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Post by clivey05 on Aug 25, 2018 9:54:47 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 25, 2018 9:59:47 GMT
It clearly wasn't his decision to keep me...
Jermaine pennants comment in his book in regard to resigning for stoke city under Mark Hughes.
Who is making these decisions again?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 25, 2018 10:00:52 GMT
The gospel according to Jermaine. There’s an honest, reliable chap if ever there was one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 10:02:23 GMT
Yes, just like this summer and rowett being told what players are staying and what players he can't use. I think he's been told to use bojan, and he has no clue what to do with him
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Post by robrigo on Aug 25, 2018 10:02:23 GMT
It’s all beginning to become clearer as each day passes as to how our club has been and is run. Too many cooks....
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 25, 2018 10:04:05 GMT
Yes, just like this summer and rowett being told what players are staying and what players he can't use. I think he's been told to use bojan, and he has no clue what to do with him Who has he been told he can’t use?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 25, 2018 10:06:16 GMT
Whatever the truth, it's becoming abundantly clear that Scholes is an exceptionally powerful individual with influence across all aspects of the operation and is not averse to a clash to get his own way.
Absolute power with no accountability. We entirely deserve everything that has happened to us and the misery yet to unfold.
We'll wake up one day. There'll only be 11,000 fans their again but I'm sure we'll wake up eventually.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 25, 2018 10:07:55 GMT
Whatever the truth, it's becoming abundantly clear that Scholes is an exceptionally powerful individual with influence across all aspects of the operation and is not averse to a clash to get his own way. Absolute power with no accountability. We entirely deserve everything that has happened to us and the misery yet to unfold. We'll wake up one day. There'll only be 11,000 fans their again but I'm sure we'll wake up eventually. Surely the accountability is to the owners?
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Post by doitforfrank on Aug 25, 2018 10:09:45 GMT
The gospel according to Jermaine. There’s an honest, reliable chap if ever there was one. However you want to dress it up, the noises are getting louder, and what were rumours are starting to gain traction. You may well be playing devils advocate, but the quotes from players at the end of the season, information coming from reliable journalists and now former players suggests that all the so called knicker wetters have been right all along, and the Scholes and (possible) Cartwright are dismantling everything that was good about Stoke City
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 25, 2018 10:10:25 GMT
Whatever the truth, it's becoming abundantly clear that Scholes is an exceptionally powerful individual with influence across all aspects of the operation and is not averse to a clash to get his own way. Absolute power with no accountability. We entirely deserve everything that has happened to us and the misery yet to unfold. We'll wake up one day. There'll only be 11,000 fans their again but I'm sure we'll wake up eventually. Surely the accountability is to the owners? Absolutely. We've deserved everything we've got and the pain yet to come. That Coates boys statement in May is starting to sound more and more like a sick joke with every passing day
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 25, 2018 10:11:26 GMT
It’s all beginning to become clearer as each day passes as to how our club has been and is run. Too many cooks.... ...who can't cook
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Post by boscfc on Aug 25, 2018 10:12:41 GMT
I'm no fan of Scholes but this sounds like book-filling flannel to me.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 25, 2018 10:12:56 GMT
The gospel according to Jermaine. There’s an honest, reliable chap if ever there was one. However you want to dress it up, the noises are getting louder, and what were rumours are starting to gain traction. You may well be playing devils advocate, but the quotes from players at the end of the season, information coming from reliable journalists and now former players suggests that all the so called knicker wetters have been right all along, and the Scholes and (possible) Cartwright are dismantling everything that was good about Stoke City Which ‘reliable journalists’? A vague, throwaway sentence from Mike Pejic? If Hughes didn’t want Pennant, was it Scholes who brought him on to score at West Ham? Does Pennant’s one eyed account of his time under Pulis and his exit under Hughes not discredit him a little bit? I’ll ask again - which of this summer’s signings do you think weren’t signed by Rowett?
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 25, 2018 10:13:01 GMT
Surely the accountability is to the owners? Absolutely. We've deserved everything we've got and the pain yet to come. That Coates boys statement in May is starting to sound more and more like a sick joke with every passing day I think of Scholes as Coates' hatchet man. Its why he keeps his job. They may be his actions, but not always his decisions.
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Post by fca47 on Aug 25, 2018 10:15:25 GMT
Probably the case of a manager saying "It wasn't me gov", people say all these things not to tell the truth, which was probably " You're past it, I don't rate you".
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Post by Lesalanos on Aug 25, 2018 10:15:36 GMT
I think the clues are all there, Moritz Bauer signed the day Hughes was sacked.
It's pretty easy to pick your way through the evidence to see that whilst the managers have players they'd like,and have the final say they often don't get what they'd want.
In many cases the final say is. We couldn't get player A B or C but you can have D or no one. Manager then gets D.
That's been the case to a large degree for Pulis, Hughes, and Lambert.
Rowett I suspect would prefer the players who don't want to be here to gone so that he can start a fresh. I also suspect that had he not got Woods and clucas he'd wall.
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Post by miggoscfc on Aug 25, 2018 10:16:19 GMT
Not sure this constitutes the same thing, he got on well with scholes and the stoke board and didnt with Hughes and his staff. Player goes out on a curfew night and of course would say he didnt drink.
And lets not forget he single handedly destroyed our chances of winning that game, so it wouldnt suprise me if he had been on the pop. He deserved kicking out for that appearance alone.
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Post by Lesalanos on Aug 25, 2018 10:16:28 GMT
I'm no fan of Scholes but this sounds like book-filling flannel to me. on its own I'd agree, but he's not the first to say this.
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Post by scfcwebby on Aug 25, 2018 10:16:53 GMT
It’s all beginning to become clearer as each day passes as to how our club has been and is run. Too many cocks.... Edited for you
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 25, 2018 10:18:36 GMT
The gospel according to Jermaine. There’s an honest, reliable chap if ever there was one. Who would you like to hear it from Rob? Pennant didn't pen this book last week. It would have been a couple of years in the making wouldn't it?
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Post by robrigo on Aug 25, 2018 10:18:54 GMT
It’s all beginning to become clearer as each day passes as to how our club has been and is run. Too many cocks.... Edited for you 😂😂
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 25, 2018 10:20:57 GMT
The gospel according to Jermaine. There’s an honest, reliable chap if ever there was one. Who would you like to hear it from Rob? Pennant didn't pen this book last week. It would have been a couple of years in the making wouldn't it? I don’t think it matters when it was written Dave. Did Scholes bring Pennant on at West Ham? Or against Everton when he’d been on the pop the night before?
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Post by skemstokie on Aug 25, 2018 10:22:29 GMT
Evidanance what the f*** is that ?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 25, 2018 10:31:01 GMT
Who would you like to hear it from Rob? Pennant didn't pen this book last week. It would have been a couple of years in the making wouldn't it? I don’t think it matters when it was written Dave. Did Scholes bring Pennant on at West Ham? Or against Everton when he’d been on the pop the night before? What's that got to do with the price of bacon? The manager has to use his squad whether he signed them or not. We've got players on long extended contracts who we can't or won't get shut of. 3 managers have told us that they aren't responsible or involved in contract negotiations (Hughes, pulis and rowett), we've had players praising previous managers yet at the same time questioning the recruitment process, and now we have a former player saying his new manager didn't make the decision to keep him. Oh...and etebo clearly wasn't a rowett signing and the decision to extend bauer's contract clearly wasn't his either yet he's used both sparingly just as Hughes used pennant sparingly. We also know that Bauer signed without the knowledge of a new manager, that the manager didn't sign badou and that the transfer team, including or excluding Lambert, felt we were ok for strikers in January. If I ever commit murder I hope you are on the jury. Unless the deceased can tell me it was the accused, it wasn't the accused.
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Post by Davef on Aug 25, 2018 10:33:06 GMT
The gospel according to Jermaine. There’s an honest, reliable chap if ever there was one. However you want to dress it up, the noises are getting louder, and what were rumours are starting to gain traction. You may well be playing devils advocate, but the quotes from players at the end of the season, information coming from reliable journalists and now former players suggests that all the so called knicker wetters have been right all along, and the Scholes and (possible) Cartwright are dismantling everything that was good about Stoke City Well if the rumours are as true as the stuff you posted the other day about the club vetting Oatcake articles, then there's absolutely nothing to see.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 25, 2018 10:36:55 GMT
I don’t think it matters when it was written Dave. Did Scholes bring Pennant on at West Ham? Or against Everton when he’d been on the pop the night before? What's that got to do with the price of bacon? The manager has to use his squad whether he signed them or not. We've got players on long extended contracts who we can't or won't get shut of. 3 managers have told us that they aren't responsible or involved in contract negotiations (Hughes, pulis and rowett), we've had players praising previous managers yet at the same time questioning the recruitment process, and now we have a former player saying his new manager didn't make the decision to keep him. Oh...and etebo clearly wasn't a rowett signing and the decision to extend bauer's contract clearly wasn't his either yet he's used both sparingly just as Hughes used pennant sparingly. We also know that Bauer signed without the knowledge of a new manager, that the manager didn't sign badou and that the transfer team, including or excluding Lambert, felt we were ok for strikers in January. If I ever commit murder I hope you are on the jury. Unless the deceased can tell me it was the accused, it wasn't the accused. A manager doesn’t have to use a player he didn’t want at all Dave, no. I call my first witnesses, ‘Triggy’ and ‘Ziggy’. Are managers ever involved in contract negotiations? It always used to be the chairman in the days before CEOs? Of course players are questioning recruitment, we’ve had a succession of shocking windows and were relegated. It’d be odd if they weren’t. That doesn’t mean the manager isn’t signing the players. I don’t doubt Scholes did a lot of the work to get Pennant back. I do doubt that Hughes didn’t want him. He was offered a low risk option on a pay as you play deal at a time when creative options were thin on the ground and he took it. Is it out of the question that it could be as simple as that?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 25, 2018 10:48:08 GMT
Sounds like Jermaine was advised to stick a picture of him and his wife in fancy dress (complete with conspiracy theory about it leading to his leaving the club) to liven up the book. Why would that lead to his sacking - it was hardly first item on the local or national news bulletins, was it?
Are there ANY Stokies who were in the crowd at the Everton game, where he gave away the stupid penalty, who expected Pennant to play for Stoke again? I certainly didn't. He was already a peripheral member of the squad, was performing well below his perfomances a year or so earlier and was coming to the attention of the Police again - after quite a long period of keeping his nose (comparatively) clean off the field. The daft penalty was simply the straw that broke the camel's back.
Sorry Jermiane - you were got rid of because, in football terms, you had become a liability. I notice you didn't exactly have a stellar career after you left us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 10:50:47 GMT
Yes, just like this summer and rowett being told what players are staying and what players he can't use. I think he's been told to use bojan, and he has no clue what to do with him Who has he been told he can’t use? Choupo, wimmer who would have had a chance to play right now and is no worse than the other CB's we have. I think he's been told to use bojan hence his grudging praise and veiled criticism of bojans performances recently. He was told to play Bauer and has rebelled. Signings, you can see some are Rowetts but some are the boards. Etebo was signed by the transfer team with little if sent input from rowett. The comment about hughes rubber-stamping decisions by the board, wanting to keep them onside, rings true. Clearly, there is a muddled and confused approach hence the mess we are in now.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 25, 2018 10:53:20 GMT
What's that got to do with the price of bacon? The manager has to use his squad whether he signed them or not. We've got players on long extended contracts who we can't or won't get shut of. 3 managers have told us that they aren't responsible or involved in contract negotiations (Hughes, pulis and rowett), we've had players praising previous managers yet at the same time questioning the recruitment process, and now we have a former player saying his new manager didn't make the decision to keep him. Oh...and etebo clearly wasn't a rowett signing and the decision to extend bauer's contract clearly wasn't his either yet he's used both sparingly just as Hughes used pennant sparingly. We also know that Bauer signed without the knowledge of a new manager, that the manager didn't sign badou and that the transfer team, including or excluding Lambert, felt we were ok for strikers in January. If I ever commit murder I hope you are on the jury. Unless the deceased can tell me it was the accused, it wasn't the accused. A manager doesn’t have to use a player he didn’t want at all Dave, no. I call my first witnesses, ‘Triggy’ and ‘Ziggy’. Are managers ever involved in contract negotiations? It always used to be the chairman in the days before CEOs? Of course players are questioning recruitment, we’ve had a succession of shocking windows and were relegated. It’d be odd if they weren’t. That doesn’t mean the manager isn’t signing the players. I don’t doubt Scholes did a lot of the work to get Pennant back. I do doubt that Hughes didn’t want him. He was offered a low risk option on a pay as you play deal at a time when creative options were thin on the ground and he took it. Is it out of the question that it could be as simple as that? We are consistently failing to sign the players that the manager wants. Why? Who is responsible? The manager alone isn't responsible for bringing players to the club and offering contract extensions. That much is clear right? Why is it then that only the managers have lost their jobs? Witness no 2 is brek shea. Not wanted by the manager, played by the manager. Witness 3 Jack butland. Not wanted by the manager, played by the manager and sent out on loan by the same manager. The transfer team are clearly heavily involved in transfers, contracts and player recruitment. That role should be filled by a football man not an accountant, a solicitor and the silver spoon son of our our owner. The club is in a sorry mess following a fall from grace that should have been impossible yet those who've overseen it are still involved and remain both faceless and unaccountable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 10:53:48 GMT
It’s all beginning to become clearer as each day passes as to how our club has been and is run. Too many cooks.... cooks or did you mean CROOKS
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