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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 12:48:24 GMT
I bet old Dudley would have had a riot in the modern technological era that allows you to reach so many more people - especially with the market presence that the PL days provided. He certainly seems to have been a bundle of marketing energy.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 12:14:48 GMT
Such assessments suggest a bloke who is both wholehearted and has high standards ( he has after all performed at the very highest levels of the game ) but if you ask have I ever walked away from a game thinking Joe Allen caused the team problems or gave anything less than 100% to the cause then no I haven’t. I have however walked away numerous times thinking thank god Joe was there doing what he did to hold things together. I’m not wanting to elevate him to sainthood but I would like to see some respect and appreciation of a player who has represented this club well and with good character. They're two different things. His effort can't be faulted, no argument there. But it frequently hasn't been channelled into a helpful way. We needed someone disciplined to help us keep shape. He hasn't given us that, by and large. The midfield has been a complete wasteland for years. This again just sounds like reputation + trying hard and running around = free pass. Is it fair to transfer the failing of the unit as a whole on to his back? Again I would argue if he hadn’t been in their consistently doing his bit it would have been a damn sight worse. I also think he has more ability than people seem to be giving him credit for - he can play and has demonstrated such with a Stoke and Wales shirt on his back. Alan Hudson he is not , in certain aspects Glen Whelan he is not , but as an overall package with, at times, bugger all support , he has been a very good for us.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 10:56:00 GMT
I’m saying nothing till the Bristol lad tells us it’s ok !!!
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 10:37:24 GMT
In my book his only ‘crime’ is to do his best to cover the inadequacies of those around him. Sorry I can usually see a thread of reason in most views but the belief that Allen has done anything but good things for this club just leave me shaking my head. You disagree with his own assessments of his performances at various times when he acknowledged he wasn't performing well then? His attempts to cover the inadequacies around him have only compounded the problem. If doing that had helped us, great, but it didn't, it just created more gaps and we lost our shape. He's performed better of late with Baker here, it's just a shame we haven't seen those kind of displays more often. Such assessments suggest a bloke who is both wholehearted and has high standards ( he has after all performed at the very highest levels of the game ) but if you ask have I ever walked away from a game thinking Joe Allen caused the team problems or gave anything less than 100% to the cause then no I haven’t. I have however walked away numerous times thinking thank god Joe was there doing what he did to hold things together. I’m not wanting to elevate him to sainthood but I would like to see some respect and appreciation of a player who has represented this club well and with good character.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 9:28:32 GMT
Every one of them over the years. As for Jan who says either party even were considering the possibility of a move them. I bet the club weren’t. It’s typical of things that people want simple answers to complex issues and in this case it’s ‘results bad over last few years must equal player who has been around longest’ . The possibility they may have been even worse without his efforts doesn’t equate. As far as I’m concerned calling out Joe Allen is the worse case of ‘Bayernism’ this message board has suffered for years - and there’s been a few. If he goes he can hold his head high - I wouldn’t even mind , not because I think we can and will do better, but because I think it will probably be a refreshing change for him. Come off it, if the club had the chance to get him off the wage bill in January and he had the chance to play for a team higher up the pyramid, both would have jumped at the chance. Sorry it isn't to do at all with 'results bad, Allen has been here since then, 2+2 = 5', it's that his own performances frequently haven't been up to snuff. Midfield has been an absolute wasteland since Whelan's legs went. Allen for the most part hasn't helped that. The headless chicken act, the losing runners, the fact that you could frequently have driven a bus through our midfield, he has been a significant contributor to those issues. He's admitted himself he's had spells where he really hasn't been performing. In my book his only ‘crime’ is to do his best to cover the inadequacies of those around him. Sorry I can usually see a thread of reason in most views but the belief that Allen has done anything but good things for this club just leave me shaking my head.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 9:16:33 GMT
Well if that’s the way you see it in your world fine. Shame to knock a committed club player in that way even if you don’t appreciate his talent. I'm exceptionally comfortable with my views thank you and I won't apologise for thinking he's a total waste of space. He's played the best football in the last 5 or so games and still produced shit results we simply won't miss him. Like I say if that’s what your eyes tell you that’s ok - apologies neither expected or required. How you come to that conclusion baffles me but there we go - still might expect at least a little bit of respect for his undoubted efforts. You will never have seen the bloke quit in his efforts for the team.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 8:49:24 GMT
Watch the queue of championship clubs form if he does decide to go ! He’s rated because of the way he has performed against those sides. How many of our other players would merit that ? Not enough is the simple answer. Half of that queue will think they owe him gratitude for those games he played against them 😂 Well if that’s the way you see it in your world fine. Shame to knock a committed club player in that way even if you don’t appreciate his talent.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 8:48:15 GMT
Watch the queue of championship clubs form if he does decide to go ! He’s rated because of the way he has performed against those sides. How many of our other players would merit that ? Not enough is the simple answer. Yeah? How big was the queue in January? By how he's performed against which sides? Every one of them over the years. As for Jan who says either party even were considering the possibility of a move them. I bet the club weren’t. It’s typical of things that people want simple answers to complex issues and in this case it’s ‘results bad over last few years must equal player who has been around longest’ . The possibility they may have been even worse without his efforts doesn’t equate. As far as I’m concerned calling out Joe Allen is the worse case of ‘Bayernism’ this message board has suffered for years - and there’s been a few. If he goes he can hold his head high - I wouldn’t even mind , not because I think we can and will do better, but because I think it will probably be a refreshing change for him.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 8:36:19 GMT
Well I’m prepared to stagger you. Might not be head and shoulders but he is certainly one of our better players and it will be a retrograde step if and when he does go. Mind you it’s not untypical of the way things are that people can watch what we’ve produced and come to conclusion that Joe Allen is the source of our problems - confused thinking everywhere seems to typify the state of play. I didn't say it was staggering if people thought Joe Allen wasn't a terrible player or wasn't the source of all our problems though did I? Watch the queue of championship clubs form if he does decide to go ! He’s rated because of the way he has performed against those sides. How many of our other players would merit that ? Not enough is the simple answer.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 8:32:20 GMT
Get rid the bloke has been an absolute Jonah for our club. Just got to break that link. Well if you are going to equate club results to the time players have been here there won’t be many players left when we have got rid of all the ‘jonahs’ . For what it’s worth things would probably have been even worse if he hadn’t spent a good few seasons doing the work of two men in the middle of the park.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 8:10:47 GMT
Staggering to think anyone could've watched us for the last five years and come to the conclusion that Joe Allen is 'head and shoulders our best player'. Well I’m prepared to stagger you. Might not be head and shoulders but he is certainly one of our better players and it will be a retrograde step if and when he does go. Mind you it’s not untypical of the way things are that people can watch what we’ve produced and come to conclusion that Joe Allen is the source of our problems - confused thinking everywhere seems to typify the state of play.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 12, 2022 16:59:48 GMT
The match thread is full of some of the most dreadful crap I’ve read in many a year. It’s all O’Neills and Chester’s fault - in fact neither did much wrong and as per normal at the minute we’ve come out on the wrong end of the breaks.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 10, 2022 20:16:59 GMT
My thoughts are that this bloke seriously needs to get a life ! He must be a riot at parties.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 10, 2022 16:52:12 GMT
To be honest in all the time he’s been here now I’ve yet to really form an opinion of Thompson. He’s just here.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 10, 2022 16:49:43 GMT
There is a stand put aside at Chelsea for celebrities and members of the cabinet - I think they will be well ‘looked after’.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 10, 2022 16:42:32 GMT
Offer him what we can afford , if he’s up for it fine , if he thinks he can do better elsewhere equally fine. We shouldn’t be breaking the bank and frankly his bargaining position after this season isn’t the strongest. Hopefully both parties will come to a sensible agreement and next season he might prove to be more of an asset than he has this.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 10, 2022 11:56:19 GMT
Bearing in mind the quiet majority (ie. those who don’t spend their time blathering on social media) are often more conservative (with a small c) I would say that poll shows that plenty of people still have faith in the management team and certainly don’t want to start from scratch yet again. Anyway I’m sure the owners aren’t even close to calling it quits with the MON regime.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 9, 2022 17:27:15 GMT
Let’s face it things started badly in 1888 and we’ve never really recovered !!
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Post by wuzza on Mar 9, 2022 17:17:57 GMT
For goodness sake he didn’t look any better or worse than anyone else last night. This constant sniping at certain players is becoming pitiful.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 9, 2022 17:08:10 GMT
Great job Ange , important that Denys, his family and compatriots know they are upmost in everyone’s thoughts.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 8, 2022 22:33:20 GMT
His post match interview clearly explained the task he has had to manage with regard salary reduction etc. He deserves an opportunity to take things on now. I’m confident the owners won’t be swayed.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 8, 2022 19:13:17 GMT
He simply isn’t a player you build a side around.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 8, 2022 16:45:25 GMT
As Nick Hancock said in a podcast not so long ago I feel vaguely inconvenienced these days having to watch (never mind attend) a game - not a good sign 🙂 However I expect an improved performance ........followed by a late Barnsley goal to screw up another evening.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 8, 2022 16:26:26 GMT
Whilst attendances might not be great (and I admit I have zero knowledge of or interest in women’s football) it does seem utterly bizarre that a club , supposedly awash with money it can’t spend on the men’s team, doesn’t see this as a great opportunity to invest in the community and produce an outstanding set up to represent both the club and the city. At the very least it would paint an image of a progressive organisation.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 6, 2022 14:54:22 GMT
There must be a title we can claim here - ‘least successful club in the world relative to owners wealth’ ! We do excel at being shit 160 years of practice - we should be good at it !
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Post by wuzza on Mar 6, 2022 13:06:01 GMT
Said it all season that we aren’t good enough to walk the walk that our tactics suggest we are trying to achieve.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 6, 2022 12:54:35 GMT
Not the most surprising stat I’ve ever read. The club in general has the atmosphere it had for all those years (decades even) prior to TP’s golden years. (which is remarkable considering we are now backed by billionaires - it could only happen here 😏) How many times has the club been genuine promotion candidates at this level under the Coates Family? The promotion season under Pulis, the season before when we flirted with the play offs and the mid 90s when we reached the play offs against the odds with Lou are the only ones I recall. Other than that we're usually midtable fodder (or worse, fighting relegation). There must be a title we can claim here - ‘least successful club in the world relative to owners wealth’ !
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Post by wuzza on Mar 6, 2022 12:32:50 GMT
Not the most surprising stat I’ve ever read. The club in general has the atmosphere it had for all those years (decades even) prior to TP’s golden years. (which is remarkable considering we are now backed by billionaires - it could only happen here 😏)
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Post by wuzza on Mar 6, 2022 11:01:41 GMT
Think we need to see more of Thompson DWP Forrester They need the game time now before next season I think this is true. It will only happen if the management team are given assurances about actually being here to reap the benefit though.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 5, 2022 23:46:38 GMT
I am exceptionally happy for some of our players to get the picture that they are performing in a mediocre manner (if that good) in a mediocre league. Even more so I would be happy if one or two took a step back and thought what impact their current levels of effort might have on their earning potential once SCFC quite rightly lets them walk. As usual everything is being fired at the manager but some of this lot (MON signings and others) are just feeble and not half as ‘talented’ as people keep telling us they are.
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