southampton game, to give a new man a fighting chance. |
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Post by OldStokie on May 19, 2017 10:49:25 GMT
Spot on, and the way I feel. I would give him a maximum of four games at the start of next season, presuming he is still here, and if not winning any of those four games, it would be bye bye Mark, time to move on! How I feel now, I wouldn't give him that long, Robbo. I think it's time for a new broom and take a chance on someone changing things around. OS. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 19, 2017 11:00:15 GMT
Says it all really , just hope that despite the rhetoric that the club realise the challenge ahead of them
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Post by iglugluk on May 19, 2017 11:02:30 GMT
We need to replace him straight away before the summer transfer window gets going, in my opinion. The noises coming from the club seem to indicate this is unlikely though, so I hope Hughes can justify their confidence in him and prove me wrong.
........... pretty sure I'm not though.
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Post by crapslinger on May 19, 2017 11:03:56 GMT
Just as it is, spot on blip my arse. |
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Post by cheshirepotter on May 19, 2017 11:05:03 GMT
This excerpt sums the situation up perfectly:
'The fans' protestations are not as a result of a bottom-half finish -- far from it, in fact. They are as a result of the fact that their side's fortunes have been in decline for so long despite numerous transfer windows and opportunities to turn things around.'
Our league position has absolutely nothing - or very little - to do with the way I, and many others, feel at the moment. What does have a lot to do with it is the type of football that is being played, and has been for two seasons with few exceptions. It is everything to do with the player choice, selection, motivation and utilisation.
This is a well written piece, however as usual the external viewpoint is months, if not a year or two, behind the reality of what we see week in, week out. We've been seeing this for months, and months, and months. And to repeat - it is nothing to do with finishing 8th, 9th, or anywhere else...
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Post by mrred on May 19, 2017 11:40:37 GMT
Thankfully, it seems other fans are starting to take notice of what i said 6 months ago. We are stale beyond belief, whilst i will be there again next season supporting Stoke, i simply cannot put any trust in Hughes to maintain the levels we have set. I said the same 12 months ago but didn't renew. Was prepared to be proven wrong. Was unfortunately not. |
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Post by thevoid on May 19, 2017 11:44:57 GMT
Sums up how I feel to a tee.
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Post by Squeekster on May 19, 2017 11:48:04 GMT
Despite that, the big man is all set to feature again up front Sunday against old club Southampton now that Mame Diouf has seemingly found his way back to the bench, having only scored once in one-and-a-half games. He is likely to be joined up there by the still-goalless Saido Berahino in what is expected to be yet another shift in formation.
Here in lies the problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 12:05:29 GMT
Despite that, the big man is all set to feature again up front Sunday against old club Southampton now that Mame Diouf has seemingly found his way back to the bench, having only scored once in one-and-a-half games. He is likely to be joined up there by the still-goalless Saido Berahino in what is expected to be yet another shift in formation. Here in lies just some of the many problem s. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 12:48:01 GMT
That pretty much sums up almost every fan's feelings (I would think)and I am baffled why our owners are allowing it to continue. We have imploded big style and are hurtling towards a big black hole of relegation (or into Benji's crocodile's jaws) unless Hughes can sort things out, which, judging from the last eighteen months, he is incapable of doing. We have become an utter shambles of a team and I am pleased the season is over so I can have a rest from the constant disappointments. OS. In the distance I can hear the sound of crocodile jaws snapping. And I am fearful. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 12:49:58 GMT
Despite that, the big man is all set to feature again up front Sunday against old club Southampton now that Mame Diouf has seemingly found his way back to the bench, having only scored once in one-and-a-half games. He is likely to be joined up there by the still-goalless Saido Berahino in what is expected to be yet another shift in formation. Here in lies the problem. It's baffling. The players must feel like giving up., And Saido. Our problem child. Our waif. Our forlorn goalless wonder..... |
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Post by richardparker on May 19, 2017 12:52:29 GMT
It's a bit late to be thinking about youth now, for this season. Having said that, it looks like Sobhi will start on Sunday, which is definitely a good thing!
As I understood it, the investment in Clayton Woods was in large part an attempt to get more players coming through the ranks. That hasn't happened and it's a huge concern. The whole scouting network, along with the management's record on this needs reviewing.
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Post by reddipotter on May 19, 2017 12:57:57 GMT
A smart manager arriving in the next few weeks could arrest the decline. If we wait until some way into next season it will be too late (= relegation).
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Post by reddipotter on May 19, 2017 12:59:04 GMT
Despite that, the big man is all set to feature again up front Sunday against old club Southampton now that Mame Diouf has seemingly found his way back to the bench, having only scored once in one-and-a-half games. He is likely to be joined up there by the still-goalless Saido Berahino in what is expected to be yet another shift in formation. Here in lies the problem. It's baffling. The players must feel like giving up., And Saido. Our problem child. Our waif. Our forlorn goalless wonder..... I think quite few of the players have given up. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 19, 2017 13:12:06 GMT
Despite that, the big man is all set to feature again up front Sunday against old club Southampton now that Mame Diouf has seemingly found his way back to the bench, having only scored once in one-and-a-half games. He is likely to be joined up there by the still-goalless Saido Berahino in what is expected to be yet another shift in formation. Here in lies the problem. It's baffling. The players must feel like giving up., And Saido. Our problem child. Our waif. Our forlorn goalless wonder..... Everything is fucking wank. Especially our support(before the usual suspects chime in). A new broom is needed, but we are to tight and safe to buy one. My dad used to say Stoke had no ambition and he was right...the miserable Welsh bastard.  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 19, 2017 13:13:05 GMT
Our league position has absolutely nothing - or very little - to do with the way I, and many others, feel at the moment. .. The league position is very important though isn't it, from a financial point of view and a recruitment point of view. It's also important as a quite possible 16th place finish will validate the views of those saying that the 9th (FFS) place finish last season, varnished over a whole host of problems, problems that the manager has worsened rather than corrected. I still can't for the life of me think that absolutely no one will pay with their job for this fiasco of a season. |
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Post by werrington on May 19, 2017 13:22:37 GMT
Our league position has absolutely nothing - or very little - to do with the way I, and many others, feel at the moment. .. The league position is very important though isn't it, from a financial point of view and a recruitment point of view. It's also important as a quite possible 16th place finish will validate the views of those saying that the 9th (FFS) place finish last season, varnished over a whole host of problems, problems that the manager has worsened rather than corrected. I still can't for the life of me think that absolutely no one will pay with their job for this fiasco of a season. I honestly think a heavy defeat on Sunday could well give the board a decision to make mate I know the media are saying he's backed but I think Sunday is a massive day ....lose then fair enough it's football, lose heavily then we'll see |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 13:44:38 GMT
The league position is very important though isn't it, from a financial point of view and a recruitment point of view. It's also important as a quite possible 16th place finish will validate the views of those saying that the 9th (FFS) place finish last season, varnished over a whole host of problems, problems that the manager has worsened rather than corrected. I still can't for the life of me think that absolutely no one will pay with their job for this fiasco of a season. I honestly think a heavy defeat on Sunday could well give the board a decision to make mate I know the media are saying he's backed but I think Sunday is a massive day ....lose then fair enough it's football, lose heavily then we'll see I honestly think our players will vote. 3-1 3-0 4-1 4-0 |
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Post by magwitch on May 19, 2017 14:20:05 GMT
PC is living in the past in my opinion. I can think of no other Premier League Club where the manager would still be in place after MH's record over the last 18 months. It is loyalty taken to extremes, overriding all other considerations such as the Club, the fans, and even the owners themselves. He clearly sees this as a good thing, but if the last 18 months is anything to go by he will bitterly regret it this time next year. I cannot even see that it is in the interests of MH himself, who will clearly suffer significant damage to his reputation and hence future employment prospects by presiding over a disastrous relegation season.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 19, 2017 14:21:49 GMT
One not so good season out of 4 isn't that bad il judge him at the end of next season
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