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Post by greyman on Sept 6, 2018 11:19:50 GMT
There is a difference. Pulis came in and stamped his style on the team and addressed the areas needed. Taggett and Crowley come to mind. I remember his first game against Grimsby. Roweett seems to be desperate to find a winning formula and the teams weaknesses have not been addressed. Although Pulis football was a grind at times the man himself is in a different league to Rowett Tony Pulis didn't stamp his style on the team straight away though did he? He lost six of his first nine games and he only managed to turn it around when he was given the funds to sign several loan players after the 0-6 defeat at Nottingham Forest. PS: His first game was away at Walsall. His first home game was against Grimsby, which we lost 1-2. You can prove anything with facts.
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ROWETT
Sept 6, 2018 11:08:45 GMT
Post by greyman on Sept 6, 2018 11:08:45 GMT
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Saido
Aug 29, 2018 4:24:50 GMT
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Post by greyman on Aug 29, 2018 4:24:50 GMT
Fair enough
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Post by greyman on Aug 29, 2018 3:54:07 GMT
He's a hero now all of a sudden??? He was purchased for 12M to hit the ground running and perform. He failed to do that and his failure to do the job which he is paid 70k per week to do is one reason why this club went down and is playing in this league with the likes of Rotheram and Nottingham Forest. Don't forget his persistent lateness, being too heavy, and his drinking and womanising. Is he a hero now? No,not in my eyes unless he blasts in 30 plus goals and gets us back up ASAP. He owes this club BIG TIME. "The likes of Nottingham Forest" Just listen to yourself.
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Post by greyman on Aug 26, 2018 19:58:31 GMT
Why should he? He just sweeps up and makes the tea remember, whilst his mate answers the phone. Oh yeah, I forgot. Unless yesterday's win turns into a bit of a good run, then Spinks will have to dust off his, 'how pivotal to our success they are' article! For the first time ever, momo may be more than half right about something. Although from what I understand, Spinks is doing his best to report on issues while the club is not being as, let's say, forthcoming as it might be.
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Post by greyman on Aug 22, 2018 15:20:59 GMT
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Post by greyman on Aug 18, 2018 15:34:24 GMT
Be an adult and stop peddling bullshit that might ruin a man's life or worse. Read my posts on this thread, I've peddled nothing, but I have joined in the general ribaldry.Theres nothing that I've contributed that ruins anyone's life. You're part of a mob that knows fuck all but is happy to spread things like this around. You don't know anything about him, his family, his life or state of mind.
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Post by greyman on Aug 18, 2018 12:08:16 GMT
Rumours, rumours rumours! Disgusting anti-social media at it's worst-and most of the comments here are frankly disgraceful. I'd say the same if he was a lousy ref, but actually he was one of the best. Shame! I hate spreading rumours too,but what else can you do with them 😀 Be an adult and stop peddling bullshit that might ruin a man's life or worse.
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Post by greyman on Aug 18, 2018 8:52:40 GMT
It is looking more and more like massive wind up. This kind of thing always brings out the worst kind of dark humour in people (me included) - personally I hope is bollocks and the bloke has stepped down for other, personal reasons. The only thing anybody knows is that his marriage has broken down. The bloke might be falling apart and he's now also dealing with a mob who know precisely fuck all about him.
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Post by greyman on Aug 5, 2018 15:30:29 GMT
One of my biggest disappointments is that we didn't attempt to poach the best players from our likely opposition. ie take Brentfords best couple of players, take Bristol cities best players and effectively try and Man City the champ. Strengthening by weakening your opposition. Because it's not Football Manager 2019
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Post by greyman on Jul 23, 2018 17:56:27 GMT
Mostly disappointed my remarks about backtracking and tackling didn't get picked up, or were just outright ignored. Which would be hurtful. Still seems utterly bizarre to me that in a world of people fawning over Putin for a month, and when the political leader of both Ozil's country and our own have met with Erdogan in recent times with little more than a token gesture Ozil is the problem. But if anything, at a charity event that's for a good cause and all the general shenanigans of life in which footballers are programmed up to the gills to meet and greet as politely as possible is it any surprise Ozil did what he would probably do with anyone. I refuse to believe Mesut Ozil is held to a higher standard of conduct than Angela Merkel. There can be excuses made, but its laughably unfair. That's not what I said. But nice try.
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Post by greyman on Jul 23, 2018 17:44:12 GMT
I think there is a general point here and in that regard I can see why he's making it. However, he has also been photographed gladhanding Erdogan, a de facto dictator who has interfered in German elections, imprisoned German journalists and made statements every bit as toxic and divisive as those of Putin or Trump. Yet he went to Germany last year and has an invitation again to go sometime soon I believe. Erdogan had met the queen and Theresa May shortly before meeting Ozil. He had been let into the UK freely, not a problem, no issues it seems. In fact, don't we still send big wads of cash down to Erdogan in Turkey to stop some of the Syrians finding their way into the EU? Seriously though the most bizarre thing in all of this are people are criticising Ozil for not backtracking after meeting him and failing to tackle Erdogan on any issues. Why would they ever expect that in the first place? Like I say, I think he's got a point on the general issue, but if you're going to have your picture taken with a murderous anti-democratic demagogue who has been criticised by your home country for interfering in their elections, you're going to get some flak. Let's dismiss the attitude of world leaders to Erdogan as examples of Realpolitik. The same way they'll shake hands with Trump, Putin and King Abdullah. Ozil doesn't have to play that game.
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Post by greyman on Jul 23, 2018 15:27:46 GMT
I think there is a general point here and in that regard I can see why he's making it. However, he has also been photographed gladhanding Erdogan, a de facto dictator who has interfered in German elections, imprisoned German journalists and made statements every bit as toxic and divisive as those of Putin or Trump.
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Post by greyman on Jul 19, 2018 7:04:56 GMT
WTF! He was fucking sublime before his injury,one of the best players for decades before his injury. And as pointed out a zillion times he was damn fine after his injury too with Arnie and Shaqiri People see what they want to see. I guarantee he won’t feature this season. There are reasons frankly why you go from Barcelona to us. "People see what they want to see" They certainly do.
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Post by greyman on Jul 16, 2018 10:00:32 GMT
We've bought Afobe who scores 1 in 2 in The Championship. There. Fixed it for you. May I point out: 1. Yes he has scored 13 goals in 21 matches in 2014-15; that's 3 years ago. 2. Before then he achieved very little. 3. Since then, he has scored 9 in 25 in 2015-16, and 6 in 16 in 2017-18. That's hardly "scores 1 in 2". 4. In between he has scored 10 goals in 63 matches in the Prem., so he won't be much use if we are promoted. So he is not as good a Jon Walters was. 5. Oh, and by the way, we haven't bought him yet, but if he proves to be not up to standard we are still stuck with him. Would that things can be "fixed" so easily. A month ago I was very optimistic, today I feel like storm clouds are gathering and we are going to start the new season without the players the manager wanted and not fully prepared, still we should be used to that. "I don't like facts. I find they tend to cloud my judgement" Just cut and paste that into your statement instead.
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Post by greyman on Jul 16, 2018 5:20:33 GMT
I am getting very concerned: We've bought Afobe, who scores 6 goals a season. We've bought Afobe who scores 1 in 2 in The Championship. There. Fixed it for you.
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Post by greyman on Jul 13, 2018 11:06:25 GMT
I don't know why you'd think that. He hasn't played for England since 2012 and his club record is mediocre at best. Peter Crouch has scored 50 percent more goals than him over the same period he's been at Stoke. Add in the fact he's the sort of utter prick Gareth Southgate is trying not to pick, and there's no case for him being part of the England setup. Crouch scoring 50% more and Carroll being an utter prick are all part of the looking after himself and staying fit I referred to. Their goals per game records are similar using the start of the 2011 season (when Crouch joined Stoke) - your 50% more figure must be based on all games rather than just league games, so using those stats, Carroll scores a goal every 4.16 games where Crouch scores 1 every 3.93 games. Carroll’s goals per game in league games is better than Crouch. 1 in 4.1 against Crouch’s 1 in 4.5. My view is that Carroll would have scored more if he’d had an injury-free run. The way he can bully defenders, and particularly given England’s current love of a good set-piece, I think he’d have been ideal. Whenever he gets a run of games, he scores, and is always talked of as being someone who should be considered for England. It’s always quickly been followed by another lay-off. The injuries seem to be connected to his reported lifestyle, and if the rumours of this latest incident are true, it doesn’t look like he’s in a hurry to change. Maybe he’ll regret it in later life, or maybe he’ll look back on a life enjoyed. All of which may be true, and he still wouldn't get picked because he's a prick. Within six years, he'll be broke and washed up and scabbing money where he can find it.
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Post by greyman on Jul 13, 2018 6:36:27 GMT
If he’d looked after himself and stayed fit, he would at the very least have been the plan B England needed v Croatia. He’s done very well for himself, but he could have been so much more. I don't know why you'd think that. He hasn't played for England since 2012 and his club record is mediocre at best. Peter Crouch has scored 50 percent more goals than him over the same period he's been at Stoke. Add in the fact he's the sort of utter prick Gareth Southgate is trying not to pick, and there's no case for him being part of the England setup.
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Post by greyman on Jun 28, 2018 15:30:16 GMT
Interesting piece from the article from Rowett. "We are working very hard. Tony (Scholes) and Mark (Cartwright) are working very hard to try to get some of the targets we have all agreed upon and ultimately it’s like anything: I want them tomorrow and they want the best deals! We then work together to try to find the middle ground." That can't be right. Both Cartwright and Scholes have told the Sentinel they had absolutely nothing to do with decisions on player signings. Unless.
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Post by greyman on Jun 19, 2018 14:05:35 GMT
If I had a fiver for everytime the word hater is used on this board to describe someone else's description of a player I could swan off to the Caribbean for a life of luxury now! Its just an overused cliche but yes, its basically used as a mechanism to make out that someone is criticising a player/coach unfairly. Hater- Definition: Informal. a person who thrives on showing hate toward, criticizing, or belittling other people or things, usually unfairly: The guy is just a hater, looking for a fight. Seems quite a good definition of some posters on here 😜 That's not how most people use it. The most common definition I see is: 'somebody who's called me out on my bullshit and I have no answer to it so I'm going to just call them a name'
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Post by greyman on May 23, 2018 20:34:41 GMT
If Villa somehow beat Fulham then Fulham have to be one of the front runners for next season. Not necessarily. They'll be picked apart if not promoted.
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Post by greyman on May 14, 2018 9:16:11 GMT
They’ll get knocked out before the group stages.... With Burnley's defence that isn't necessarily so. And if they get to Valencia away in the knockout stages I can't see Sean Dyche fielding a weakened team and half a bench. I can't either.
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Post by greyman on May 14, 2018 5:41:13 GMT
This is behind a paywall, but it's an interesting take, so I thought I'd share
Life outside the Premier League Big Six is troubling. You tread water to protect your TV revenue Oliver Kay, chief football correspondent
This season has shown that Burnley are the exception not the rule when it comes to success
Everything about Turf Moor feels, in the best possible way, like a throwback. Not to the days when the supporters travelled to the ground on the same bus as their heroes, but at least to the days when players would drive into the car park and walk to the dressing room without need for bouncers or security staff to clear a path through the crowd. At Burnley they are happy to mingle, obliging all requests for selfies and autographs.
That does not make Burnley unique, but they do retain a sense of intimacy that has been lost, quite willingly, at so many of the other 19 Premier League clubs. The norm at so many clubs is for players to be bussed in and bussed out, a security cordon to shield them as they emerge from behind blacked-out windows to take the few steps across terra firma to the gilded sanctuary of their dressing room. It is part of what Sean Dyche means when he bemoans the “glossiness” of the Premier League scene, where too many people have become so fixated on the “show” — the glitz, the glamour — that they have lost sight of what really matters in football. And what matters, according to the Burnley manager, is the earthy feeling of “teamship, giving everything for the cause, feeling part of something, being part of a tribe of people who care about one situation.”
Stoke City, Swansea City and West Bromwich Albion supporters might nod in distant recognition of these words as they contemplate what has been lost on their journey back to the Championship. That earthiness took them a long way on their journey to the top flight and it helped them to stay there and to become part of the show. Then the glossiness took over, at the expense of the earthiness, and, before they knew it, their team had been relegated, written out of the show.
It has been another season to reinforce the disconcerting feeling — only briefly challenged in unforgettable fashion by Leicester City two years ago — that the Premier League is a two-tier competition. Well, you could make a strong argument that Manchester City have been in a league of their own, but still it is the usual five clubs behind them. There is the Big Six and then there is the Not-So-Big Fourteen and, while Everton might have fancied their chances of upsetting the established order as they set off on that misguided splurge in the transfer market last summer, it is hard to see that changing any time soon.
It is a serious problem. The Premier League title has not been retained since 2009, but for all the “unscripted drama” hype, it is too predictable. Of the 168 matches played by the Big Six against the other 14 clubs this campaign, they won 117, drew 31 and lost just 20. Too many of those 168 games looked like attack-versus-defence training exercises. Between them, Crystal Palace, Everton and Southampton boast an abysmal record of one win out of 36 against the top six. The financial gulf between the top six and the rest is too big — and it will keep growing if the elite get their way. It has brought about a culture in which too many of the other 14 accept their place too readily. Over time, complacency and staleness seem inevitable.
Thank goodness for Burnley. They were among the pre-season favourites for relegation, yet they finished seventh, qualifying for European competition for the first time since 1966. Would it be doing Dyche and his players a disservice to say that work ethic, pride and honesty are, above all, what have made them the best of the rest in the Premier League this season? Or would it, conversely, be a huge compliment? It certainly wasn’t the quality of their attacking play; they scored 36 goals in 38 matches. They won games and ground out draws through a combination of spirit, endeavour, fitness, organisation and intelligence.
Similar tributes could be paid to Brighton & Hove Albion, Huddersfield Town and Newcastle United under Chris Hughton, David Wagner and Rafa Benítez respectively. These are teams whose supporters, like Burnley’s, have known all season that, win, lose or draw, the players’ application and focus could not be questioned.
Stoke were once this type of club. So were Swansea and West Brom. So were Southampton, who were drifting towards relegation under Mauricio Pellegrino until a late-season resurgence under Mark Hughes. These are clubs who felt that they had done the hard work by establishing themselves in the Premier League over the previous seasons. Over time, though, a sense of identity and purpose has been lost, compounded by questionable managerial appointments and poor recruitment.
It goes back to something Charlie Adam said last week. “A lack of discipline from certain players has been embarrassing,” the Stoke midfielder said after his team’s relegation. “I’ll be honest for the supporters. I think some players have been getting away with murder for a long time. It’s not just one or two. Four or five that could be counted.”
For years, Stoke were built on the attritional qualities that earned them promotion and then regular survival under Tony Pulis. They then reached a point when those qualities were no longer enough, so they appointed Hughes, who replaced some of Pulis’s old stagers with more sophisticated players, introducing a more appealing, more expansive type of football, finishing ninth in each of his first three seasons.
By the summer of 2016, though, the club’s old guard had all but disappeared. “Earthiness” was lost and, to use a twist on an old cliché, they had became the type of team who could not do it on a cold Tuesday night at Stoke — or even, towards the end of Hughes’s time, a mild Saturday afternoon at Stoke. Hughes was sacked in January with his team in the relegation zone. Paul Lambert, his successor, never really threatened to keep them up.
As he has demonstrated before, Hughes is a more than competent manager — one who no longer had the answers at Stoke but found them quickly enough at Southampton. When the Stoke chairman, Peter Coates, suggests that he should have sacked Hughes earlier, he is probably right. As Adam’s comments indicate, it had become a problematic dressing room. Team spirit, one of Stoke’s defining qualities in the early years of their Premier League existence, had become a negative rather than a positive.
Familiarity brings the threat of staleness, but upheaval comes with great risks too. Words like honesty, commitment, effort and respect appear on motivational posters at training grounds up and done the country, but, as Dyche says, they are easier said than instilled. “These,” the Burnley manager said, “are words that people often throw around in football — ‘We need a better culture, a better environment’ — as if it’s easy. It’s not. We put the foundations down here five years ago and we’re still working on it. It takes time. Not many people in football get time.”
David Moyes has encountered resistance at West Ham; Sam Allardyce likewise at Everton; Paul Clement found his initial success at Swansea City was not enough to dispel what he felt was a complacent dressing room; Alan Pardew failed miserably at West Brom. Before anyone suggests that the common denominator in all of this is British managers, Carlos Carvalhal’s magic-wand effect soon ran out at Swansea and Marco Silva lasted even less time at Watford than everyone else does; Claude Puel’s initial upturn at Leicester was followed by a slump that will have predictable consequences; of the ten managerial changes over the course of the season, none brought a more sustained improvement than Crystal Palace’s maligned appointment of Roy Hodgson.
There is something troubling, about life beyond the Big Six. For every success story, too many other clubs and teams are coasting. It seems there is a point at which bright-eyed enthusiasm is followed by a realisation that, with the top six out of reach, they are treading water, their ambitions barely extending beyond the next slice of television revenue. Because the thing about “the show” is that, when you are only interested in staying in it, your involvement comes under serious threat.
At Burnley they have shown that the right stuff can take you a long way. They lost their final fixture 2-1 to Bournemouth — another team who, under Eddie Howe, have striven so hard to retain that earthiness — but the atmosphere was one of jubilation, right down to the “European tour 2018/19” T-shirts. “We’ll see you next season,” said the announcer over the PA system, “and don’t forget your passports.” Again, it felt like a throwback — Europe as the representation of everything that is exciting and exotic. But Dyche will tell them they must not change, must not be seduced by their new horizons. They must remain earthy, their feet kept firmly on the ground.
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Post by greyman on Apr 16, 2018 23:08:28 GMT
Shit off the lot of you! I live in MK and they are my 2nd team (a distance) behind Stoke! In which case you're not needed anywhere near a game of football. The most shameful episode in the modern game and the sooner this club go out of business the better.
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Post by greyman on Apr 16, 2018 9:20:38 GMT
Whilst it mostly seems somewhat of a foolish game to rejoice in the misfortune of others whilst our own club suffers, I experience pure elation when I look at the League One table and see franchise fc languishing perilously close to the precipice. I’m quite anxious now to see MK drop whilst the true Wimbledon survive. That would be perfection. I’d even go as far to say that this scenario would ever so slightly soften the blow of our own demise. MK are a black, molten-plastic stain on the world’s greatest football league structure. The day they cease to be will be a glorious yet profoundly somber one. Glorious because a dark cloud would clear over English football, but somber because, no matter how joyous it would be to see them fold, it will never be compensation for the immense pain and suffering that was inflicted when a small, proud club was stolen from the very community it belonged to. How likely it is to see them go bust I don’t know, but I live in eternal hope. I never really understood this whole Wimbledon turning into MK dons. As a lazy person I was interested but not bothered enough to look into it properly to establish any info on it. But it looked like they were simply stealing a clubs identity despite having no links in any way as Wimbledon and MiltonKeynes are very separate places in their own right. But it was just an easy way of taking a clubs spot in the league in order to start a new team. I completely understand that a place as large as MK should have its own team, but why it ever had anything to do with Wimbledon I don’t know?! ‘Hey were just moving the club down the road so we can have a lovely new stadium and erm..... we’re changing the name as well... What exactly did happen here? I just remember a lot of pissed off Wimbledon supporters looking confused as fooook! If only there was some web based way of finding this kind of thing out for yourself. About time somebody invented it.
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Post by greyman on Mar 27, 2018 18:17:28 GMT
Bojan wasn't bang average before his injury. He was outstanding.
Some people's memories are getting shorter by the day.
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Post by greyman on Mar 26, 2018 7:47:43 GMT
Forget anything the board have or are telling you. Be your own man. With Adam banned for 3 games (thank god), Pieters breaking curfew, Choupo and Cameron injured with no return date, Ngoy, Bojan & Imbula out on gardening leave, you have to roll the dice! We’re going down without so much as a whimper. Several members of the squad are all too ready to give opinions about other teams and players, probably simply to try to heighten their profile as they begin to ‘engineer’ their departure at the end of the season. Crouch has been a good servant but couldn’t burst a paper bag anymore and Johnson and Fletcher are so out of sorts and error prone they shouldn’t start again.We have 7 games left where there can be NO PASSENGERS. So play Butland but stop telling him he’s the best in the fekkin universe. Don’t upset him though because Haugaard is bloody useless Play Bauer, Indi, Zouma and Stafylidis Start Allen, Badou, Jesé and Ireland And go with Berahino and Diouf up front FFS gamble because Adam, Johnson, Fletcher, Pieters, Crouch, Shawcross and unfortunately Shaq are pretty much history! Bench: Haugaard (sweet Jesus), Cameron, Shawcross, Shaq, Sobhi, Edwards,& Campbell And don’t bother about upsetting any old guard egos - give these lads a fekkin run of games! ACT NOW! Dropping our best player, starting Berahino and playing Ireland on the wing would certainly be 'rolling the dice', rather in the same way that going into the lions' enclosure at the zoo with a couple of rib eye steaks down your pants would be 'rolling the dice'. I think he means to play Jese on the wing, because whatever. Like most of his team.
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Post by greyman on Mar 21, 2018 11:18:05 GMT
Could be any number of reasons Geoff, but you already knew that. Do you genuinely think there is more chance of those stats being completely co-incidental than there is of them appearing for any other reason? I think the stats are a concern yes, others think it's proof Atkinson has an agenda against Stoke, in my opinion it's up to those people who claim that to spell out why he might be targeting our club and players in particular. I think a referee goes into a match, like the players, wanting to have a good game and so I'm confused as to why in any game he would do anything that would undermine his own performance. Perhaps some are suggesting that in the case of Stoke he is applying the letter of the law, whereas with other teams he is more lenient, but even if that was true it still begs the question why. As I've already said, Mark Clattenburg gave the game away with his comments. Refs go into games with a plan about how they will make decisions based on their perceptions of a club and a match. I don't think this means Atkinson has an agenda per se, but that is the only reasonable explanation for his demonstrable bias. Personally, I think the club should announce they don't want him to referee any more Stoke games for the foreseeable future. The Premier League won't agree to that, and we'll no doubt get fined, but we need to highlight the fact that we are never reffed fairly by this man. All refs make mistakes but this is about far more than that. We need to put the spotlight on him.
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Post by greyman on Mar 20, 2018 20:45:50 GMT
Being an ex football league official, i understand what Clattenburg is saying here. I wouldn't necessarily call it a pre-made 'game plan' i would call it more safe refereeing. I totally get his point but also understand yours looking in. But if you read between the lines he is not saying I'm going out there to make one team win, far from it. I never said that. I've always been wary of Atkinson but the clincher for me was when he only booked Mignolet for cleaning out Diouf. Happened right in front of us. He never even glanced at his linesman and ran over as fast as he could to give a yellow card as quickly as possible to get it all out of the way. The actions of a man who had a lot of ideas already in his head about what decisions he would and wouldn't give. I also suspect there is a lot of unconscious bias. He wouldn't make the same decisions in other games because he knows he'd hear far more about them in the media. If Butland had taken out Salah in the same way and cost Liverpool points, pundits would be talking about it for days. Whereas, screwing over a bottom half club means he might have to read a sentence about it in one or two papers.
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Post by greyman on Mar 20, 2018 15:45:51 GMT
I'm not disputing Saturday's red card - even a blind squirrel finds the odd nut as they say. However, I do have issue with Atkinson. It's just when you study his record as a whole when officiating our games, there is something that doesn't quite add up. Either he is just extremely incompetent, or he has an agenda of his own. Either way is doesn't make him a very good official for games involving Stoke. I actually got to the point of writing a letter back in 2010 following an episode of his at Sunderland. I've dug it out for old times sake. Some things don't change: I’d like to know who premiership referees answer to (if anyone) because it is becoming blatantly obvious that either the standards are dropping to a level that is dangerous for the future of the sport, or there is something more sinister going on. I refer you to one example from the recent Sunderland versus Stoke City match on Saturday 6th November 2010. In the second half of this match there was a clear handball from a Sunderland defender that took place on the goal line and clearly prevented a goal for Stoke City. Now, this incident was not something that occurred off the ball, it was not a high speed collision that can sometimes be difficult to adjudge, it was not a marginal, split second offside ruling. It was a clear handball that took place on the goal line. And it wasn’t even a split second handball, in fact, to quote the Sunday Times reporter ‘Cattermole allowed the ball to run almost the length of his raised arm’. There can be only two reasons why this penalty was not awarded. The first is complete incompetence on behalf of the official, the second is outright cheating. Now, if a well paid, qualified referee failed to spot this incident then in my opinion he should no longer be allowed to referee again. It was so blindingly obvious that it is the equivalent of driving down the M1 and losing a wheel, only to pull over and call out the RAC and be told, after inspection, ‘there’s nothing wrong here sir’. For the record I was sat 150 yards away, sitting behind a tall bloke wearing a hat, and was sending a text message to a friend whilst drinking a cup of tea – but I still spotted the infringement. You may therefore appreciate why I find it hard to believe that a so called professional who is paid to concentrate on the game and watch the ball failed to do so. Which unfortunately leads me to the conclusion that there may be something more sinister going on. I really would appreciate your comments. Mark Clattenburg gave the game away recently. Refs go into games with a plan. They officiate according to what they have planned for the game. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42219327
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