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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 11, 2024 12:47:37 GMT
It seems that not everybody is happy ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 11, 2024 12:31:10 GMT
There was a few things that made me think this was bigger than your normal 'royal' story ...
1. Is this a perfect example of how (due to advances in technology) we can no longer trust what we see and that we now have to be far more vigilant when we are presented with images and recordings? If it wasn't for some shoddy work, they would have got away with it.
2. Why were British press agencies so easily fooled or were they themselves complicit in the ruze? Bizarre that the picture had to go outside of the UK before anybody apparently noticed.
3. If the Royal Family themselves can so easily lie to the British public, then just who else would be prepared to do so? The public's trust in the establishment is at an all time low, this episode is surely going to create another dent in that trust and further the belief that there's nothing wrong in lying.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 11, 2024 2:09:38 GMT
Very brave speech from Glazer, sadly that will be his first and last Oscar award ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 11, 2024 0:26:14 GMT
This whole Kate in hospital thing has been a bizarre strange episode. It all says something about something but I'm not sure what about what.
I was vaguely aware that she had been in hospital but didn't realise until this evening, that a litany of conspiracy theories have developed over recent weeks because she hasn't been seen since Christmas and the release of this picture today, was supposed to put the conspiracy theories to bed.
Well good luck with that one now!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2024 23:51:25 GMT
I'll say from the outset, that as a republican, I have absolutely zero interest in the Royal Family and I'm pretty certain that I've never posted on any of the associated threads.
However ... this story is absolutely bonkers and if it's true, it raises so many questions on so many levels and could potentially be an absolutely huge story.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2024 21:13:22 GMT
I dont disagree however if she comes back here she will not be rotting in a cell, she would 99.9% be living a normal life spreading her evil under supposed watch from a completely under-resourced service. We’d have also let down the brave people guarding these ISIS lot who just about keep them in and effectively is being used by us and the US no doubt as the next germ bank for whenever they want another version of ISIS to raise its head. So yes its our problem - this country is broken, so we need to change up and the state just eject these people from our shores. Right now, they are used as pawns in a game to influence us all. If, as the lefties fancy it, she comes back then it will be the last time I take any notice whatsoever of this countries priorities to put this country first. She needs drowning in her own vomit
If we refuse to take her back, then why should other nations take back their nationals from us, or are you saying that we should have to be responsible for other countries' dog shit?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2024 20:58:17 GMT
Don't we as a nation have an international obligation to take her back? She was born here, educated here and radicalised here, why should she become Syria's problem, they didn't invite her? What I mean is, imagine if the boot was on the other foot? What if she had been born in Syria and she was here? There would be tabloid headlines every day, demanding that we send her back, why should she become OUR problem? I dont disagree however if she comes back here she will not be rotting in a cell, she would 99.9% be living a normal life spreading her evil under supposed watch from a completely under-resourced service. We’d have also let down the brave people guarding these ISIS lot who just about keep them in and effectively is being used by us and the US no doubt as the next germ bank for whenever they want another version of ISIS to raise its head. So yes its our problem - this country is broken, so we need to change up and the state just eject these people from our shores. Right now, they are used as pawns in a game to influence us all.
So if you don't disagree, you too believe that we have international obligation to take her back?
Eject which people and to where, Begum was born in Britain?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2024 18:20:50 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2024 18:10:34 GMT
Not only morally bankrupt but financially bankrupt now too ... He absolutely isn’t. He just wants his moronic supporters to pay the legal fees he incurred for raping someone and defaming her. You can guarantee he’ll raise a good proportion of it because you know - they are coming after you, not him. Times are tough, so don’t feed your kids guys, pay for a rapist. Oh absolutely ... while he continues to live in Mar-A-Largo, he's going to hoodwink MAGA's living in trailer parks all over the country, into handing over most of their welfare cheques! A true man of the people ... 🤦♂️
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2024 18:02:39 GMT
"As far as I am concerned the Tory party is rotten to the core. We need new Conservative values, and Boris is the person to deliver that." What an absolute weapon! 🤦♂️🤭
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2024 15:27:49 GMT
Not only morally bankrupt but financially bankrupt now too ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2024 14:39:16 GMT
It depends if you're talking in a general sense or specifically about this conflict. You're not seriously suggesting that you would be happy to see British and French troops fighting in Ukraine acting independently of Nato? No I wouldn’t. But I did say a European Army aligned to NATO. Yes specifically about this conflict, a European Army which would draw in non-nato European countries. I don't understand your reply Lawrie. If you don't want to see British and French troops on the ground in Ukraine, then why are you criticising people questioning Macron? This bloke is on the money ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2024 14:36:32 GMT
That John McGinn tackle was outrageous, it was like something you would see in Sunday league.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2024 14:30:58 GMT
Have you lot really got nothing better to do? I think we have a Paul Spencer / Wannabee axis mercilously targetting Oggy. It's not a case of targeting him, if that was the case, he'd be followed on to other threads and be hounded. Rather, on this particular subject, we both think that the posts that Oggy is making, are inaccurate and misleading. And we're not acting in tandem, I know if wannabee wasn't posting on this thread, I would still be making exactly the same points to Oggy and I'm sure wannabee would be doing the same if I wasn't.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2024 14:19:15 GMT
Wrong type of Jews ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2024 14:18:20 GMT
That is absolutely brilliant! Completely on the money.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2024 14:04:46 GMT
It makes complete sense to me that Europe should be able to defend itself without the help of the US. We shouldn't be in a situation where Europe is at the mercy of American politicians. I don't however envisage a situation where Putin would attack a Nato country - they've struggled in Ukraine so how exactly are they going to make any progress when air assets can be brought fully to bear? - Unless you think that Nato wouldn't respond which seems even more unlikely to me as it'd weaken every country involved in the alliance. Exactly mate and you have to ask why are people dissing Macron's speech? A fully fledged European Army aligned to NATO that was being proposed few years ago, but pooh-poohed by many, now makes more sense. It depends if you're talking in a general sense or specifically about this conflict. You're not seriously suggesting that you would be happy to see British and French troops fighting in Ukraine acting independently of Nato?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2024 4:41:01 GMT
Blimey Oggy, you are doing it yet again and if you can't be bothered to do a little research because you (mistakenly) believe that your own logic will see you through instead, when both wannabee and myself have attempted to give you a steer in the right direction, so that you can actually learn a little bit about the history of apartheid, then unfortunately, you are destined to continue embarrassing yourself. I don't know why but I decided to do the research I suggested, on your behalf and it's incredible just how easy and quickly it was to do. The Afrikana Nationalists attempted to force their language onto the black South African youth, it was the very definition of an apartheid action. If they could force the children of South Africa to speak the language of their choosing, ultimately resulting in it becoming the national language, then it would (they believed) further increase their hold on apartheid power. Forcing the black South Africans to speak their language, was another tool of their oppression. No doubt you will now try and use obfuscation and a moving of the goal posts once again but we can but try. Some links ... southafrica-info.com/history/16-june-1976-soweto-students-uprising-as-it-happened/By 1976 young black people’s frustration with their education, and the bleak future it offered, was ready to explode. The fuse was lit when the government proposed to introduce Afrikaans as the language of teaching. Black South Africans spoke their own languages. These had already been ignored in their education. English had long been the medium of instruction – their second language – and was a language most urban young black people were at least familiar with. But almost none of them knew Afrikaans well enough to be taught in it, let alone write exams in the language. Afrikaans was also the language of the oppressor. Today most of the people who speak Afrikaans aren’t white, but in the 1970s the language was still associated with Afrikaner nationalism, the ideology of the National Party, the nationalism of white Afrikaans-speaking people. www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/soweto-uprising/High school student-led protests in South Africa began on the morning of June 16, 1976 in response to the introduction of Afrikaans as the medium of instruction in local schools. Known as the Soweto uprising, an estimated 20,000 students took part in the protests. The police fired teargas and live ammunition on demonstrating students. The official count is that 176 protesters were killed, but actual estimates are much higher. We recommend reading the detailed description at South Africa History Online www.sahistory.org.za/article/june-16-soweto-youth-uprisingThe June 16 1976 Uprising that began in Soweto and spread countrywide profoundly changed the socio-political landscape in South Africa. Events that triggered the uprising can be traced back to policies of the Apartheid government that resulted in the introduction of the Bantu Education Act in 1953. When the language of Afrikaans alongside English was made compulsory as a medium of instruction in schools in 1974, black students began mobilizing themselves. The aftermath of the events of June 16 1976 had dire consequences for the Apartheid government. www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheidA regime that uses laws, practices and organized violence to cement the supremacy of one group over another is an apartheid regime. Israeli apartheid, which promotes the supremacy of Jews over Palestinians, was not born in one day or of a single speech. It is a process that has gradually grown more institutionalized and explicit, with mechanisms introduced over time in law and practice to promote Jewish supremacy. The Nation State basic law, enacted in 2018, enshrines the Jewish people’s right to self-determination to the exclusion of all others. It establishes that distinguishing Jews in Israel (and throughout the world) from non-Jews is fundamental and legitimate. Based on this distinction, the law permits institutionalized discrimination in favor of Jews in settlement, housing, land development, citizenship, language and culture. www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracyFor 70 years, both Hebrew and Arabic were designated as official languages in Israel. This new law has just changed that. Arabic is widely spoken by Palestinians in Israel, as well as by some Jewish Israelis with roots in Arab countries. Arabic’s “special status” under the new law ensures that some things, like road signs, will remain in both languages. But Arab Israelis say that stripping Arabic of its official status is meant to erase their identities and histories. They also say it will put them at an economic disadvantage, because Hebrew is often not taught well in schools in Arab Israeli communities. And finally, if you read the following article, and still can't hold your hands up and accept that maybe the above statement that you made might need reevaluating a little, then maybe we need to reevaluate who the actual 'idiot' is? I haven't quoted any of it because every line in it, is actually as succinct as the next ... mondoweiss.net/2020/04/hebrew-arab-and-apartheid/As you say Paul it's quite bizarre that even if someone is not acquainted with historical facts it's very easy to become so with simple research rather than relying on own opinion The fact that Israel Basic Law No 2 is merely a cog of an overall policy is incidental There are countless examples outside of South Africa's Apartheid Regime where Colonisers have partially used Language as a means to control Social Order and Mores. In British History a classic example was how a relatively few, in comparison to the overall population, by a Private Company, Socially Engineered control, for a period of time, over a vast population Simple Demographic's dictate that no matter how much you slice and dice the territory that is Palestine over a relatively short time and even now a Palestinian Majority will prevail population wise. This is despite the expulsion of millions to Refugee Camps in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon and holding further millions in Gaza in Open Prison albeit currently under extermination and further millions in the occupied territories squeezed into smaller and smaller land masses. In comparison the Language Law is a mere futile attempt to hold back the tide of an oppressed population, like the little boy sticking his finger in the Dyke. How ironic that the fictional story and an actual story of Hundreds of Jews being sheltered by the local people be centered in the Dutch Town of Haarlem Will Mankind ever learn humanity to man.
Exactly, if (to demonstrate the point only) the Welsh had the power (you know loads of big guns and fuck off armies and shit) to dictate to the English, that all children of a school age were now to be taught via the Welsh language only, then how anybody could describe that as not being a form of apartheid, I have absolutely no idea.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 10, 2024 0:42:08 GMT
This a truly bizarre logic Oggy because apartheid isn't about one singular element, it is made up of many elements. Claiming that if apartheid remains intact after one of those elements has been removed, is the logic of a child. It's like suggesting, that if apartheid still exists after passing a law allowing Palestinians the right to drive on the same roads as Israelis, then this too, would prove that that law wasn't a part of apartheid either. A complete nonsense. With the greatest of respect Oggy, I think due to your extremely limited knowledge of the subject in hand, you have repeatedly embarrassed yourself throughout this thread, as you have believed, that by using your own logic, in combination with a fair deal of obfuscation, would mean that you could somehow bluff your way through it and that a proper understanding of the substance of the discussion would not be necessary.
And now you're doing it again. The Soweto Uprising in South Africa was one of the most important moments in the struggle against South African apartheid. Please go and read up on the principal causes of the uprising and you will quickly realise, that this present exchange that you are currently having with wannabee, is making you look like a bit of a numpty. I do apologise if you find my tone condescending and/or patronising (it probably is) but I genuinely don't mean to be insulting.
So you do understand that I am not questioning the fact that there is an apartheid in Israel? Because you and wannabee seem to be thinking that I don’t agree that is going on. In my opinion, and of course you and wannabee think otherwise, that just because Hebrew is the national language in Israel, that is not evidence of an apartheid. I would say the treatment of Arabs in the country is evidence of apartheid. National languages are normal. They are common. They are not evidence of apartheid. I cannot understand how that opinion is controversial in any way, shape or form. If Israel treated Palestinians fairly and always had done, Hebrew would still be their national language. It wouldn’t be an issue. Your patronising post completely misses the point. We are only arguing about whether or not having a national language is evidence for of apartheid. You and wannabee think it does. I don’t. Blimey Oggy, you are doing it yet again and if you can't be bothered to do a little research because you (mistakenly) believe that your own logic will see you through instead, when both wannabee and myself have attempted to give you a steer in the right direction, so that you can actually learn a little bit about the history of apartheid, then unfortunately, you are destined to continue embarrassing yourself. I don't know why but I decided to do the research I suggested, on your behalf and it's incredible just how easy and quickly it was to do. The Afrikana Nationalists attempted to force their language onto the black South African youth, it was the very definition of an apartheid action. If they could force the children of South Africa to speak the language of their choosing, ultimately resulting in it becoming the national language, then it would (they believed) further increase their hold on apartheid power. Forcing the black South Africans to speak their language, was another tool of their oppression. No doubt you will now try and use obfuscation and a moving of the goal posts once again but we can but try. Some links ... southafrica-info.com/history/16-june-1976-soweto-students-uprising-as-it-happened/By 1976 young black people’s frustration with their education, and the bleak future it offered, was ready to explode. The fuse was lit when the government proposed to introduce Afrikaans as the language of teaching. Black South Africans spoke their own languages. These had already been ignored in their education. English had long been the medium of instruction – their second language – and was a language most urban young black people were at least familiar with. But almost none of them knew Afrikaans well enough to be taught in it, let alone write exams in the language. Afrikaans was also the language of the oppressor. Today most of the people who speak Afrikaans aren’t white, but in the 1970s the language was still associated with Afrikaner nationalism, the ideology of the National Party, the nationalism of white Afrikaans-speaking people. www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/soweto-uprising/High school student-led protests in South Africa began on the morning of June 16, 1976 in response to the introduction of Afrikaans as the medium of instruction in local schools. Known as the Soweto uprising, an estimated 20,000 students took part in the protests. The police fired teargas and live ammunition on demonstrating students. The official count is that 176 protesters were killed, but actual estimates are much higher. We recommend reading the detailed description at South Africa History Online www.sahistory.org.za/article/june-16-soweto-youth-uprisingThe June 16 1976 Uprising that began in Soweto and spread countrywide profoundly changed the socio-political landscape in South Africa. Events that triggered the uprising can be traced back to policies of the Apartheid government that resulted in the introduction of the Bantu Education Act in 1953. When the language of Afrikaans alongside English was made compulsory as a medium of instruction in schools in 1974, black students began mobilizing themselves. The aftermath of the events of June 16 1976 had dire consequences for the Apartheid government. www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheidA regime that uses laws, practices and organized violence to cement the supremacy of one group over another is an apartheid regime. Israeli apartheid, which promotes the supremacy of Jews over Palestinians, was not born in one day or of a single speech. It is a process that has gradually grown more institutionalized and explicit, with mechanisms introduced over time in law and practice to promote Jewish supremacy. The Nation State basic law, enacted in 2018, enshrines the Jewish people’s right to self-determination to the exclusion of all others. It establishes that distinguishing Jews in Israel (and throughout the world) from non-Jews is fundamental and legitimate. Based on this distinction, the law permits institutionalized discrimination in favor of Jews in settlement, housing, land development, citizenship, language and culture. www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-nation-state-law-bill-explained-apartheid-netanyahu-democracyFor 70 years, both Hebrew and Arabic were designated as official languages in Israel. This new law has just changed that. Arabic is widely spoken by Palestinians in Israel, as well as by some Jewish Israelis with roots in Arab countries. Arabic’s “special status” under the new law ensures that some things, like road signs, will remain in both languages. But Arab Israelis say that stripping Arabic of its official status is meant to erase their identities and histories. They also say it will put them at an economic disadvantage, because Hebrew is often not taught well in schools in Arab Israeli communities. If you want to be informed you can read their explanation why it is a part of controlling Palestinians in all areas under Israeli Control www.btselem.org/about_btselemI am sorry but anyone who says passing a law that puts one language above another in their country (creating a national language for public discourse) creates an apartheid is an idiot. And finally, if you read the following article, and still can't hold your hands up and accept that maybe the above statement that you made might need reevaluating a little, then maybe we need to reevaluate who the actual 'idiot' is? I haven't quoted any of it because every line in it, is actually as succinct as the next ... mondoweiss.net/2020/04/hebrew-arab-and-apartheid/
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 9, 2024 23:57:27 GMT
Is evil learned or can you actually be born evil?
He can't be more than 30-36 months!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 9, 2024 22:52:30 GMT
What is Macron's agenda here? He knows that the US aren't interested in escalating it, so what is it that he's actually advocating Europe should do? And why is he bringing up Putin mentioning nuclear weapons, so what if he is, what is he suggesting we do about it?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 9, 2024 22:25:59 GMT
Ah thanks folks. He’ll be chuffed when he sees some people have liked it in the morning. Let’s hope he’s vlogging about staying up and then next year, who knows. We are Stoke. Thanks all 🔴⚪️🏺👍🏻 You do realise that you now have to take him and his brother to all the remaining away games, or it will be your fault if we fail to stay up! 😉
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 9, 2024 21:56:56 GMT
Evening all, quick favour if possible. First time my boys have had season tickets this year and it’s been hard going. Been to 7 games and seen 7 losses and incredibly only two Stoke goals. First away day with them today and what a day it was. My 9 year old always does a little vlog. I have no idea how he does it or how it appears on YouTube but it does. No one ever likes it or whatever so if anyone who has a YouTube account could go on and like it that would be ace. Get in Stoke! Best away day in years! Onwards and upwards!
Liked and subscribed mate.
Ask him to consider turning his comments on, I'm sure he will get lots of positive reactions ... really professional for such a young age.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 9, 2024 21:22:48 GMT
Does anyone know if there is any movement whatsoever to prosecute anyone? Separate from the issue of compensation. Pretty certain that I've never posted a tweet from Kelvin MacKenzie before but it looks like they can't be far away BJR ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 9, 2024 20:50:40 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 9, 2024 20:26:15 GMT
I guess this will probably be taken down before long ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 9, 2024 18:26:58 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 9, 2024 18:21:04 GMT
Is Burger suspended now?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 9, 2024 17:41:40 GMT
One thing you can never criticise him for is a lack of effort.
Never leaves anything on the pitch.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 9, 2024 17:32:51 GMT
If its alright by you I'm prepared to take the lived experience of the 3 Founders of the Jerusalem based Non-Profit Organisation B'Tselem over your opinion Zehava Galon Member of Israeli Knesset and President of the research institute ZULAT for Equality and Human Rights and former leader of Meretz Israeli Political Party Avigdor Feldman Civil and Human Rights lawyer and the son of two Holocaust Survivors. Founder of the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) as well as a founding member of B'Tselem In 1991 Feldman received the Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights Award. An annual award given to an individual whose courageous activism is at the heart of the human rights movement and in the spirit of Robert F. Kennedy's vision and legacy. David "Dedi" Zucker an Israeli peace activist and former politician who served for 13 years as a member of the Knesset for Ratz and Meretz (Israeli Political Party's) I guarantee that if Israel passed a law today saying Hebrew is no longer the national language then the apartheid in Israel would remain. Do you think there is an apartheid here because we have a national language and have for many centuries?
This a truly bizarre logic Oggy because apartheid isn't about one singular element, it is made up of many elements. Claiming that if apartheid remains intact after one of those elements has been removed, somehow then proves that the said element wasnt contributing to apartheid, is the logic of a child. It's like suggesting, that if apartheid still exists after passing a law allowing Palestinians the right to drive on the same roads as Israelis, then this too, would prove that that law wasn't a part of apartheid either. A complete nonsense.
With the greatest of respect Oggy, I think due to your extremely limited knowledge of the subject in hand, you have repeatedly embarrassed yourself throughout this thread, as you have believed, that by using your own logic, in combination with a fair deal of obfuscation, would mean that you could somehow bluff your way through it and that a proper understanding of the substance of the discussion would not be necessary.
And now you're doing it again.
The Soweto Uprising in South Africa was one of the most important moments in the struggle against South African apartheid. Please go and read up on the principal causes of the uprising and you will quickly realise, that this present exchange that you are currently having with wannabee, is making you look like a bit of a numpty.
I do apologise if you find my tone condescending and/or patronising (it probably is) but I genuinely don't mean to be insulting.
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