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Post by greyman on Mar 20, 2018 7:56:44 GMT
I agree. Then again, it was less of a blatant red than Mignolet's and look what he did there. He was so quick to get the yellow card out for that, he knew EXACTLY what he was doing. I'm still not one of those who thinks he takes bungs, but the effects of such jaw dropping bias are no different to corruption.
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Post by greyman on Mar 16, 2018 12:20:09 GMT
Thinking a lot. Everton too good y there 10 points ahead. We draw to many need win not going to happen I can tell you've put a lot of thought into that.
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Post by greyman on Mar 12, 2018 14:13:10 GMT
He's assaulted a 14 year old girl because of something her Dad said to him. How can he keep his job?
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Post by greyman on Mar 12, 2018 10:55:53 GMT
If Joey Barton and Vinnie Jones think you've gone way too far, I don't think provocation comes into it.
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Post by greyman on Mar 7, 2018 9:33:32 GMT
A midweek fixture v Coventry. Can't remember the ref but Cov won the game and both managers laid into him after the game. He just lost control of the match and was booking players willy-nilly. Andy Hall. I remember saying to one of my lads before Wayne Thomas was sent off that the ref had lost control of the game completely. Perhaps the most completely blatant act of bias I ever saw from a ref was Atkinson not sending off Mignolet for chopping down Diouf. The speed with which he got out his yellow for a clear red card offence witout so much as looking at his linesman proved he knew exactly what he was doing to get Liverpool off the hook. It was a suspicion confirmed when I read Clattenburg's comments about refs going into games with a 'plan' for how they would award decisions and to which team.
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Post by greyman on Feb 1, 2018 11:33:18 GMT
Set the tone from the off when he allowed their huddle to continue for the best part of two minutes. Bought every single dive, feign of injury. Allowed their players, particularly Deeney to have his ear for the full 90. Booked Bauer for a superb tackle where he won the ball cleanly. Gave Diouf a yellow when, if there even was an incident, it had to be red. Booked their man for kicking out at Crouch when again it should be red if anything. Constantly not up with play. And in the interests of balance, gave us a host of free kicks for pretty much nothing. Beyond wank. I've never understood why having a huddle beyond the scheduled kick off time, or failing to come out of the tunnel within, say, 30 seconds of the officials, doesn't result in a yellow card for every player. That would soon put a stop to this sort of tatty gamesmanship. I didn't think Moss had a clue as to how to referee the game properly. For example the incident leading to the Diouf booking, as mentioned above, was either a card for Diouf or a card for the player who went down but, as neither the ref nor his assistant appear to have seen it, he should have kept his cards in his pocket. You can't punish an incident you did not see. As it is, he MAY have done Diouf a favour as the yellow means that a panel will not review the incident so, whatever Diouf did or didn't do, he can't face further punishment. As regards time wasting neither Moss nor the 4th official appear to have a clue that time wasting is supposed to be dealt with by yellow cards and added time. Until refs are interviewed after games we'll never see an improvement in one of the frustrating aspects of modern football. We've been guilty of time wasting in the past but I've never criticised refs if they prroduce a yellow for persistent offenders. I was watching it the whole time as it happened in front of me. Usual pushing and barging at a free kick, when the Watford player suddenly throws himself to the ground holding his face. Linesman was right there and should have been watching because it had been going on for a few seconds before the incident. It was either a red for Diouf which would have been an incorrect decision or a yellow for the Watford player and a possible ban for simulation. Ref got it completely wrong.
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Post by greyman on Jan 15, 2018 15:16:57 GMT
Except he met with the club and agreed terms. Except that he obviously didn't agree terms or he'd be the manager now. He did agree terms. He didn't sign the contract. Happens all the time in jobs and businesses.
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Post by greyman on Jan 15, 2018 12:37:26 GMT
After 3 or more rejections this is not the appointment everyone wanted. I think everyone agrees that the way this has been handled by SCFC hierarchy is eamatyerish and embarrassing. I don't think this regime is sufficiently proactive or professional enough to take this club anywhere. Having said that, negativity towards the new manager at this point is suicide. So zip up your man suits ladies and let's get behind him and more importantly Stoke. He deserves a chance for having the balls to do this. You'll never get everyone happy with any individual manager. However, saying that Lambert is ahead of our 2nd and 3rd rejections in terms of my preference. QSF was never going to happen either. Except he met with the club and agreed terms.
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Post by greyman on Jan 15, 2018 10:38:13 GMT
So not 3-0 down at home to Chester City by half time in the third division? Losing 7-0 at home to Birmingham after putting the team up for sale? I could name a hundred more but you get the point. The whole thing is an avoidable mess, but try not to join in the hysteria. Both of those humiliations overseen by Peter Coates. Just like this one. Got any other things overseen by Peter Coates?
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Post by greyman on Jan 15, 2018 9:13:13 GMT
Went to my first game Boxing Day 1969 - this is the most embarrassed I've ever been? So not 3-0 down at home to Chester City by half time in the third division? Losing 7-0 at home to Birmingham after putting the team up for sale? I could name a hundred more but you get the point. The whole thing is an avoidable mess, but try not to join in the hysteria.
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Post by greyman on Jan 11, 2018 8:07:41 GMT
Just as the players look terrified to make a mistake on the pitch..the board seem terrified to take any kind of risk on an 'unproven' young manager. Part of the malaise running through the Club. As Dr Johnson once said; "Once you're afraid to lose you will NEVER win" That was Epictetus
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Post by greyman on Jan 9, 2018 7:12:17 GMT
Do we have in our Squad - On current form? In line with what Jack was saying about needing players with quality, talent, characters etc, but just how much talent and quality do we need For me, on current form, we have 2 prem quality players:Allen Choupu OK/Average – can do a jobShawcross Zouma Bruno Cameron Grant Ramadan Not Good Enough:Ireland Affelay Adam Jesse Crouch Bojan Muniesa Edwards(promising) Liability:Fletcher Imbula Pieters Haugard Tymon Butland – of the 40 goals or so he has conceded this season, in my opinion, he could of done better with quite a few of them perhaps over half, either way he has been poor, possibly at fault with both goals again on Saturday and could have made himself a bigger target for the goal conceded against Newcastle. Like it or not he is 1 of the reasons we find ourselves in the bottom 3. Not sure if anything to do with injury, but not the same player since he came back – for me a definite liability this season, should not be beyond being dropped especially when you consider how well Grant played for us last year – Grant’s performances possibly one of the reasons we got to the 40pt mark last year. Fecking EmbarrassmentShaqiri – Can’t run, can’t defend, and can’t influence a game enough – needs playing somewhere different by the new manager so we can get the best out of him or might be time to move him to a champion’s league team or Darlington whoever would have him Wimmer – We need to be suing Spurs for the Trades Description act, surely should be illegal to advertise him as a football player, this is the biggest heist since the great train robbery Johnson Diouf Berahino I think I read somewhere that we were the slowest team in the league, cover less ground as a team than anybody else in the league and we have, of course, 1 of the worse defensive units in Europe. The new manager has some scraps to work with, but Jack was right we need some quality players in the window, heck just some players with a bit of ability also as Jack alludes to and not just 1 player, but 4 or 5 to have a stab at staying in the promised land. The worry is we now have a new man coming in with no time to evaluate what is possibly the worst/unbalanced squad of players in the prem. That man is more than likely going to have no modern-day prem experience because we, of course, can only do British managers and all the half decent ones have gone – He who hesitates has lost springs to mind, but seriously how did we let it get this bad and wait so long. It's true I don't read every post on the Oatcake, because my sphincter can't handle the severe clenching caused by embarrassment at what some people write. But I have to say that this is just painful even by the current standards, especially given the amount of 'thought' you've put into it.
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Post by greyman on Jan 3, 2018 13:04:51 GMT
The problem is that I could easily see one of our own morons doing something similar. It's a shame that the guy responsible wasn't in the front row so Livermore could have landed a few blows before being dragged off.
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Post by greyman on Dec 28, 2017 9:10:28 GMT
I don't care mate. I'm tired of all this. Don't go claiming Pulis is respected by everyone in football though. Not in football just in stoke Not even here. We all have eyes and memories and can see what he did here and at other clubs. Good manager, absolute prick of a human being. And a fraudster. Just in case you hadn't realised.
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Post by greyman on Dec 27, 2017 23:54:28 GMT
This is everything I hate about football now. No pride or passion just trying to minimise damage and maintain position in division. Prize money for prem is around £50m and Champions League £25m, stick around £150m on top of that for TV money and cup runs. Based on that the top teams should be £100m or so a year above the lower teams. What’s the difference - advertising (sponsorship) and foreign ownership (eh hem - investment) Liverpool who are consistent non-achievers spending £75m on a half-decent at best centre back, selling another player to Barcelona for £100m +. It’s all a fraud. State sponsors bending the rules for prestige - bribes and backhanders everywhere. PSG spending £200m on Neymar and £150m on Mbappe - how is that financially viable. No one watches the French league and prize money is crap. Why invest that for s pop at a tiny European prize. Agents (the absolute scum of the game) TAKING tens of millions out of the game engineering moves and f@&king over teams that have invested time and money. Clubs hoarding young players and abusing them to their benefit through the loans system. Zouma and Bamford a couple of examples. The whole way the game is played nowadays with quick little players with no steel and grit. Always complaining, tackling all but banned, the whole sport sanitised. There is no better counter to an arrogant little lightweight scrote of a player than an orrible big b@stard centre back that makes his presence felt. It’s what we need and what I miss - it’s also what they want removed. Players are now so isolated from reality, fans isolated from players, owners (in general) not invested in the team and area. The fans no longer matter, what they contribute financially doesn’t matter. They’re just an audience to make it look better on telly. I just watch football these days. I don’t live it any more. That makes me sad. You missed the bit about refs. Apparently it's not enough that certain clubs have massive resources, and two teams of full internationals, with players rotting in the reserves who would walk into the first eleven of a team just a few places below them in the table.
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Post by greyman on Dec 16, 2017 9:42:25 GMT
The vicious personal abuse being said about Mark is vile, unnecessary and, whatever anyone's view on Hughes as Stoke's manager, says more about them than him. Also it's noticeable how history gets rewritten so easily. He's ran out of steam with us but some of us are choosing to forget the good times we've had with him. Yes. I'd also add that there's a level of hysteria on the board that is rooted in our new sense of entitlement. Everybody's worried about what is happening, the vast majority want Hughes gone, but a lot of people also seem to have lost their minds.
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Post by greyman on Dec 11, 2017 9:41:59 GMT
Looks like Pugsley has got it wrong with his post yesterday stating that Hughes has resigned. I am working from home today with the local radio on willing it to make the announcement but no, nothing! Wish people wouldn't start these posts based on "inside info". It just leaves everybody deflated when it doesn't happen. I will continue to listen to the radio and live in hope but I think the "inside info" is just what it is "bullshit". But I shall continue to live in hope for the rest of the day. It's far easier to just treat this kind of thing as bullshit, which is what it nearly always is. I'm amazed that something that is clearly bollocks could have racked up so many responses. Just ignore this stuff, along with ITK transfer rumours, or find out where the usual ITKers live and go round to daub abuse on their door.
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Post by greyman on Dec 5, 2017 11:51:33 GMT
1. No
2. Arf
3. Possibly but not 90 minutes and not to squeeze an advert in every thirty bastard seconds like in gridiron.
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Post by greyman on Dec 4, 2017 8:58:20 GMT
Spurs’ was a red. He ran over and smashed Richarlison in the face with his forearm. Shame he failed to award Watford a penalty too. Re the Diouf/Mignolet decision. It wasn’t a mistake at all. He recognised that a bad foul had been committed by the virtue that he brandished a yellow card and awarded a free kick. Clearly Diouf would have rolled the ball in to an empty net but for the foul. At best, he’s bottled the decision to send a goalkeeper off, at worst he’s decided that as it is Stoke vs Liverpool he’ll only issue a yellow. It’s not as if he doesn’t have a long history of very questionable red cards he’s dished out to us is it!? He knew exactly what he was doing. You can tell that just by the speed with which he whipped out his yellow card. I don't think he so much as glanced at his assistants either. I don't even think it was a bottle job. He was deliberately doing Liverpool a favour. It seems very unlikely he has been paid off but the effect is still the same.
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Post by greyman on Nov 30, 2017 17:29:59 GMT
Mignolet has now said he was willing to risk it to keep a clean sheet. So now we know. In one on one situations, it's OK for the goalie to clean out an attacker. I hope Butland has got the memo for the next time we play a game officiated by Martin Fucking Atkinson.
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Post by greyman on Nov 30, 2017 12:33:49 GMT
Point proven then. Twice.
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Post by greyman on Nov 30, 2017 11:31:42 GMT
So there we have it. Bayern asks for evidence, gets it - twice - and keeps arguing.
But at least he's proved me right from 3 hours ago.
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Post by greyman on Nov 30, 2017 9:41:54 GMT
Haha that's pretty piss poor. So it was one game then. It would be interesting to see if it was just a bad day or they are that shite. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3609949/Matildas-lose-7-0-Newcastle-Jets-15s-Rio-Olympics-warm-up.htmlWomen's teams are not shite in their own terms, they just can't compete with adolescent boys, never mind men. So, if you enjoy watching people who are not physically strong enough to play at a high level hacking the ball around, with a goalie flapping around at thin air and unable to dive, then you can either watch women's football or pop by any park this Sunday and watch some 12 year olds do it - which is about the last age group in which boys and girls can compete. I'm not saying it isn't enjoyable and entertaining, just that comparing it to the men's game is absolute horseshit and it needs to stop.
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Post by greyman on Nov 30, 2017 8:21:12 GMT
Google it. Not that evidence has ever changed your mind about anything.
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Post by greyman on Nov 30, 2017 8:17:37 GMT
Have a professional women's team ever played a male side? It'd be interesting to see at what level they'd be competitive. The best women's international teams have regularly lost by large margins to under 15s boys clubs. So they'd be competitive in their own league and that's it.
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Post by greyman on Nov 30, 2017 8:15:51 GMT
I think the club should now deal with this. It's either a bottle job for the bigger club - far and away the most likely explanation - but it may well be actual corruption when you look at such an outrageous decision. I don't know what the answer is but certainly the club should be asking questions about the fitness of this man to ref Stoke games.
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Post by greyman on Nov 30, 2017 0:08:03 GMT
You should watch non-League instead. You get all of that and a better standard of play too. As for saying the women are better than the men at international level, I just wish they'd play this game to end all this bollocks once and for all. What do you reckon the score would be, given that the female world champions have been battered whenever they've played under 15s boys teams? I'm glad the women's game is getting some attention and growing in popularity, but this kind of horseshit from a supposed football fan drives me up the wall. Of course the men would beat them, just like the best woman sprinter in the world would probably finish last in the mens final, you cant possibly compare the 2 in that way. What I mean is that they are ranked higher and more successful than there male counterparts. That said they would probably be capable of beating Iceland Women in general are doing better than the men in this country within their relevant sports, be it in Athletics, Football, Rugby, Cricket etc Good on em I say - I love watching England ladies playing football, far more than I do the mans game That's not what you said though. If you love it that much, get down to Newcastle Town. They'd thump the England women too.
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Post by greyman on Nov 29, 2017 6:55:54 GMT
Can't really base the standard of women's football on diving. There a lot of men players that are pathetic in this art too. I find women's football more entertaining than the men's game at the moment, more passion, more goalmouth action and people playing who actually care about the result rather than the money. English women are pretty good too, far better than there male counterparts You should watch non-League instead. You get all of that and a better standard of play too. As for saying the women are better than the men at international level, I just wish they'd play this game to end all this bollocks once and for all. What do you reckon the score would be, given that the female world champions have been battered whenever they've played under 15s boys teams? I'm glad the women's game is getting some attention and growing in popularity, but this kind of horseshit from a supposed football fan drives me up the wall.
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Post by greyman on Nov 28, 2017 21:47:39 GMT
Coates is fast becoming a big problem. This place has never been the Brains Trust, but that post really deserves some sort of prize.
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Post by greyman on Nov 28, 2017 11:14:44 GMT
With all due respect this MH side has no bollocks and what ever you thought of Pulis his sides had nothing other than a pair of bollocks, if we find ourselves sucked in to a relegation dogfight fight we are royally fucked. People need to stop burying their heads, the performances may be marginal against our lesser opponents in defeat but they are still defeats, in 10 years time results do not read ................ Palace 2 - Stoke 1 (but stoke played really well and did not deserve to lose and in all fairness it was CP's only second win of the campaign so they were not really be expected to win, plus they scored in extra time so it really should not have counted and Mouting was playing out of position so its not Stokes fault etc etc etc) We have to win against the lesser teams in the league or at least get a draw away at teams like Palace, at this rate we will be running out of winnable games and still burying our heads that the results will come as Hughes teams are always slow starters.....its a joke how we are going and we are all still in denial that this is serious. Yeah, a Pulis side would never be involved in a relegation fight
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