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Post by madnellie on Oct 11, 2024 22:34:54 GMT
Very true. And to be honest, we shouldn't be asking why the victim did or didn't do anything. She's a victim, she should never have been put in that situation to begin with, and there is absolutely no responsibilty or blame on her, whatever she does. The only person who has questions to answer is the offender. I think it's hard for a lot of blokes to realise because we just hardly ever get put in the same situations. And loads of us have women friends or fuck buddies or whatever where there really is banter. Plus we want to believe people are ok overall so we see stuff and think it's banter even when it's not. Being a bit open minded to work out *why* a lot of men don't recognise it when shit's gone bad could help. I think the fact that a load of us aren't sexual abusers means that we're just not properly on the lookout. And then you feel like you're getting unfairly blamed for stuff some other wanker did. I agree all blame is only on the abuser btw. Agree with every word of that, mate. |
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Post by senojbor on Oct 11, 2024 22:35:46 GMT
I really don't know the situation but if the girl did raise an alarm or shouted out I'm sure people would have come to her aid. I know I would and so would others. You still haven't read the article, have you? She shouted out and no people came to her aid. Yes, I read the article from back to front. Whether your a girl or a man, you have to stick up for yourself. Tell them to FO and go to another carriage. It's life , that's how it is sadly. You cannot top these situations unfortunately. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 11, 2024 22:43:00 GMT
You still haven't read the article, have you? She shouted out and no people came to her aid. Yes, I read the article from back to front. Whether your a girl or a man, you have to stick up for yourself. Tell them to FO and go to another carriage. It's life , that's how it is sadly. You cannot top these situations unfortunately. “You can’t stop men being misogynistic sexual predators” How utterly depressing….. |
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Post by madnellie on Oct 11, 2024 22:49:22 GMT
Yes, I read the article from back to front. Whether your a girl or a man, you have to stick up for yourself. Tell them to FO and go to another carriage. It's life , that's how it is sadly. You cannot top these situations unfortunately. “You can’t stop men being misogynistic sexual predators” How utterly depressing….. Victim blaming, Prestwich. A huge part of the problem, right there. "Sorry you got sexually assaulted, love, do better next time, eh". |
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Post by senojbor on Oct 11, 2024 22:52:07 GMT
Very true. And to be honest, we shouldn't be asking why the victim did or didn't do anything. She's a victim, she should never have been put in that situation to begin with, and there is absolutely no responsibilty or blame on her, whatever she does. The only person who has questions to answer is the offender. I think it's hard for a lot of blokes to realise because we just hardly ever get put in the same situations. And loads of us have women friends or fuck buddies or whatever where there really is banter. Plus we want to believe people are ok overall so we see stuff and think it's banter even when it's not. Being a bit open minded to work out *why* a lot of men don't recognise it when shit's gone bad could help. I think the fact that a load of us aren't sexual abusers means that we're just not properly on the lookout. And then you feel like you're getting unfairly blamed for stuff some other wanker did. I agree all blame is only on the abuser btw. What a load of tripe. |
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Post by madnellie on Oct 11, 2024 22:57:07 GMT
You still haven't read the article, have you? She shouted out and no people came to her aid. Yes, I read the article from back to front. Whether your a girl or a man, you have to stick up for yourself. Tell them to FO and go to another carriage. It's life , that's how it is sadly. You cannot top these situations unfortunately. You must have read a completely different article. She did that. Absolutely bonkers and worrying take. |
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Post by senojbor on Oct 11, 2024 23:07:00 GMT
Yes, I read the article from back to front. Whether your a girl or a man, you have to stick up for yourself. Tell them to FO and go to another carriage. It's life , that's how it is sadly. You cannot top these situations unfortunately. You must have read a completely different article. She did that. Absolutely bonkers and worrying take. No the same article Girl gets on a train home with loads of probably pissed up away supporters. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 11, 2024 23:22:28 GMT
You still haven't read the article, have you? She shouted out and no people came to her aid. Yes, I read the article from back to front. Whether your a girl or a man, you have to stick up for yourself. Tell them to FO and go to another carriage. It's life , that's how it is sadly. You cannot top these situations unfortunately. Do you think that they would have stood aside and let her move to another carriage? There is a total lack of empathy from some posters, for a small woman alone in a situation where there are lot of drunk men full of testosterone coming away from a football match. Sometimes you are in a situation as a woman when sticking up for yourself makes things worse because the men concerned think it funny that a woman is trying to stick up for herself. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 11, 2024 23:30:30 GMT
You must have read a completely different article. She did that. Absolutely bonkers and worrying take. No the same article Girl gets on a train home with loads of probably pissed up away supporters. Is there an insinuation in your post that why did she get on that train and she should have waited for another? A woman should have the right to be alone anywhere. It is not her fault that some, probably drunk men can't respect that right. When Malcolm did his survey a while back on women at football I said that I felt vulnerable outside the ground after a match on occasions when I was alone. I pay for a car parking space outside the ground so that there are always a lot of stewards and police around. If I couldn't do that I wouldn't go to matches when it was dark at the end. In fact at the moment I get the space because I take my elderly mother who can't walk far. When she decides no longer to attend matches I will not be able to get the space. Perhaps Stoke could make it possible for lone women to get a parking space close to the ground? |
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 11, 2024 23:44:47 GMT
I think it's hard for a lot of blokes to realise because we just hardly ever get put in the same situations. And loads of us have women friends or fuck buddies or whatever where there really is banter. Plus we want to believe people are ok overall so we see stuff and think it's banter even when it's not. Being a bit open minded to work out *why* a lot of men don't recognise it when shit's gone bad could help. I think the fact that a load of us aren't sexual abusers means that we're just not properly on the lookout. And then you feel like you're getting unfairly blamed for stuff some other wanker did. I agree all blame is only on the abuser btw. What a load of tripe. Do you think it's all tripe? What about the bit where I said most lads aren't sexual abusers? Disagree with that? |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 12, 2024 6:40:31 GMT
More than once I've spoken to men sexually intimidating women in public.
The last time it happened was in May and an observer (totally unconnected with the incident) dismissed it and told me I was just being 'woke'.
There's still a lot of people who fail to fully grasp the scale of the issue and the consequences for victims.
Also, this isn't just the ugly side of football fandom. It's the ugly side of masculinity.
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Post by a on Oct 12, 2024 7:31:09 GMT
What a horrible experience for that woman to have to go through. I hope that the officers investigating is able to identify and question the man responsible and that justice is served. Sadly it’s more likely to go unpunished and the perpetrator will possibly go on to repeat the same or worse against another woman.
The CPS need to do better though when cases are brought to trial because clearly the deterrent isn’t strong enough or rather the lack of resources has emboldened this despicable behaviour.
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Post by smithypotter on Oct 12, 2024 7:51:05 GMT
More than once I've spoken to men sexually intimidating women in public. The last time it happened was in May and an observer (totally unconnected with the incident) dismissed it and told me I was just being 'woke'. There's still a lot of people who fail to fully grasp the scale of the issue and the consequences for victims. Also, this isn't just the ugly side of football fandom. It's the ugly side of masculinity. I've also asked myself that question of if it's being 'woke' or just noticing and recognising shitty behaviours in male colleagues I've worked with or grew up with. Take for example the pecking order system that male 'friend' groups tend to implement. This can happen with both sexes but it's far less subtle in male groups. There is a clear difference between having banter and just straight up bullying, even in instances where it becomes the latter, it's still passed off as 'banter'. Don't get me started on the construction site culture either. People may say women don't work these jobs due to the more physical demands but could you imagine any woman wanting to spend 7-8 hours a day with some of the absolute meatheads these jobs attract? There's nothing wrong with having a male only space for guy talk, it's important for our wellbeing to have those spaces, and it doesn't need to be some new age sensitive male alternative above having good healthy banter. That being said, denying that toxic cultures do not exist still to this day within certain groups, is being wilfully naive. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 12, 2024 10:26:25 GMT
More than once I've spoken to men sexually intimidating women in public. The last time it happened was in May and an observer (totally unconnected with the incident) dismissed it and told me I was just being 'woke'. There's still a lot of people who fail to fully grasp the scale of the issue and the consequences for victims. Also, this isn't just the ugly side of football fandom. It's the ugly side of masculinity. I've also asked myself that question of if it's being 'woke' or just noticing and recognising shitty behaviours in male colleagues I've worked with or grew up with. Take for example the pecking order system that male 'friend' groups tend to implement. This can happen with both sexes but it's far less subtle in male groups. There is a clear difference between having banter and just straight up bullying, even in instances where it becomes the latter, it's still passed off as 'banter'. Don't get me started on the construction site culture either. People may say women don't work these jobs due to the more physical demands but could you imagine any woman wanting to spend 7-8 hours a day with some of the absolute meatheads these jobs attract? There's nothing wrong with having a male only space for guy talk, it's important for our wellbeing to have those spaces, and it doesn't need to be some new age sensitive male alternative above having good healthy banter. That being said, denying that toxic cultures do not exist still to this day within certain groups, is being wilfully naive. Or maybe "woke" actually means not being tied to social attitudes that should have been challenged years ago? Hate to say it but if you are "noticing and recognising shitty behaviours in male colleagues" you are probably woke. But don't worry despite what some might say it makes you more of a man, not less. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 12, 2024 10:29:43 GMT
Without wanting to go to deep, I’m actually ashamed of myself from my younger days where I would sit round a table in a pub, or in the workplace and listen to men spouting misogynistic shit and say nothing, after all it was just “banter” and it wasn’t me saying it - I didn’t believe those things personally. It’s only after I had a daughter and started to think more about it that the penny dropped completely. It’s not enough to say nothing and tell yourself “not me I’m a nice bloke” these people need challenging and calling out.
Society needs to wake up to this crap, boys grow up in an environment where mum does all the domestic duties and the dad watches on, where girls follow one path and boys another. Then they become teenagers and have access to some of the vilest misogynistic violent pornography which further shapes their view of girls, they might take that into a relationship that becomes toxic, or even worse become the kind of scumbag in the original article. It’s why I don’t subscribe to these so called “harmless” jokes and threads that depict women in a certain way. In isolation they are relatively harmless, but they are often part of something darker.
As parents of teenage boys the most important thing in the world you can do is to ensure they grow up to be respectful and treat women as equals not as someone to leer over or make uncomfortable. To those who think it’s appropriate to do this and try and pass it off as “banter” you need to realise women don’t (generally) find it funny or endearing, they think you’re a fucking creep and would like you to leave them in peace……
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Post by anchorman on Oct 12, 2024 10:57:33 GMT
Well said, skip. 1 in 4 women in the UK will be sexually assaulted in their lifetime. Most men have at least four women they care deeply about, whether relatives, lovers or friends. So the odds are it will happen to a woman you’re very close to. Be the person you would want to be there if it was happening someone you loved. More than one of my friends have been raped. None of the attackers had any consequences aside from a bit of awkwardness when they had to get their friends to cut my friends out of the social groups. I was shocked. It's hard for a lot of blokes because we don't notice it, or we aren't rapists so we don't think of looking out for the signs. The Title of this thread & the issues raised bring up the ugly side of society in general and the ongoing struggles and inequality that women & girls endure throughout their life. This particular incident is appalling but unfortunately not uncommon. My daughter lives in London, uses the tube on a regular basis and witnesses all sorts of abusive behaviour on a fairly regular basis. Just a couple of weeks ago a man racially abused a woman of colour. Nobody said a word apart from my daughter, (who would describe herself as belonging to a minority group herself) told the man to shut the **** up. I'm proud of her for standing shoulder to shoulder with another woman but my point is that the problem, the real issue is with US and by that I mean US men. We are the one's who need educating. Within society men are privileged and we need to recognise that and understand it. Women have been down trodden and discriminated against forever. It needs to stop. Misogyny is rife. Attacks against women have increased substantially and it's no coincidence when the likes of Donald Trump & Andrew Tate have platforms from which they can spout their vile views from. As men, we have to call it out, we have to stand up and be counted and challenge men who think it's ok. We need to ensure that young boys are educated, girls empowered and quite simply that as human beings we are all equal. A side note to this - There's a new Drama (Paramount/Prime I think) called CURFEW - It's about men living under curfew and not being allowed out after dark to protect women. How interesting! |
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Post by anchorman on Oct 12, 2024 11:08:02 GMT
Without wanting to go to deep, I’m actually ashamed of myself from my younger days where I would sit round a table in a pub, or in the workplace and listen to men spouting misogynistic shit and say nothing, after all it was just “banter” and it wasn’t me saying it - I didn’t believe those things personally. It’s only after I had a daughter and started to think more about it that the penny dropped completely. It’s not enough to say nothing and tell yourself “not me I’m a nice bloke” these people need challenging and calling out. Society needs to wake up to this crap, boys grow up in an environment where mum does all the domestic duties and the dad watches on, where girls follow one path and boys another. Then they become teenagers and have access to some of the vilest misogynistic sexual pornography which further shapes their view of girls, they might take that into a relationship that becomes toxic, or even worse become the kind of scumbag in the original article. It’s why I don’t subscribe to these so called “harmless” jokes and threads that depict women in a certain way. In isolation they are relatively harmless, but they are often part of something darker. As parents of teenage boys the most important thing in the world you can do is to ensure they grow up to be respectful and treat women as equals not as someone to leer over or make uncomfortable. To those who think it’s appropriate to do this and try and pass it off as “banter” you need to realise women don’t (generally) find it funny or endearing, they think you’re a fucking creep and would like you to leave them in peace…… I can relate to everything you are saying. My daughter has taught me so very much about how difficult and challenging it is to be a young woman in this world. We brought our son & daughter up to believe that they could do anything or be anything they wanted, we skilfully avoided the blue for boy, pink for a girl stuff! They were equals as far as we were concerned......That was until my daughter enlightened me that she felt that was the case up until she was 14/15 years old and in her words she discovered that it wasn't a level playing field out there. Men shouting obscenities from the top of a scaffold as she walked down a street. I'm sure those men thought it was funny, a laugh, just banter, boys being boys etc etc etc |
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Oct 12, 2024 13:36:42 GMT
Without wanting to go to deep, I’m actually ashamed of myself from my younger days where I would sit round a table in a pub, or in the workplace and listen to men spouting misogynistic shit and say nothing, after all it was just “banter” and it wasn’t me saying it - I didn’t believe those things personally. It’s only after I had a daughter and started to think more about it that the penny dropped completely. It’s not enough to say nothing and tell yourself “not me I’m a nice bloke” these people need challenging and calling out. Society needs to wake up to this crap, boys grow up in an environment where mum does all the domestic duties and the dad watches on, where girls follow one path and boys another. Then they become teenagers and have access to some of the vilest misogynistic sexual pornography which further shapes their view of girls, they might take that into a relationship that becomes toxic, or even worse become the kind of scumbag in the original article. It’s why I don’t subscribe to these so called “harmless” jokes and threads that depict women in a certain way. In isolation they are relatively harmless, but they are often part of something darker. As parents of teenage boys the most important thing in the world you can do is to ensure they grow up to be respectful and treat women as equals not as someone to leer over or make uncomfortable. To those who think it’s appropriate to do this and try and pass it off as “banter” you need to realise women don’t (generally) find it funny or endearing, they think you’re a fucking creep and would like you to leave them in peace…… I've got 2 sons, who are only 7 and 1 right now but with the 7 year old the time he will be discovering that side of life and his attractions take shape is approaching much faster than I ever thought possible. Thankfully I do have several years left before it's a concern but I still think I maybe wouldn't have given enough thought to this issue in isolation. I try to teach my kids to be kind, tolerant and inclusive of everyone as much as possible, and always will. But I think when the time comes and he starts to develop his interests sexually and otherwise, this will seriously need broaching in an open and honest way to ensure he acts appropriately and matures in the correct manner. I also have a 9 year old daughter who I can honestly say, even now, and for some time already, I am absolutely shitting myself at the thought of her becoming a teenager and having to be caught up in the life of a girl with teenage boys and even grown men acting the way we have all seen them act in our own lives. I won't always be there to protect her, and although she shouldn't have anything to be protected from in an ideal world, I do hope others have taught their children to be mindful and respectful but it won't always be the case. Unfortunately, as shown in the article, people like that are also having kids and showing them things that shouldn't be happening. As well as you describing exactly regarding the exposure in life that occurs depicting women in many ways where there can be 'used'. Single worst worry for me about being a parent so far. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 12, 2024 13:51:12 GMT
Without wanting to go to deep, I’m actually ashamed of myself from my younger days where I would sit round a table in a pub, or in the workplace and listen to men spouting misogynistic shit and say nothing, after all it was just “banter” and it wasn’t me saying it - I didn’t believe those things personally. It’s only after I had a daughter and started to think more about it that the penny dropped completely. It’s not enough to say nothing and tell yourself “not me I’m a nice bloke” these people need challenging and calling out. Society needs to wake up to this crap, boys grow up in an environment where mum does all the domestic duties and the dad watches on, where girls follow one path and boys another. Then they become teenagers and have access to some of the vilest misogynistic sexual pornography which further shapes their view of girls, they might take that into a relationship that becomes toxic, or even worse become the kind of scumbag in the original article. It’s why I don’t subscribe to these so called “harmless” jokes and threads that depict women in a certain way. In isolation they are relatively harmless, but they are often part of something darker. As parents of teenage boys the most important thing in the world you can do is to ensure they grow up to be respectful and treat women as equals not as someone to leer over or make uncomfortable. To those who think it’s appropriate to do this and try and pass it off as “banter” you need to realise women don’t (generally) find it funny or endearing, they think you’re a fucking creep and would like you to leave them in peace…… I've got 2 sons, who are only 7 and 1 right now but with the 7 year old the time he will be discovering that side of life and his attractions take shape is approaching much faster than I ever thought possible. Thankfully I do have several years left before it's a concern but I still think I maybe wouldn't have given enough thought to this issue in isolation. I try to teach my kids to be kind, tolerant and inclusive of everyone as much as possible, and always will. But I think when the time comes and he starts to develop his interests sexually and otherwise, this will seriously need broaching in an open and honest way to ensure he acts appropriately and matures in the correct manner. I also have a 9 year old daughter who I can honestly say, even now, and for some time already, I am absolutely shitting myself at the thought of her becoming a teenager and having to be caught up in the life of a girl with teenage boys and even grown men acting the way we have all seen them act in our own lives. I won't always be there to protect her, and although she shouldn't have anything to be protected from in an ideal world, I do hope others have taught their children to be mindful and respectful but it won't always be the case. Unfortunately, as shown in the article, people like that are also having kids and showing them things that shouldn't be happening. As well as you describing exactly regarding the exposure in life that occurs depicting women in many ways where there can be 'used'. Single worst worry for me about being a parent so far. I have a 7 year old daughter and it's exactly the same fears. My 13 and 16 year old lads generally have their heads screwed on but my 16 year old quotes Andrew Tate and says the odd thing that make me worry, albeit I think sometimes it's just to wind me and his mum up  |
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Post by kerouac on Oct 12, 2024 14:23:17 GMT
Without wanting to go to deep, I’m actually ashamed of myself from my younger days where I would sit round a table in a pub, or in the workplace and listen to men spouting misogynistic shit and say nothing, after all it was just “banter” and it wasn’t me saying it - I didn’t believe those things personally. It’s only after I had a daughter and started to think more about it that the penny dropped completely. It’s not enough to say nothing and tell yourself “not me I’m a nice bloke” these people need challenging and calling out. Society needs to wake up to this crap, boys grow up in an environment where mum does all the domestic duties and the dad watches on, where girls follow one path and boys another. Then they become teenagers and have access to some of the vilest misogynistic sexual pornography which further shapes their view of girls, they might take that into a relationship that becomes toxic, or even worse become the kind of scumbag in the original article. It’s why I don’t subscribe to these so called “harmless” jokes and threads that depict women in a certain way. In isolation they are relatively harmless, but they are often part of something darker. As parents of teenage boys the most important thing in the world you can do is to ensure they grow up to be respectful and treat women as equals not as someone to leer over or make uncomfortable. To those who think it’s appropriate to do this and try and pass it off as “banter” you need to realise women don’t (generally) find it funny or endearing, they think you’re a fucking creep and would like you to leave them in peace…… Absolutely spot on.I cringe at aspects of my behaviour when I was a youth,brings me out in a cold sweat at times. My daughters are in their mid twenties now,their male friends are a different breed to my ilk at that age,I put a lot of that down to parenting, but the “woke” word we all dread at least hopefully makes you take a step back and question whether what you’re about to say next may cause offence etc etc. The most worrying thing in the article is the sons laughing along,this is where the cycle needs to stop but it seems the message isn’t getting through to a vast proportion of the male society. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 12, 2024 15:02:17 GMT
More than once I've spoken to men sexually intimidating women in public. The last time it happened was in May and an observer (totally unconnected with the incident) dismissed it and told me I was just being 'woke'. There's still a lot of people who fail to fully grasp the scale of the issue and the consequences for victims. Also, this isn't just the ugly side of football fandom. It's the ugly side of masculinity. I've also asked myself that question of if it's being 'woke' or just noticing and recognising shitty behaviours in male colleagues I've worked with or grew up with. Take for example the pecking order system that male 'friend' groups tend to implement. This can happen with both sexes but it's far less subtle in male groups. There is a clear difference between having banter and just straight up bullying, even in instances where it becomes the latter, it's still passed off as 'banter'. Don't get me started on the construction site culture either. People may say women don't work these jobs due to the more physical demands but could you imagine any woman wanting to spend 7-8 hours a day with some of the absolute meatheads these jobs attract? There's nothing wrong with having a male only space for guy talk, it's important for our wellbeing to have those spaces, and it doesn't need to be some new age sensitive male alternative above having good healthy banter. That being said, denying that toxic cultures do not exist still to this day within certain groups, is being wilfully naive. One thing I'll emphasise (which is part of the topic of the thread) is the term 'woke' is utter bollox. We know what Godwins law is. I have a few Joe's laws....one of them is the modern interpretation of that mindless rubbish. It's used as if it's an inalienable insult. This in itself is indicative of the chaotic thought lines which lead to the issues raised on this thread. |
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Post by jokker on Oct 12, 2024 15:52:06 GMT
Then why didn't they??? The train was full of people, and if you've ever been on a post match train you'll know the vast majority are men, yet they all either took part or turned a blind eye. Yes they were complicit. I really don't know the situation but if the girl did raise an alarm or shouted out I'm sure people would have come to her aid. I know I would and so would others. What makes you so sure? You're denying the facts that are given in the article. |
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Oct 12, 2024 16:43:23 GMT
I've got 2 sons, who are only 7 and 1 right now but with the 7 year old the time he will be discovering that side of life and his attractions take shape is approaching much faster than I ever thought possible. Thankfully I do have several years left before it's a concern but I still think I maybe wouldn't have given enough thought to this issue in isolation. I try to teach my kids to be kind, tolerant and inclusive of everyone as much as possible, and always will. But I think when the time comes and he starts to develop his interests sexually and otherwise, this will seriously need broaching in an open and honest way to ensure he acts appropriately and matures in the correct manner. I also have a 9 year old daughter who I can honestly say, even now, and for some time already, I am absolutely shitting myself at the thought of her becoming a teenager and having to be caught up in the life of a girl with teenage boys and even grown men acting the way we have all seen them act in our own lives. I won't always be there to protect her, and although she shouldn't have anything to be protected from in an ideal world, I do hope others have taught their children to be mindful and respectful but it won't always be the case. Unfortunately, as shown in the article, people like that are also having kids and showing them things that shouldn't be happening. As well as you describing exactly regarding the exposure in life that occurs depicting women in many ways where there can be 'used'. Single worst worry for me about being a parent so far. I have a 7 year old daughter and it's exactly the same fears. My 13 and 16 year old lads generally have their heads screwed on but my 16 year old quotes Andrew Tate and says the odd thing that make me worry, albeit I think sometimes it's just to wind me and his mum up I have a 13 year old brother who seems to watch a lot of Andrew Tate stuff and its things like him that are seriously worrying about social media and the content that people can comsume very easily these days. All I think any of us can do is try to educate our kids and the ones around us and hopefully help others as and when it is possible. Not a nice commentary on society as a whole but it should be steadily improving I suppose. |
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Post by senojbor on Oct 12, 2024 16:43:57 GMT
I really don't know the situation but if the girl did raise an alarm or shouted out I'm sure people would have come to her aid. I know I would and so would others. What makes you so sure? You're denying the facts that are given in the article. What make sure I would help? You'll have to take my word for it. Where have said I didn't beleive the *facts* |
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 13, 2024 0:52:26 GMT
I have a 13 year old brother who seems to watch a lot of Andrew Tate stuff and its things like him that are seriously worrying about social media and the content that people can comsume very easily these days. All I think any of us can do is try to educate our kids and the ones around us and hopefully help others as and when it is possible. Not a nice commentary on society as a whole but it should be steadily improving I suppose. I think as a parent you have to have an amazing relationship with your kid to overcome the social media shite. I love my parents but it was always a battle between what they taught me and what I thought was cool. They just weren't cool. But you can take the edge off and it sounds like you can help with that 👍 I'm at a metal festival right now and I think the metal crowd was ahead of the game..it got "woke" years ago and I've heard from multiple women that it's generally a safer environment (not always, ofc). So now there are way more women who come, and a lot of them feel comfortable dressing up in a load of sexy ways. Which is awesome. There's a ton of consensual hooking up going on. If your #1 goal as a guy is to get laid then unless you're fucking incompetent, isn't it better to help make an environment that's actually attractive to women, and then just be a fun person they want to be around? I was a massive manslut for a while and that was my approach *shrug* EDIT: Although if your priority is to find time for a piss between sets then maybe you want fewer women. Fucking hell. |
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Post by madnellie on Oct 13, 2024 2:36:38 GMT
I have a 13 year old brother who seems to watch a lot of Andrew Tate stuff and its things like him that are seriously worrying about social media and the content that people can comsume very easily these days. All I think any of us can do is try to educate our kids and the ones around us and hopefully help others as and when it is possible. Not a nice commentary on society as a whole but it should be steadily improving I suppose. I think as a parent you have to have an amazing relationship with your kid to overcome the social media shite. I love my parents but it was always a battle between what they taught me and what I thought was cool. They just weren't cool. But you can take the edge off and it sounds like you can help with that 👍 I'm at a metal festival right now and I think the metal crowd was ahead of the game..it got "woke" years ago and I've heard from multiple women that it's generally a safer environment (not always, ofc). So now there are way more women who come, and a lot of them feel comfortable dressing up in a load of sexy ways. Which is awesome. There's a ton of consensual hooking up going on. If your #1 goal as a guy is to get laid then unless you're fucking incompetent, isn't it better to help make an environment that's actually attractive to women, and then just be a fun person they want to be around? I was a massive manslut for a while and that was my approach *shrug* EDIT: Although if your priority is to face time for a piss between sets then maybe you want fewer women. Fucking hell. The metal community is ace. The fact that someone like Rob Halford was able to come out back in the 90s speaks volumes, and I know he's spoken before about how accepting the community is as a whole. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 13, 2024 3:14:07 GMT
I have a 7 year old daughter and it's exactly the same fears. My 13 and 16 year old lads generally have their heads screwed on but my 16 year old quotes Andrew Tate and says the odd thing that make me worry, albeit I think sometimes it's just to wind me and his mum up I have a 13 year old brother who seems to watch a lot of Andrew Tate stuff and its things like him that are seriously worrying about social media and the content that people can comsume very easily these days. All I think any of us can do is try to educate our kids and the ones around us and hopefully help others as and when it is possible. Not a nice commentary on society as a whole but it should be steadily improving I suppose. You mention Andrew Tate. Do some men see him as a role model? Something to aspire to? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 13, 2024 7:40:38 GMT
What makes you so sure? You're denying the facts that are given in the article. What make sure I would help? You'll have to take my word for it. Where have said I didn't beleive the *facts* I before E except after C. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 13, 2024 8:22:43 GMT
Do you think it's all tripe? What about the bit where I said most lads aren't sexual abusers? Disagree with that? I agree most lads are not sexual abusers in the strict sense. However when you get a lot of men together and one or two start verbally abusing a woman, the rest will laugh and egg on as if it is funny to see a woman abused. That is, in the loose sense a type of sexual abuse. One of our five school rules where I taught was 'No bullying, no bystanders' and at the beginning of every school year the head would give a talk about how finding bullying funny or just standing aside and watching it happen without doing anything was just as bad as the bullying itself. He also used to point out that things aren't funny or a just a joke if the other person isn't laughing. |
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Post by jokker on Oct 13, 2024 15:46:58 GMT
What makes you so sure? You're denying the facts that are given in the article. What make sure I would help? You'll have to take my word for it. Where have said I didn't beleive the *facts* I haven't questioned whether you would help. You say in your previous post, " if the girl did raise an alarm or shouted out I'm sure people would have come to her aid." The article is all about how the woman did "raise alarm" but no one helped her. We have to take her statement as fact unless omebody proves it's not. |
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