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Post by sonichuth on May 14, 2017 11:15:30 GMT
***This episode contains a fair bit of swearing*** Exactly a year since their first show, The Wizards discuss Stoke shipping four goals. Things get very heated, Mark Hughes is compared to Ozymandias, and we attempt to talk through exactly what is going wrong and what needs to happen in the summer. Out on Souncloud - soundcloud.com/user-602020638/wizards-55-explicitor iTunes now |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on May 14, 2017 15:02:40 GMT
another good podcast
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Post by sonichuth on May 14, 2017 17:54:55 GMT
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Post by mrred on May 14, 2017 17:57:53 GMT
Excellent, should make Monday that bit easier. Cheers lads.
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Post by DarelRussell on May 14, 2017 19:40:47 GMT
Shite game of football, excellent insight as always from the lads afterwards. Here's to another year!
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Post by greyman on May 14, 2017 23:19:58 GMT
Meh. I usually like what they do. But they crossed a line into student bollocks tonight. So anybody who disagrees with the statement 'this is the worst season in Stoke's history' deserves to be mocked' just because it isn't?' Well, duh, FACT. The only thing they've got in their favour with this line of reasoning is they didn't use the prefix 'meta' just for once. I know they quoted Ozymandias but they've probably just been to see Alien Covenant so let's cut them some slack on this score. The truth is that this has been a crappy season and Hughes needs to go, but some of us not only have spent decades following the club, but know about their postmodernist theorising and can shite all over it. So here you go.
Hughes needs to go. What we needed at the time. But no more.
Pulis isn't a 'club legend'. He is an absolute cock who functions as a manager when his interests coincide with the club's but would clearly see the whole thing fall apart in any other situation. Which is why both his track record and the court system consider him a fraud, liar and crook. Good manager. Absolute twat of a human being.
The lot of them need to stop basing their opinions on what they've achieved on Football Manager /Fifa and the things they've been taught about Lacan, Foucault and Derrida and accept that we can do better within certain constraints, none of which will involve the use of the term 'meta'.
And if they want a club legend, Jackie Marsh was in the Gardener's having a pint with fans on Saturday. I know he probably deserves their scorn based on this podcast, because he predates 2008, but what can you do? Apparently only the under 25s deserve an opinion on an underwhelming season.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 14, 2017 23:23:37 GMT
Meh. I usually like what they do. But they crossed a line into student bollocks tonight. So anybody who disagrees with the statement 'this is the worst season in Stoke's history' deserves to be mocked' just because it isn't?' Well, duh, FACT. The only thing they've got in their favour with this line of reasoning is they didn't use the prefix 'meta' just for once. I know they quoted Ozymandias but they've probably just been to see Alien Covenant so let's cut them some slack on this score. The truth is that this has been a crappy season and Hughes needs to go, but some of us not only have spent decades following the club, but know about their postmodernist theorising and can shite all over it. So here you go. Hughes needs to go. What we needed at the time. But no more. Pulis isn't a 'club legend'. He is an absolute cock who functions as a manager when his interests coincide with the club's but would clearly see the whole thing fall apart in any other situation. Which is why both his track record and the court system consider him a fraud, liar and crook. Good manager. Absolute twat of a human being. The lot of them need to stop basing their opinions on what they've achieved on Football Manager /Fifa and the things they've been taught about Lacan, Foucault and Derrida and accept that we can do better within certain constraints, none of which will involve the use of the term 'meta'. Great post. |
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Post by ParaPsych on May 14, 2017 23:35:20 GMT
Is Ozymandias manager of Panathinaikos?
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Post by greyman on May 14, 2017 23:39:12 GMT
Is Ozymandias manager of Panathinaikos? Nah. You're mixing him up with Dave Prometheus who managed the great team of Fabal Noblyass and Roy Batty. |
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Post by ParaPsych on May 14, 2017 23:57:07 GMT
Is Ozymandias manager of Panathinaikos? Nah. You're mixing him up with Dave Prometheus who managed the great team of Fabal Noblyass and Roy Batty. Aah, so it was Dave who set up the Prometheus School of Running Away From Things? |
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Post by greyman on May 14, 2017 23:59:03 GMT
Nah. You're mixing him up with Dave Prometheus who managed the great team of Fabal Noblyass and Roy Batty. Aah, so it was Dave who set up the Prometheus School of Running Away From Things? Marc Goodfellow. Why veer off when you can keep going? |
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Post by NassauDave on May 15, 2017 3:33:48 GMT
Great podcast.
I didn't know this even existed!
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Post by sonichuth on May 15, 2017 6:30:56 GMT
Meh. I usually like what they do. But they crossed a line into student bollocks tonight. So anybody who disagrees with the statement 'this is the worst season in Stoke's history' deserves to be mocked' just because it isn't?' Well, duh, FACT. The only thing they've got in their favour with this line of reasoning is they didn't use the prefix 'meta' just for once. I know they quoted Ozymandias but they've probably just been to see Alien Covenant so let's cut them some slack on this score. The truth is that this has been a crappy season and Hughes needs to go, but some of us not only have spent decades following the club, but know about their postmodernist theorising and can shite all over it. So here you go. Hughes needs to go. What we needed at the time. But no more. Pulis isn't a 'club legend'. He is an absolute cock who functions as a manager when his interests coincide with the club's but would clearly see the whole thing fall apart in any other situation. Which is why both his track record and the court system consider him a fraud, liar and crook. Good manager. Absolute twat of a human being. The lot of them need to stop basing their opinions on what they've achieved on Football Manager /Fifa and the things they've been taught about Lacan, Foucault and Derrida and accept that we can do better within certain constraints, none of which will involve the use of the term 'meta'. And if they want a club legend, Jackie Marsh was in the Gardener's having a pint with fans on Saturday. I know he probably deserves their scorn based on this podcast, because he predates 2008, but what can you do? Apparently only the under 25s deserve an opinion on an underwhelming season. Some fair points, some bollocks. Haven't seen Alien covenant, but the Ozymandias thing was a deliberate pretentious exaggeration of the situation. So the studenty bollocks, as you say, was on purpose. We've never said anyone older than 25 deserves scorn, that's absolute shite. We're reacting to a culture of dismissing those under 25 because they happen to be young. We'd love Jackie Marsh on. Also, you won't find me disagreeing that Pulis is Ann awful bloke. But at the time, based on his achievements, Pulis was a club legend. I don't see what's so wrong with that statement. And as for all your points about Hughes, anyone who's listened to us for more than 10 minutes knows we agree with that. |
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 6:53:31 GMT
Nobody has dismissed the under 25s. Just the idea that this season is the worst thing that has ever happened to Stoke City.
I agree that you never said that the over 25s deserve scorn. You just scorned them.
And if one of you ever utters the word 'meta' again, I'm coming round to administer a dry slap.
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Post by sonichuth on May 15, 2017 7:01:24 GMT
Nobody has dismissed the under 25s. Just the idea that this season is the worst thing that has ever happened to Stoke City. I agree that you never said that the over 25s deserve scorn. You just scorned them. And if one of you ever utters the word 'meta' again, I'm coming round to administer a dry slap. We never used it last episode. You must have a real aversion to it because we're struggling to remember times we've used it. We didn't scorn the over 25s, we scorned those who scorn the young. We've read and heard the young being dismissed plenty this season - things like being accused of being pretentious students because we referenced a poem. Take issue with our opinions, but don't misrepresent them. |
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 7:15:57 GMT
Anybody who argues that this is Stoke's worst ever season deserves to be dismissed. We're turning into the sorts of fans we used to deride just a few years ago.
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Post by sonichuth on May 15, 2017 7:21:48 GMT
Anybody who argues that this is Stoke's worst ever season deserves to be dismissed. We're turning into the sorts of fans we used to deride just a few years ago. We didn't say that though! We said it was our most disappointing season OF OUR LIFETIME relative to expectations. That's where the whole thing comes from! We don't genuinely believe it's worse than 98, 85etc. because we don't remember them. |
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 8:05:18 GMT
All I can say is that you're doing well producing the podcast at age of nine then. Do you slow it down to make your voices sound broken?
Oh, and I never said that was YOUR argument. Just that you mocked older fans for putting perspective on what's happened this year.
What did you make of the 2003 season?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 8:15:09 GMT
Meh. I usually like what they do. But they crossed a line into student bollocks tonight. So anybody who disagrees with the statement 'this is the worst season in Stoke's history' deserves to be mocked' just because it isn't?' Well, duh, FACT. The only thing they've got in their favour with this line of reasoning is they didn't use the prefix 'meta' just for once. I know they quoted Ozymandias but they've probably just been to see Alien Covenant so let's cut them some slack on this score. The truth is that this has been a crappy season and Hughes needs to go, but some of us not only have spent decades following the club, but know about their postmodernist theorising and can shite all over it. So here you go. Hughes needs to go. What we needed at the time. But no more. Pulis isn't a 'club legend'. He is an absolute cock who functions as a manager when his interests coincide with the club's but would clearly see the whole thing fall apart in any other situation. Which is why both his track record and the court system consider him a fraud, liar and crook. Good manager. Absolute twat of a human being. The lot of them need to stop basing their opinions on what they've achieved on Football Manager /Fifa and the things they've been taught about Lacan, Foucault and Derrida and accept that we can do better within certain constraints, none of which will involve the use of the term 'meta'. And if they want a club legend, Jackie Marsh was in the Gardener's having a pint with fans on Saturday. I know he probably deserves their scorn based on this podcast, because he predates 2008, but what can you do? Apparently only the under 25s deserve an opinion on an underwhelming season. I have enjoyed the podcast thus far but the latest episode definitely took a turn for the worse. |
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Post by sonichuth on May 15, 2017 8:49:06 GMT
All I can say is that you're doing well producing the podcast at age of nine then. Do you slow it down to make your voices sound broken? Oh, and I never said that was YOUR argument. Just that you mocked older fans for putting perspective on what's happened this year. What did you make of the 2003 season? Staying up on the final day - fantastic. Pulis takes the first steps towards becoming a legend. It was awful on Saturday so obviously emotions were running high. No offence was meant, but I think Chris in particular is sick of being told he can't moan about something because it's been worse before. It's nothing to do with thinking old people are idiots. We've been in the PL ten seasons now - and we've consistently said how grateful we are for this, we just think harking back to the past is daft when talking about the here and now. If that annoys you, so be it. We were mocking an attitude some Stoke fans have, not a particular age bracket. If you want to put this view across to us via email, we'll address this complaint directly on the pod. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 15, 2017 8:56:09 GMT
This thread is meta-Oatcake.
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 8:58:27 GMT
All I can tell you is that is how it came across. The argument that you have no idea about anything outside your own experience is ridiculous. But if you do believe that, maybe you should stop quoting Shelley and go for Akala and John Hegley. Listen to John Hegley - Greavsie by FootballAndMusic #np on #SoundCloud soundcloud.com/footballandmusic/john-hegley-greavsie |
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Post by sonichuth on May 15, 2017 8:58:29 GMT
This thread is meta-Oatcake. How meta would it be if we talked about how annoying greyman finds meta on the next pod? |
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Post by pavel on May 15, 2017 8:59:54 GMT
Meh. I usually like what they do. But they crossed a line into student bollocks tonight. So anybody who disagrees with the statement 'this is the worst season in Stoke's history' deserves to be mocked' just because it isn't?' Well, duh, FACT. The only thing they've got in their favour with this line of reasoning is they didn't use the prefix 'meta' just for once. I know they quoted Ozymandias but they've probably just been to see Alien Covenant so let's cut them some slack on this score. The truth is that this has been a crappy season and Hughes needs to go, but some of us not only have spent decades following the club, but know about their postmodernist theorising and can shite all over it. So here you go. Hughes needs to go. What we needed at the time. But no more. Pulis isn't a 'club legend'. He is an absolute cock who functions as a manager when his interests coincide with the club's but would clearly see the whole thing fall apart in any other situation. Which is why both his track record and the court system consider him a fraud, liar and crook. Good manager. Absolute twat of a human being. The lot of them need to stop basing their opinions on what they've achieved on Football Manager /Fifa and the things they've been taught about Lacan, Foucault and Derrida and accept that we can do better within certain constraints, none of which will involve the use of the term 'meta'. And if they want a club legend, Jackie Marsh was in the Gardener's having a pint with fans on Saturday. I know he probably deserves their scorn based on this podcast, because he predates 2008, but what can you do? Apparently only the under 25s deserve an opinion on an underwhelming season. Well said!! |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 15, 2017 9:01:31 GMT
This thread is meta-Oatcake. How meta would it be if we talked about how annoying greyman finds meta on the next pod? Hughes level of meta-ness. |
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 9:04:42 GMT
This thread is meta-Oatcake. How meta would it be if we talked about how annoying greyman finds meta on the next pod? Why don't you do something about how fantastic a season it was going through three managers, being rejected by George Burley in embarrassing style, finishing fourth from bottom in the Championship, losing 6 0 to Forest and endlessly wondering why Chris Greenacre is on the wing? Do it wearing traffic cones. |
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Post by pavel on May 15, 2017 9:09:02 GMT
"The argument that you have no idea about anything outside your own experience is ridiculous."
Spot on.
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Post by Will_75 on May 15, 2017 9:13:23 GMT
How meta would it be if we talked about how annoying greyman finds meta on the next pod? Why don't you do something about how fantastic a season it was going through three managers, being rejected by George Burley in embarrassing style, finishing fourth from bottom in the Championship, losing 6 0 to Forest and endlessly wondering why Chris Greenacre is on the wing? shudder |
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Post by sonichuth on May 15, 2017 9:14:09 GMT
All I can tell you is that is how it came across. The argument that you have no idea about anything outside your own experience is ridiculous. But if you do believe that, maybe you should stop quoting Shelley and go for Akala and John Hegley. Again, not our argument. Let me see if I can lay it out. - None of us think this season is genuinely the worst in our history, and we didn't say that - We do think this season has fallen way below expectations relative to the quality of squad. In this respect only, it has been the most disappointing (not worst) of our lifetimes - We think perspective is important, but we have found the attitude of those who say things like "I remember the Wigan 6-1, so what are you complaining about?" to be absurd. That's where the derision came from. Nothing to do with age or disregarding stuff outside our own experience (we just can't speak with authority on stuff we weren't alive for) - I appreciate, in the context of the last 30ish years, these are great times for Stoke, we all do, but the podcast is about Stoke this season. I suppose it's just the natural consequence of being from a different generation. The one before you always thinks your generation is spoilt and ungrateful. You seem really annoyed by the Shelley poem (I nicked it from Breaking Bad btw). Genuinely now, thanks for listening and getting involved. I disagree with your interpretation of our intentions when Chris 'flew off the handle a bit', and as I say it wasn't our intention to mock older Stoke fans. But disagreement is good and at least you cared enough to reply - as with Hughes, apathy is a bigger enemy than anger. We'll happily invite you on the next podcast if you want to set us straight. |
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Post by greyman on May 15, 2017 9:19:26 GMT
You'd regret it. I'm a more pretentious fucker than you bloody amateurs. So, no. You carry on. You must be able to wring ten self-conscious minutes out of this thread.
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