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Post by greyman on Oct 12, 2018 6:12:23 GMT
Well I could spend the rest of my life arguing that I don't agree with your strawmen, whataboutery, false dichotomies and other fallacious arguments, but I'm going to bed. So that gives you a few hours to work out why any of the stuff you're throwing around like confetti proves that Pulis isn't a cunt and a crook. [Hint: it doesn't] Says 'strawmen' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Says 'whataboutery' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Says 'false dichotomies' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Says 'fallacious arguments' means 'Ive been found out and I'm a hypocrite' Night night! Let's ignore all of this and ask a yes or no question. Is Tony Pulis a crook? No need to mention anybody else, call names or say 'look at that squirrel on Mrs Thompson's roof' or any of the usual stuff. Go on. Yes or no.
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 23:00:41 GMT
No. Now you're just making stuff up. We have seen worse performances recently, you are right. But those are about incompetence, not deliberately destabilising the club. Personally, my lowest point watching Stoke was being 3 0 down at half time at home to Chester back in the really dark days. But at least I knew we were just shit, not that the manager was setting out to throw the game. Well one was deliberate wasn't it. The Hughes Chelsea game. If you believe what you believe about 2004ish its impossible to conclude that it wasn't in cahoots with the current chairman and then minority director, golden share holding future chairman of the club on manoeuvres with a close friend. Well I could spend the rest of my life arguing that I don't agree with your strawmen, whataboutery, false dichotomies and other fallacious arguments, but I'm going to bed. So that gives you a few hours to work out why any of the stuff you're throwing around like confetti proves that Pulis isn't a cunt and a crook. [Hint: it doesn't]
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 22:45:29 GMT
Well at least you've now moved on to a false dichotomy. I can criticise Coates for his behaviour at the end of the Icelandic era, but then I also think that it's business and it was time to move on anyway. He's no crook though, unless you know something I don't. As I keep saying Pulis is a proven crook and also becomes a problem at every club he works at. Not in the usual way of losing the plot like Hughes did, but in very toxic and sometimes illegal ways. In two court cases, he's been shown to be a blackmailer and a fraudster. How you can equate that with a boardroom battle is beyond me. So now you are admitting that on the fateful day against Preston (I've seen ten worse gutless surrendering performances in the past 3 years by the way) that cheery, cuddly, lovely, old Peter was sat up in the directors box sat on his golden shares saying 'that's my boy, Tone'? No. Now you're just making stuff up. We have seen worse performances recently, you are right. But those are about incompetence, not deliberately destabilising the club. Personally, my lowest point watching Stoke was being 3 0 down at half time at home to Chester back in the really dark days. But at least I knew we were just shit, not that the manager was setting out to throw the game.
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 22:37:02 GMT
Yeah I can. I don't pay to watch Peter Coates in board meetings. You're just throwing everything you can to deflect from the fact (an actual demonstrable fact) that Pulis is an utter cunt and a crook with zero regard for the people who actually pay his wages. How long before things happen at Middlesbrough to prove it yet again? I'll go for two years. How about you? Don't care how long. Hope he does it soon to be honest because Boro are a vastly better side than us so it would help us in our lame quest for an early bounce back. If you genuinely believe that Pulis was wilfully destabilising the club in 2004, then he had a very able and influential ally in our current chairman. Based on all evidence you simply cannot disassociate the two. So you must believe that Coates is also an utter cunt cunt and a crook with zero regard for fans. It's impossible to have a different view. Well at least you've now moved on to a false dichotomy. I can criticise Coates for his behaviour at the end of the Icelandic era, but then I also think that it's business and it was time to move on anyway. He's no crook though, unless you know something I don't. As I keep saying Pulis is a proven crook and also becomes a problem at every club he works at. Not in the usual way of losing the plot like Hughes did, but in very toxic and sometimes illegal ways. In two court cases, he's been shown to be a blackmailer and a fraudster. How you can equate that with a boardroom battle is beyond me.
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 22:16:00 GMT
I have no idea. And neither do you. I'm happy with my conclusions based on quotes from the time and the 'this club is not for you' fiasco. Coupled with the apologies at the time of his return to the club. They were both in it up to their spuds. You can't hate Pulis without hating Coates for the same reasons. And that's that! Yeah I can. I don't pay to watch Peter Coates in board meetings. You're just throwing everything you can to deflect from the fact (an actual demonstrable fact) that Pulis is an utter cunt and a crook with zero regard for the people who actually pay his wages. How long before things happen at Middlesbrough to prove it yet again? I'll go for two years. How about you?
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 22:03:40 GMT
Pulis wasn't a board member but was deliberately fucking around with the team for his own ends Independently of Peter do you think? I have no idea. And neither do you. By the way, that piece from The Telegraph predicts almost exactly what happened with West Brom after they achieved 40 points surprisingly early in the season. Basically Pulis giving up rather than achieving a high finish. Funny, that.
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 21:55:10 GMT
I don't know where you get this hypocrite thing from. You ask questions and I give you my opinion. It was time for the Icelanders to go. Hughes should have been sacked long before he actually was. I don't like what Coates did at the club, but that's business. Pulis wasn't a board member but was deliberately fucking around with the team for his own ends as he has done everywhere he's been. He's a crook and a bully and always up to something. If he'd done one or two unpalatable things, i'd cut him some slack, but we're way beyond that with him. When do you expect something to happen at Middlesbrough? I'd say sometime within the next two years. Care to bet against it? By the way, here's a good fact filled extended question to ponder: www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/17/do-tony-pulis-teams-decline-dramatically-reaching-40-points/
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 21:25:13 GMT
It's not a zero sum game, as you like to present it. So I don't know which is worse because they're different things. Hughes did it in an attempt to win the next game and it all went off in his face. Rank bad management but all too typical of his poor judgement for a long time. Pulis was deliberately trying to destabilise the club over a period of months. I'd add that when Hughes threw the Chelsea game, at least he took a full bench to make it look even slightly like he cared that people were spending their money to watch the game. Mmmm. A bit selective there. Completely exonerating the Icelanders absenteeism behaviour and Coates collusion with Pulis and defending that pricks disgusting behaviour at the tail end of 2017 on the basis of players he didn't play! You're at it again. Creating strawman arguments so you don't have to address Pulis's behaviour. I've never mentioned the Icelanders. It's clear they had lost interest by then and we needed to move on from that era, but that has literally nothing to do with Pulis being Pulis. He does it wherever he goes. So go on then. Justify why he only took 4 subs for the game against Valencia. If Hughes couldn't even be arsed to take a squad of players to Chelsea that day to stick two fingers up to the supporters and signal loud and clear that he really couldn't give a fuck, I know exactly what you'd be saying about him. Actually, while you're at it, justify him deliberately destabilising the club.
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 21:16:30 GMT
It comes and goes but for different reasons doesn't it? There's definitely a problem with entitlement now so it may not hurt a few people in the crowd to suffer a bit to give them back some perspective. I wonder if it's as bad as the atmosphere and attitude during the binary season. I do remember the numb feeling coming away from the 0 0 home draw with Preston on Boxing Day 2004, just wishing something would change. As it turns out, it was deliberate in spite of the fact that this was the game that Pulis denied he had told the players to sit back. Both sides playing away tactics until Preston belatedly worked out that Stoke weren't trying to win the game. I dunno was that any worse than how Hughes set up in his dying embers? Deliberately, DELIBERATELY losing a game at Chelsea despite having over 100 million quids worth of talent at his disposal? It's not a zero sum game, as you like to present it. So I don't know which is worse because they're different things. Hughes did it in an attempt to win the next game and it all went off in his face. Rank bad management but all too typical of his poor judgement for a long time. Pulis was deliberately trying to destabilise the club over a period of months. I'd add that when Hughes threw the Chelsea game, at least he took a full bench to make it look even slightly like he cared that people were spending their money to watch the game.
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 20:58:53 GMT
It’s what happens when the support “ want a bit more “ mate Called it at the beginning of the premiership that the longer we stayed in it, the higher calibre player the club would go for and the fans demanded would bring its own problems and that’s what we saw I await Brighton etc going the same way Definitely to be expected to a degree but to lose a crowd the way we have is quite some feat. Midweek games no one cares, there's 18000 in at the start and less than 10,000 with ten minutes to go. Saturday games start ok but players gesturing, fans booing and moaning every other phase of play. We all know some of the Pulis years was myth but these past two and half years have been dismal in every regard. The only high point in nigh on three years at home was the crowd response to a defeat at Spurs. Thin, thin gruel indeed. It comes and goes but for different reasons doesn't it? There's definitely a problem with entitlement now so it may not hurt a few people in the crowd to suffer a bit to give them back some perspective. I wonder if it's as bad as the atmosphere and attitude during the binary season. I do remember the numb feeling coming away from the 0 0 home draw with Preston on Boxing Day 2004, just wishing something would change. As it turns out, it was deliberate in spite of the fact that this was the game that Pulis denied he had told the players to sit back. Both sides playing away tactics until Preston belatedly worked out that Stoke weren't trying to win the game.
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 11:29:23 GMT
Why go to Villa ? Doing great at Brentford, making a name for himself and real possibility to get them into Playoffs and possible automatic promotion I know the Big club syndrome etc etc but it really could be another poisoned Chalice GD Especially with a bastard like Terry around. They must think in spite of all the evidence that Terry won't screw Smith over in some way.
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Post by greyman on Oct 11, 2018 10:07:58 GMT
speaks volumes that when kitson grabbed the scissors the other players wrestled him to the ground. if tp was such the bad man the other players wouldn't have stepped in, only one cunt here and it wasn't tp. Do you really think that?
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Post by greyman on Oct 10, 2018 16:32:39 GMT
Absolutely staggering to see people taking issue with Pulis on behalf of Dave Kitson. Pulls put us back on the map. Signed players who actually cared about the club (seems strange doesn’t it). Did and continues to do incredible things for local S-o-T based charities. Fraud is fraud and he’s obviously a bit of a wanker, but he’s a Stoke City legend. Many people are legends for one club and an utter arse at others. Do you think Man Utd fans are rushing to lynch Ronaldo over his tax evasion in Spain? Some of you are coming across as a little pathetic c)
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Post by greyman on Oct 10, 2018 15:38:18 GMT
If Dave Kitson was mental enough to attempt to stab another employee with a pair of scissors for no particular reason he should have been sacked, arrested and charged. Fair play to Pulis on this one. Not only did he not allow this to get into the public domain, he clearly didn’t take it personally and still picked him 22 times the following season. He probably accidentally slipped and on his way from falling over, accidentally grabbed a pair of scissors trying to break his fall and almost stabbed Tone, completely accidental. Then the other players jumped in to make sure he didn't hit the floor.
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Post by greyman on Oct 10, 2018 14:35:05 GMT
That wasn't one of them although you'd previously gone for it. I'll just leave this and see how many get ticked off by the time this thread hits 150 pages. Shouldn't take anywhere near that long. Why do you care so much? What do you think of a former Stoke player attacking him with scissors? Things on my greyman list "He was asking for it".
"Pulis is a cunt".
"What about Palace".
"What about Gillingham".
"James Beattie"
"Lets book a gaylord bus to Denderleeuw to rim a fat man who pissed all over Stoke because he was a spoilt twat"I'll be back at 5 to tick them off You'll only get me on one of them. I'll have the B please Bob. As for Kitson, I've already called him a tosser.
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Post by greyman on Oct 10, 2018 14:23:46 GMT
Surprised Palace haven't had a statue built to Tone rather than running a court case to get his hard earned bonus back, he saved their sorry arses and thanks to him they are still 'larging it' in the Prem to this day! You mean the loyalty bonus he defrauded from them with the story of a made up property deal? You're right. It is amazing they tried to recover a very large sum of money from an employee's fraud. What is the world coming to? More importantly, that's d) crossed off the list.
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Post by greyman on Oct 10, 2018 14:05:57 GMT
While we're on the subject, what did you make of Pulis defrauding millions of pounds from Crystal Palace? I don't think I've asked you. I have a shortlist of four answers that I think you might give. I'd have done the only thing that people like Pulis understand. A pair of scissors to the eyes! That wasn't one of them although you'd previously gone for it. I'll just leave this and see how many get ticked off by the time this thread hits 150 pages. Shouldn't take anywhere near that long.
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Post by greyman on Oct 10, 2018 13:09:25 GMT
I was always reasonably sympathetic towards Kitson but, err, you attacked someone with a pair of scissors? You need medical attention Nah. Tome deserved it... according to the wankstains! It's not a zero sum game. It is possible for two tossers to fall out with each other. In fact, I'd guarantee they will at some point. While we're on the subject, what did you make of Pulis defrauding millions of pounds from Crystal Palace? I don't think I've asked you. I have a shortlist of four answers that I think you might give.
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Post by greyman on Oct 10, 2018 12:03:16 GMT
How does Pulis come out of that particular story badly? Some usual suspects really showing their arses on this thread! He never does though does he and that’s my point I suppose it was James Beatties fault also?...yep of course it was as he was another bad egg apparently To be fair to Pulis, he is probably the unluckiest man in the world when it comes to the people he has to work with. And all that stuff about fraud, assault and blackmail, forget about it. The money was just resting in his account.
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Post by greyman on Oct 6, 2018 14:38:27 GMT
Interesting question. There’s got to be a few born before the First World War. First World War?! Old Stokie can recall fighting the Fuzzy Wuzzies. See my post above. He's like Clive Dunn, playing an old man years before he really was one, the bloody fraud.
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Post by greyman on Oct 6, 2018 10:13:30 GMT
I've known Old Stokie for nearly 20 years. He was already called Old Stokie back then on the original steam Internet but is still only 63. Something not right about it all.
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Post by greyman on Sept 22, 2018 23:54:23 GMT
Bojan is probably the most talented player we have had at the club since Hudson, but he is simply not interested when he takes to the park, he just gives off the vibe that this is the last place on earth he would rather be. 1 of 20+ players that we need to get rid of in the January window - time for a bold new beginning - out with the old and in with the new Keep: Woods, Etebo, Ince, Afobe, Clucas(hopefully decent) Out: Everybody else Whenever I think The Oatcake has plumbed some new depth of absolute and utter fucking stupidity, it's somehow heartening to see I've underestimated it. Well done.
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Post by greyman on Sept 20, 2018 5:58:43 GMT
I think some people on here are almost disappointed we won. I know some people are disappointed.
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Post by greyman on Sept 14, 2018 5:29:07 GMT
Why have they decided to stop the fanzine? Is it because it's too much hassle for little profit these days ? I understand they've made so much money from it, they'll never have to work again and so their motivation has fallen off. I know Smudge finds its hard travelling in from his home in the Caicos Islands to Newcastle Instant Print to sign off each issue. Dave's cocaine habits and whoring have taken their toll.
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Post by greyman on Sept 8, 2018 19:53:09 GMT
It's not me who's touchy :-). Obviously
Raymond van der Gouw and Steve Harper? 800 appearances.
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Post by greyman on Sept 8, 2018 18:37:35 GMT
Bit harsh on Richard Wright. Played 450 professional games. Fuck him. Yeah I know. Those facts getting in the way of your opinion?
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Post by greyman on Sept 8, 2018 10:12:48 GMT
Bit harsh on Richard Wright. Played 450 professional games.
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Post by greyman on Sept 8, 2018 9:55:42 GMT
Decent? I think they're outstanding. Especially that Mart Etherington.
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Post by greyman on Sept 8, 2018 9:52:28 GMT
Struggling to clear Minis now they are much bigger. I could age people by how they respond to this comment
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Post by greyman on Sept 7, 2018 18:34:12 GMT
Where's Duncan McKenzie?
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