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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2024 10:30:52 GMT
What's the point of Thompson? I'd be asking what was the point in spending £4.5m on a player who isn't fit enough, can't last 90 minutes, and lacks so much sharpness that he's regularly yellow carded first half for pulling back an opponent he can't catch? Our biggest weakness at the moment is the bloke we've spent the most money on. Burger has been shocking all season, but he's not Jordan Thompson so seems to get a free pass off a few. Amazing isn't it. People love a fall guy in Thompson for being a limited player we spent around 500k on, yet the £4+ million bloke gets away scott free. Thompson atleast knows his role and what's asked of him, Burger decided he didn't fancy it as soon as we went 0-1 down yesterday. Says it all. The 4m guy gets away Scott free? You having a laugh? He’s been slated every week since January. I’d say burger gets more stick than most now Campbell has gone |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 20, 2024 10:35:09 GMT
We were far better with Thompson on the pitch yesterday after Burger went off
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2024 10:40:53 GMT
Is that because Thompson came on or because their best player went off?
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 20, 2024 10:48:19 GMT
What's the point of Thompson? I'd be asking what was the point in spending £4.5m on a player who isn't fit enough, can't last 90 minutes, and lacks so much sharpness that he's regularly yellow carded first half for pulling back an opponent he can't catch? Our biggest weakness at the moment is the bloke we've spent the most money on. Burger has been shocking all season, but he's not Jordan Thompson so seems to get a free pass off a few. You really don’t rate Burger do you? I think he can play. I'll start with that. But for the money we have spent (at a time we have had our hands tied) he has been poor value so far and doesn't get in my team at the moment. There's a footballer in there, but I question his desire, his heart, and his fitness. The question I have is that he isn't anywhere near up to the speed of this league. In fact, I think he's more suited to playing a league higher how he plays. The points I have made are facts - he can't last games and is often trailing behind his man. Has he played well twice this season? has he influenced games? He does have a great name for an unveiling on social media and seems a nice lad, though. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 20, 2024 10:49:04 GMT
Is that because Thompson came on or because their best player went off? Probably abit of both Dave |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 20, 2024 10:49:47 GMT
We were far better with Thompson on the pitch yesterday after Burger went off Which is a very decent point, but he can only play against what's in front of him. He cut off the supply to Sainz and their forwards and played more forward passes than the bloke he replaced has made all season. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 20, 2024 10:51:05 GMT
Thompson and Burger can’t play together
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 20, 2024 10:56:11 GMT
We were far better with Thompson on the pitch yesterday after Burger went off Which is a very decent point, but he can only play against what's in front of him. He cut off the supply to Sainz and their forwards and played more forward passes than the bloke he replaced has made all season. Thompson for me as always killed momentum but it was noticeable yesterday he was passing forward more and quicker.Maybe Palach/Whitehead have had a word with him. I thought Kenny McLean ran the show first half |
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Post by smithypotter on Oct 20, 2024 11:03:50 GMT
Amazing isn't it. People love a fall guy in Thompson for being a limited player we spent around 500k on, yet the £4+ million bloke gets away scott free. Thompson atleast knows his role and what's asked of him, Burger decided he didn't fancy it as soon as we went 0-1 down yesterday. Says it all. The 4m guy gets away Scott free? You having a laugh? He’s been slated every week since January. I’d say burger gets more stick than most now Campbell has gone I'm referring to the misdirection of criticism towards a player that was apparently crap against Swansea when he came on (he wasn't he was fine) and then did an adequate job again yesterday. I'll echo what I said after the match, it's no coincidence that we have looked the better side for two games running when Thompson comes on in place of Burger. For what we have paid for Burger his output has been appalling over the tail end of last season under SS, starting again this season under SS before his sacking and continuing through under Pelach. If players perform badly they'll get called out for it, but some players are targeted regardless of how they play, Thompson is one of them. If Burger shows some grit like the rest of the team and fights for the cause I'll sing his praises. Right now I'd be thinking of recouping what we can of the £4 million we paid for him, buying a proper right back and a midfielder who can actually provide some steel. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 20, 2024 11:06:37 GMT
Point is , we're better at this time when he plays
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2024 11:29:46 GMT
You really don’t rate Burger do you? I think he can play. I'll start with that. But for the money we have spent (at a time we have had our hands tied) he has been poor value so far and doesn't get in my team at the moment. There's a footballer in there, but I question his desire, his heart, and his fitness. The question I have is that he isn't anywhere near up to the speed of this league. In fact, I think he's more suited to playing a league higher how he plays. The points I have made are facts - he can't last games and is often trailing behind his man. Has he played well twice this season? has he influenced games? He does have a great name for an unveiling on social media and seems a nice lad, though. Questioning his heart and desire is ridiculously harsh. Players can lose form or confidence and still be trying. His inability to last 90 minutes is an obvious concern but what I will say is that his hamstring and thigh have been heavily strapped since February. Maybe that plays a part. He’s had a tough spell for sure, as has Junho, but I’d be more confident of him coming through it than I would be of Jordan Thompson having 2 decent games on the trot or even 2 decent games in 10. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 20, 2024 11:29:50 GMT
He did do a few forward passes yesterday so I'll give him that.
Still don't him anywhere near the team if at all possible.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 20, 2024 11:34:11 GMT
I think he can play. I'll start with that. But for the money we have spent (at a time we have had our hands tied) he has been poor value so far and doesn't get in my team at the moment. There's a footballer in there, but I question his desire, his heart, and his fitness. The question I have is that he isn't anywhere near up to the speed of this league. In fact, I think he's more suited to playing a league higher how he plays. The points I have made are facts - he can't last games and is often trailing behind his man. Has he played well twice this season? has he influenced games? He does have a great name for an unveiling on social media and seems a nice lad, though. Questioning his heart and desire is ridiculously harsh. Players can lose form or confidence and still be trying. His inability to last 90 minutes is an obvious concern but what I will say is that his hamstring and thigh have been heavily strapped since February. Maybe that plays a part. He’s had a tough spell for sure, as has Junho, but I’d be more confident of him coming through it than I would be of Jordan Thompson having 2 decent games on the trot or even 2 decent games in 10. Does he ever bust a gut to recover and get goal side? Watch his recovery runs and watch his yellow cards. That's desire. Or, if he can't do that, get and stay goalside on transition. He has obvious talent, but there's a reason why he's playing at a bottom-half Championship side mate. Same with Junho - does some great things, but I question his end product, and whilst he's not in the side to tackle, he shits himself when the ball is even 80/20 in his favour. |
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Post by banksy1art on Oct 20, 2024 11:44:41 GMT
Thomsons always been a steady player. Why do our fans constantly get on the back of our own players?? you all end up eating your words in the end . |
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Post by jm on Oct 20, 2024 11:57:34 GMT
You really don’t rate Burger do you? I think he can play. I'll start with that. But for the money we have spent (at a time we have had our hands tied) he has been poor value so far and doesn't get in my team at the moment. There's a footballer in there, but I question his desire, his heart, and his fitness. The question I have is that he isn't anywhere near up to the speed of this league. In fact, I think he's more suited to playing a league higher how he plays. The points I have made are facts - he can't last games and is often trailing behind his man. Has he played well twice this season? has he influenced games? He does have a great name for an unveiling on social media and seems a nice lad, though. They're not facts - it's your opinion. Burger stats (facts) this season (before Norwich) are that he's completed 4 full 90's so far and is 4th in the squad for most minutes played. (Johansson 990, Wilmot 935, Bocat 880, Burger 804). |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2024 12:02:11 GMT
Questioning his heart and desire is ridiculously harsh. Players can lose form or confidence and still be trying. His inability to last 90 minutes is an obvious concern but what I will say is that his hamstring and thigh have been heavily strapped since February. Maybe that plays a part. He’s had a tough spell for sure, as has Junho, but I’d be more confident of him coming through it than I would be of Jordan Thompson having 2 decent games on the trot or even 2 decent games in 10. Does he ever bust a gut to recover and get goal side? Watch his recovery runs and watch his yellow cards. That's desire. Or, if he can't do that, get and stay goalside on transition. He has obvious talent, but there's a reason why he's playing at a bottom-half Championship side mate. Same with Junho - does some great things, but I question his end product, and whilst he's not in the side to tackle, he shits himself when the ball is even 80/20 in his favour. Coz his teammates are largely fucking useless is the obvious answer to why he’s playing in a bottom half championship team. He’s featured in teams alongside Jordan Thompson, junior tchamadeu, Luke McNally, jack Bonham and plenty of other shit that I try my best to forget about. Not to mention managers like Alex Neil and Steven Schumacher. He’s not playing particularly well I grant you. He’s not alone. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2024 12:03:25 GMT
I think he can play. I'll start with that. But for the money we have spent (at a time we have had our hands tied) he has been poor value so far and doesn't get in my team at the moment. There's a footballer in there, but I question his desire, his heart, and his fitness. The question I have is that he isn't anywhere near up to the speed of this league. In fact, I think he's more suited to playing a league higher how he plays. The points I have made are facts - he can't last games and is often trailing behind his man. Has he played well twice this season? has he influenced games? He does have a great name for an unveiling on social media and seems a nice lad, though. They're not facts - it's your opinion. Burger stats (facts) this season (before Norwich) are that he's completed 4 full 90's so far and is 4th in the squad for most minutes played. (Johansson 990, Wilmot 935, Bocat 880, Burger 804). Good facts sir! (If they are accurate) |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 20, 2024 12:06:40 GMT
Completing 4 out of 10 games is now seen as something positive and a sign he can last games? From our biggest signing who should be on the pitch all the time, apart from injury? Fair enough.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Oct 20, 2024 12:20:12 GMT
Burger is a better player than Thompson
Thompson did well when he came on to replace an injured Burger
I much prefer Burger in the defensive midfield role rather than playing further forward.
I was more concerned that Sidibe was not in the match day squad but I do not of course know whether he was not fully fit.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 20, 2024 12:22:34 GMT
Sol isn't getting enough football imho. rarely plays in 21's and rarely features in the first team. He'd be in my first team most weeks.
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Post by lordb on Oct 20, 2024 12:23:48 GMT
Is that because Thompson came on or because their best player went off? Both |
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Post by lordb on Oct 20, 2024 12:24:18 GMT
Burger is a better player than Thompson Thompson did well when he came on to replace an injured Burger I much prefer Burger in the defensive midfield role rather than playing further forward. I was more concerned that Sidibe was not in the match day squad but I do not of course know whether he was not fully fit. Been away with England |
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Post by lordb on Oct 20, 2024 12:24:37 GMT
Sol isn't getting enough football imho. rarely plays in 21's and rarely features in the first team. He'd be in my first team most weeks. Been away with England However would start him on Tuesday Suspect he won't |
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Post by cheadlestokie on Oct 20, 2024 12:27:13 GMT
Burger is a better player than Thompson Thompson did well when he came on to replace an injured Burger I much prefer Burger in the defensive midfield role rather than playing further forward. I was more concerned that Sidibe was not in the match day squad but I do not of course know whether he was not fully fit. Been away with England A few of the starters had also been away so that could not be the reason. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 20, 2024 12:29:54 GMT
A few of the starters had also been away so that could not be the reason. The difference is the age of the players. Dixon and Phillips (& Simkin who gave a goal away yesterday) also played for England However as above I think he should start in Tuesday but presume he won't |
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Post by cheadlestokie on Oct 20, 2024 12:32:39 GMT
A few of the starters had also been away so that could not be the reason. The difference is the age of the players. Dixon and Phillips (& Simkin who gave a goal away yesterday) also played for England However as above I think he should start in Tuesday but presume he won't Phillips on the bench. Dixon not likely to be in the squad. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 20, 2024 12:33:16 GMT
Sol isn't getting enough football imho. rarely plays in 21's and rarely features in the first team. He'd be in my first team most weeks. If he isn’t playing first team football for us he needs to go out on loan as soon as possible and at a higher level than Lowe is at. |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 20, 2024 12:53:36 GMT
Sol isn't getting enough football imho. rarely plays in 21's and rarely features in the first team. He'd be in my first team most weeks. If he isn’t playing first team football for us he needs to go out on loan as soon as possible and at a higher level than Lowe is at. fully agree |
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Post by wazbagsbro on Oct 21, 2024 7:34:33 GMT
Thomsons always been a steady player. Why do our fans constantly get on the back of our own players?? you all end up eating your words in the end . Thomson is not understood by another of Stoke fans for some reason |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 21, 2024 8:46:34 GMT
Completing 4 out of 10 games is now seen as something positive and a sign he can last games? From our biggest signing who should be on the pitch all the time, apart from injury? Fair enough. He got taken off v Swansea before he was sent off tbh. |
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