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Post by LGH87 on Oct 28, 2024 14:25:52 GMT
Well fuck me it didn't take long to get to this point again did it?? Whilst I am praying for a massive turnaround, it does start to look like sacking Shuey for Pelach was a huge dropping of the testicle variety. 3000 sheepshaggers giving it large on Satdee at 2 o'clock will probably do it for most. At least we can go pub all day. The beauty of a 12.30 kick off is it doesn't impact your whole day, still plenty of time to do something productive after, be that getting absolutely shit faced before Strictly even starts or doing something with the family  |
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Post by josefr on Oct 28, 2024 14:39:20 GMT
Well fuck me it didn't take long to get to this point again did it?? Whilst I am praying for a massive turnaround, it does start to look like sacking Shuey for Pelach was a huge dropping of the testicle variety. 3000 sheepshaggers giving it large on Satdee at 2 o'clock will probably do it for most. At least we can go pub all day. The beauty of a 12.30 kick off is it doesn't impact your whole day, still plenty of time to do something productive after, be that getting absolutely shit faced before Strictly even starts or doing something with the family Why don't do both? |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 28, 2024 14:52:52 GMT
The beauty of a 12.30 kick off is it doesn't impact your whole day, still plenty of time to do something productive after, be that getting absolutely shit faced before Strictly even starts or doing something with the family Why don't do both? Fair point well made. |
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Post by Gods on Oct 28, 2024 15:19:11 GMT
I don't think they will. It's not like there is some benevolent buyer waiting in the wings is it? 'Loss making football club, down on its luck, in a 2-club town which time has forgotten, seeks new owners to throw good money after bad.' It's not happening any time soon. Hope you don't work in sales! HaHa!I don't think they are about to put me in charge of the sale of the club are they?! |
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Post by sportsman on Oct 28, 2024 15:37:00 GMT
Don’t judge the stadium by about 30 people on the oatcake. The vast majority would not want the Coates to go at all so get that out of your heads for start.
The new manager and Walters need time to get to where they have planned. Results help that time massively and I just hope they get some to give him his chance to do what he wants and needs to do
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 28, 2024 15:38:33 GMT
Don’t judge the stadium by about 30 people on the oatcake. The vast majority would not want the Coates to go at all so get that out of your heads for start. The new manager and Walters need time to get to where they have planned. Results help that time massively and I just hope they get some to give him his chance to do what he wants and needs to do If we're in the relegation zone come December then they'll both be gone. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 28, 2024 15:42:40 GMT
Don’t judge the stadium by about 30 people on the oatcake. The vast majority would not want the Coates to go at all so get that out of your heads for start. The new manager and Walters need time to get to where they have planned. Results help that time massively and I just hope they get some to give him his chance to do what he wants and needs to do If we're in the relegation zone come December then they'll both be gone. I have to agree with regards to Pelach. However, I'm not so confident about Walters. Sacking Walters will highlight a huge fuck up in terms of John's ability to run the club. |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 28, 2024 15:44:12 GMT
If we're in the relegation zone come December then they'll both be gone. I have to agree with regards to Pelach. However, I'm not so confident about Walters. Sacking Walters will highlight a huge fuck up in terms of John's ability to run the club. If Pelach is sacked after 3 months then surely the bloke that took the risk on him will have to follow. We can't trust him to make another appointment. |
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Post by kustokie on Oct 28, 2024 15:55:30 GMT
Don’t judge the stadium by about 30 people on the oatcake. The vast majority would not want the Coates to go at all so get that out of your heads for start. The new manager and Walters need time to get to where they have planned. Results help that time massively and I just hope they get some to give him his chance to do what he wants and needs to do If we're in the relegation zone come December then they'll both be gone. Then we’ll be stuck with John Coates who doesn’t seem to know his arse from a hole in the ground. |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 28, 2024 15:57:34 GMT
If we're in the relegation zone come December then they'll both be gone. Then we’ll be stuck with John Coates who doesn’t seem to know his arse from a hole in the ground. In true John Coates fashion he'll go back to an old style manager system where they run the club from top to bottom. A Moyes/Pulis/Allardyce type. It's the way he operates, when one thing doesn't work just throw it in the bin and spend millions on another system and hope it will work. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 28, 2024 15:57:45 GMT
I have to agree with regards to Pelach. However, I'm not so confident about Walters. Sacking Walters will highlight a huge fuck up in terms of John's ability to run the club. If Pelach is sacked after 3 months then surely the bloke that took the risk on him will have to follow. We can't trust him to make another appointment. Yes, I agree but I still don't think it will happen mate. However it's important to remember that John hired Walters, so also has to be held accountable. If he sacked both, it would highlight his incompetence. |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 28, 2024 16:05:33 GMT
If Pelach is sacked after 3 months then surely the bloke that took the risk on him will have to follow. We can't trust him to make another appointment. Yes, I agree but I still don't think it will happen mate. However it's important to remember that John hired Walters, so also has to be held accountable. If he sacked both, it would highlight his incompetence. He also sacked your cousin about 6 weeks after naming him as 1 of 2 reasons to be hopeful about the future mate, he makes a habit of highlighting his incompetence. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 28, 2024 16:18:17 GMT
Don’t judge the stadium by about 30 people on the oatcake. The vast majority would not want the Coates to go at all so get that out of your heads for start. The new manager and Walters need time to get to where they have planned. Results help that time massively and I just hope they get some to give him his chance to do what he wants and needs to do If we're in the relegation zone come December then they'll both be gone. There’s no if about it December is a truly horrible month fiixture wise as ive said before the fixture calendar evens out for us in Nov and Dec and we will be miles off the 20+ points to be out of the bottom three , the question isn’t will be thee its a 2 parter how far adrift and how will the owner react |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 28, 2024 16:20:10 GMT
I get all that, it's just not a must win. If we played well and came away with a 1-1 draw it wouldn't be season defining. No, it won't define the season but massively important for the team's confidence and may relieve a bit of pressure on Pelach. I can't see us getting more than 3 points against Blackburn and Millwall, and don't want dragging into a relegation battle. We are unequivocally in a relegation battle and the sooner everyone realises oit the better the very slight chance we have of winning it is |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 28, 2024 16:20:31 GMT
Yes, I agree but I still don't think it will happen mate. However it's important to remember that John hired Walters, so also has to be held accountable. If he sacked both, it would highlight his incompetence. He also sacked your cousin about 6 weeks after naming him as 1 of 2 reasons to be hopeful about the future mate, he makes a habit of highlighting his incompetence. Walters was completely behind this mate. John just followed what he said and the rest is history. On a personal note, I have zero confidence in either of them and can't see it ending well. |
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Post by skip on Oct 28, 2024 16:32:30 GMT
Snoop Dogg are you reading this? We're the famous Toke City and we've won it, er, two times? |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 28, 2024 16:37:39 GMT
He also sacked your cousin about 6 weeks after naming him as 1 of 2 reasons to be hopeful about the future mate, he makes a habit of highlighting his incompetence. Walters was completely behind this mate. John just followed what he said and the rest is history. On a personal note, I have zero confidence in either of them and can't see it ending well. Just shows how weak/clueless Coates Jnr is. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 28, 2024 16:39:41 GMT
Saturday is a very big game for the manager and the club against a team that are 4 unbeaten but also without an away win this season.
I really do fear it will become toxic if we go behind and we don’t look like getting back into it.
We haven’t beaten them since the Rowett snake game so we’re due but my worry is our lack of physicality against the best dead ball side in the division may cause us issues.
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Post by senojbor on Oct 28, 2024 16:52:38 GMT
Once again it's poor recruitment that's the problem.
Not signing/replacing Hoover, McNally and Cundle. Letting go of Campbell, Laurent and gifting Blackburn with Baker.
They may not be to everyone's liking but there experienced at this level and the kids they've brought in are not
Sacking the manager won't solve the problem.
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Post by onionman on Oct 28, 2024 16:53:30 GMT
Hope you don't work in sales! HaHa!I don't think they are about to put me in charge of the sale of the club are they?! I wouldn’t put it past them. |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 28, 2024 17:00:44 GMT
Once again it's poor recruitment that's the problem. Not signing/replacing Hoover, McNally and Cundle. Letting go of Campbell, Laurent and gifting Blackburn with Baker. They may not be to everyone's liking but there experienced at this level and the kids they've brought in are not Sacking the manager won't solve the problem. The recruitment is very akin to the Prem relegation season. |
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Post by questionable on Oct 28, 2024 17:02:47 GMT
Don’t judge the stadium by about 30 people on the oatcake. The vast majority would not want the Coates to go at all so get that out of your heads for start. The new manager and Walters need time to get to where they have planned. Results help that time massively and I just hope they get some to give him his chance to do what he wants and needs to do Lots of other teams seem to have time, we’ve had 7 years of decline with no signs of improvement whatsoever, Pound Land Jon and the guy in a jumper and a pair of trainers have no chance at all |
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 28, 2024 17:33:12 GMT
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on your face— forever.
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Oct 28, 2024 17:34:40 GMT
Get some wins on the board and everything changes… perspective, hope, belief, confidence
Need to win on Saturday
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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 28, 2024 17:35:26 GMT
Agree that J Coates couldn't run a pub buthedoent need to. We benefit from his money and would be worse off without it. Whether offside Walters and Penach survive until Christmas is a different question. I don't like the Football Director and Gead Coach set up and much prefer an autonomous manager. That said it has to be the right manager and I did hope that Schumacher was the one. Sadly that didn't work out. We need a miracle worker but there are none about and even if there were I doubt they would want the job. In answer to the title question I would say Christmas at the latest if we are in or near the drop zone. Hope I'm wrong I can't see why no one would take the job,very good salary,large payout if sacked. Didn't say "no one" I said we needed a miracle worker and there are none about and if there were I doubt THEY would want the job. Yep great salary and payout so somebody would take the job, I don't doubt either you and I would given the money involved and the chance to be paid off when sacked. |
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Post by yardstick on Oct 28, 2024 21:37:21 GMT
What if we tried to turn things round?
We’re all saying that apathy has set in and we don’t care anymore but that’s bollocks, we’re lifers.
It won’t happen but imagine if all 4 sides of the ground just sang solidly for the 90 minutes against Derby.
2-0 down at half time? Sod it, sing louder. Bringing Vidigal and Ennis on for Koumas and Manhoef to rescue the game? Even Louder!
It won’t happen but if it did, it would show the players and those in charge that we care what happens every week and might fire some urgency into them
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Post by tuum on Oct 29, 2024 2:25:11 GMT
Walters was completely behind this mate. John just followed what he said and the rest is history. On a personal note, I have zero confidence in either of them and can't see it ending well. Just shows how weak/clueless Coates Jnr is. If you appoint someone (SJW) to do a job and then don't allow him to make decisions or refuse to back his judgment on the first key decision then what was the point in hiring them in the first place. SJW's decision to sack SS would have been discussed ahead of time with JC and he(SJW) must have been persuasive, even if JC may have had some reservations. It's unfortunate that the bloke under the microscope never gets a chance to argue their case but, in general,that's how things work. My opinion is if SJW chooses to sack NP this season then JC will give SJW the opportunity to put things right. Any decision to sack JW will depend on many factors, not just his ability to appoint a head coach. |
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Post by Sfance on Oct 29, 2024 6:44:36 GMT
Not sure what people’s definition of a relegation battle is, but IMO, we’re already in it. In fact we’ve been in one for years. Where’s Hudsongod when you need him?
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 29, 2024 8:51:22 GMT
Just shows how weak/clueless Coates Jnr is. If you appoint someone (SJW) to do a job and then don't allow him to make decisions or refuse to back his judgment on the first key decision then what was the point in hiring them in the first place. SJW's decision to sack SS would have been discussed ahead of time with JC and he(SJW) must have been persuasive, even if JC may have had some reservations. It's unfortunate that the bloke under the microscope never gets a chance to argue their case but, in general,that's how things work. My opinion is if SJW chooses to sack NP this season then JC will give SJW the opportunity to put things right. Any decision to sack JW will depend on many factors, not just his ability to appoint a head coach. That's fine but don't go shouting your mouth off saying Stephen Schumacher is 1 of 2 reasons to be hopeful for the future, only to sack him a few weeks later. It makes you look totally fucking stupid and I'm surprised he hasn't been called out on it more than he has. It just comes across that he blindly follows the next person who sweet talks him and there's absolutely zero planning we just jump from one model to the next. He's clueless and when this current set up fails, we'll move on to the next one, probably with a manager centric approach again. |
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Post by tuum on Oct 29, 2024 9:59:03 GMT
If you appoint someone (SJW) to do a job and then don't allow him to make decisions or refuse to back his judgment on the first key decision then what was the point in hiring them in the first place. SJW's decision to sack SS would have been discussed ahead of time with JC and he(SJW) must have been persuasive, even if JC may have had some reservations. It's unfortunate that the bloke under the microscope never gets a chance to argue their case but, in general,that's how things work. My opinion is if SJW chooses to sack NP this season then JC will give SJW the opportunity to put things right. Any decision to sack JW will depend on many factors, not just his ability to appoint a head coach. That's fine but don't go shouting your mouth off saying Stephen Schumacher is 1 of 2 reasons to be hopeful for the future, only to sack him a few weeks later. It makes you look totally fucking stupid and I'm surprised he hasn't been called out on it more than he has. It just comes across that he blindly follows the next person who sweet talks him and there's absolutely zero planning we just jump from one model to the next. He's clueless and when this current set up fails, we'll move on to the next one, probably with a manager centric approach again. Valid point. I suspect when JC said that (at a meet the fans night?) he genuinely meant it. 4mths later having witnessed Oxford and others, he may have been having 2nd thoughts. No different to 50% of all Stoke fans I reckon. His 2nd reason to be hopeful was Junho I think, but happy to be corrected, and he is not currently pulling up any trees. |
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