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Post by pavel on Oct 19, 2024 16:30:37 GMT
These events are often life changing and often stay with the victim for the rest of their lives, it can become, and often does, an invisible curtailment of a woman’s freedom to have a life without fear. As a man I’ve never worried about been assaulted, sexually or otherwise going about my normal life, women should be able to go about their normal lives without fear or without the need to curtail their daily lives to keep themselves “safe”.
The statistics say it all, as have been clearly stated on this thread and are horrific. It’s up to men to step up and change and to challenge the unacceptable, though that can be hard to do when herd mentality takes over, but it is necessary to call the perpetrators out.
There is no justification in calling it banter or saying that women need to be careful of where, when and how they live their lives, it’s not their problem, it’s men who are the problem and we need to change.
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Post by skip on Oct 19, 2024 16:36:50 GMT
Ok so basically “all men” must be held accountable for a few brain dead knob heads? I see. If all men don't want to be judged by the standards of the minority, the majority have to proactively step up and step in. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Oct 19, 2024 16:39:33 GMT
These events are often life changing and often stay with the victim for the rest of their lives, it can become, and often does, an invisible curtailment of a woman’s freedom to have a life without fear. As a man I’ve never worried about been assaulted, sexually or otherwise going about my normal life, women should be able to go about their normal lives without fear or without the need to curtail their daily lives to keep themselves “safe”. The statistics say it all, as have been clearly stated on this thread and are horrific. It’s up to men to step up and change and to challenge the unacceptable, though that can be hard to do when herd mentality takes over, but it is necessary to call the perpetrators out. There is no justification in calling it banter or saying that women need to be careful of where, when and how they live their lives, it’s not their problem, it’s men who are the problem and we need to change. You are absolutely correct apart from one thing. I've never worried about being sexually assaulted, but I am certain if it happened to me it would be just as harrowing as for anybody else. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 19, 2024 16:39:57 GMT
Ok so basically “all men” must be held accountable for a few brain dead knob heads? I see. If all men don't want to be judged by the standards of the minority, the majority have to proactively step up and step in. I don’t agree with it and I hope things get better for women but that article is a typical virtue signalling piece by the Guardian where “all men” are made to look like vile creatures who treat women like shit. It’s not true and it’s divisive |
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Post by madnellie on Oct 19, 2024 16:42:36 GMT
These events are often life changing and often stay with the victim for the rest of their lives, it can become, and often does, an invisible curtailment of a woman’s freedom to have a life without fear. As a man I’ve never worried about been assaulted, sexually or otherwise going about my normal life, women should be able to go about their normal lives without fear or without the need to curtail their daily lives to keep themselves “safe”. The statistics say it all, as have been clearly stated on this thread and are horrific. It’s up to men to step up and change and to challenge the unacceptable, though that can be hard to do when herd mentality takes over, but it is necessary to call the perpetrators out. There is no justification in calling it banter or saying that women need to be careful of where, when and how they live their lives, it’s not their problem, it’s men who are the problem and we need to change. You are absolutely correct apart from one thing. I've never worried about being sexually assaulted, but I am certain if it happened to me it would be just as harrowing as for anybody else. Are you a woman, kj? |
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Post by madnellie on Oct 19, 2024 16:43:39 GMT
If all men don't want to be judged by the standards of the minority, the majority have to proactively step up and step in. I don’t agree with it and I hope things get better for women but that article is a typical virtue signalling piece by the Guardian where “all men” are made to look like vile creatures who treat women like shit. It’s not true and it’s divisive Literally no one is saying that. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 19, 2024 16:49:05 GMT
I don’t agree with it and I hope things get better for women but that article is a typical virtue signalling piece by the Guardian where “all men” are made to look like vile creatures who treat women like shit. It’s not true and it’s divisive Literally no one is saying that. Im sorry I’m just sick and tired of men, in particular white men being demonised at every opportunity by the media. I understand you’re a woman and will have stronger views on the subject than I do so I’ll just leave it there. I will just say that if I ever see a woman or man in trouble and in need of help I will and have always intervened. I don’t appreciate being tarred with the same old stereotypes. |
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Post by pavel on Oct 19, 2024 16:50:49 GMT
These events are often life changing and often stay with the victim for the rest of their lives, it can become, and often does, an invisible curtailment of a woman’s freedom to have a life without fear. As a man I’ve never worried about been assaulted, sexually or otherwise going about my normal life, women should be able to go about their normal lives without fear or without the need to curtail their daily lives to keep themselves “safe”. The statistics say it all, as have been clearly stated on this thread and are horrific. It’s up to men to step up and change and to challenge the unacceptable, though that can be hard to do when herd mentality takes over, but it is necessary to call the perpetrators out. There is no justification in calling it banter or saying that women need to be careful of where, when and how they live their lives, it’s not their problem, it’s men who are the problem and we need to change. You are absolutely correct apart from one thing. I've never worried about being sexually assaulted, but I am certain if it happened to me it would be just as harrowing as for anybody else. Yes it would. |
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Post by pavel on Oct 19, 2024 16:58:19 GMT
Literally no one is saying that. Im sorry I’m just sick and tired of men, in particular white men being demonised at every opportunity by the media. I understand you’re a woman and will have stronger views on the subject than I do so I’ll just leave it there. I will just say that if I ever see a woman or man in trouble and in need of help I will and have always intervened. I don’t appreciate being tarred with the same old stereotypes. The Guardian has said nothing of the sort, nobody is being demonised ( that doesn’t deserve it) but if you don’t see there is a deep rooted problem in society with the way many men interact with women then that is a problem. White males get an easy ride, you should try being on the other side of the railway tracks. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 19, 2024 16:59:40 GMT
Im sorry I’m just sick and tired of men, in particular white men being demonised at every opportunity by the media. I understand you’re a woman and will have stronger views on the subject than I do so I’ll just leave it there. I will just say that if I ever see a woman or man in trouble and in need of help I will and have always intervened. I don’t appreciate being tarred with the same old stereotypes. The Guardian has said nothing of the sort, nobody is being demonised ( that doesn’t deserve it) but if you don’t see there is a deep rooted problem in society with the way many men interact with women then that is a problem. White males get an easy ride, you should try being on the other side of the railway tracks. The other side of the railway tracks? What does that even mean? |
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Post by pavel on Oct 19, 2024 18:08:34 GMT
The Guardian has said nothing of the sort, nobody is being demonised ( that doesn’t deserve it) but if you don’t see there is a deep rooted problem in society with the way many men interact with women then that is a problem. White males get an easy ride, you should try being on the other side of the railway tracks. The other side of the railway tracks? What does that even mean? I think it’s self explanatory in context. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 19, 2024 18:25:46 GMT
The other side of the railway tracks? What does that even mean? I think it’s self explanatory in context. In what way do white males get an easy ride,? |
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Post by pavel on Oct 19, 2024 21:18:59 GMT
I think it’s self explanatory in context. In what way do white males get an easy ride,? Well if you don’t know how the world works, I can’t help you. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 19, 2024 21:56:28 GMT
The Guardian has said nothing of the sort, nobody is being demonised ( that doesn’t deserve it) but if you don’t see there is a deep rooted problem in society with the way many men interact with women then that is a problem. White males get an easy ride, you should try being on the other side of the railway tracks. The other side of the railway tracks? What does that even mean? It means consider the viewpoint of someone who isn't a white male White men are not being demonised at all, absolute drivel |
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Post by lordb on Oct 19, 2024 21:56:57 GMT
I think it’s self explanatory in context. In what way do white males get an easy ride,? In every way |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 19, 2024 22:15:03 GMT
In what way do white males get an easy ride,? In every way Give us an example |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 19, 2024 22:15:49 GMT
In what way do white males get an easy ride,? Well if you don’t know how the world works, I can’t help you. Weak reply |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 19, 2024 22:16:53 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 20, 2024 1:26:07 GMT
If all men don't want to be judged by the standards of the minority, the majority have to proactively step up and step in. I don’t agree with it and I hope things get better for women but that article is a typical virtue signalling piece by the Guardian where “all men” are made to look like vile creatures who treat women like shit. It’s not true and it’s divisive Considering the article to be 'virtue signalling' illustrates the points it expresses. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 20, 2024 19:05:48 GMT
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Post by skip on Oct 21, 2024 8:18:49 GMT
If all men don't want to be judged by the standards of the minority, the majority have to proactively step up and step in. I don’t agree with it and I hope things get better for women but that article is a typical virtue signalling piece by the Guardian where “all men” are made to look like vile creatures who treat women like shit. It’s not true and it’s divisive Disclaimer - I am honestly trying to be productive here, not confrontational. When women are attacked, assaulted, threatened, belittled and so on, they don't know who the good guys are. When they feel intimidated they only see bad guys unless the good guys step forward. Some men treat women like shit (I strongly suspect we all know at least one woman in our lives who have lived experience of this), so it is up to us to prove the stereotype wrong. |
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Post by pavel on Oct 21, 2024 9:07:37 GMT
Well if you don’t know how the world works, I can’t help you. Weak reply I think LordB's reply will do nicely, I can't be arsed to go into power dynamics, history, privilege et al, especially as you know exactly what I mean. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 21, 2024 9:41:41 GMT
I think LordB's reply will do nicely, I can't be arsed to go into power dynamics, history, privilege et al, especially as you know exactly what I mean. No- just a cliche with nothing to back it up you mean |
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Post by pavel on Oct 21, 2024 11:02:11 GMT
I think LordB's reply will do nicely, I can't be arsed to go into power dynamics, history, privilege et al, especially as you know exactly what I mean. No- just a cliche with nothing to back it up you mean Give it a break mate, I don't have to explain myself to you. The white male has had everything going for him for centuries, he's the top of the food chain (yes there are deprived white males) but compared with non white males they rarely have anything to complain of in comparison. If we look at women in general I don't think we need to go into the disadvantages, prejudice and inequality they have suffered at the hands of a male centric society to this day and the violence they have suffered throughout. |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 21, 2024 11:02:19 GMT
Literally no one is saying that. Im sorry I’m just sick and tired of men, in particular white men being demonised at every opportunity by the media. I understand you’re a woman and will have stronger views on the subject than I do so I’ll just leave it there. I will just say that if I ever see a woman or man in trouble and in need of help I will and have always intervened. I don’t appreciate being tarred with the same old stereotypes. Could you please highlight where in that article you think you are being tarred with the same old stereotype? I'm looking for that bit myself. I assume you have read it since you are commenting on it. |
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