I'd have him back in a heartbeat, it will never happen. He was far from perfect but he gave me hope, I could see small improvements and he had the fans on side. This decision is going to haunt the club for a long time in my opinion.
Feels a bit like when Brum got rid of Eustace to appoint Rooney.
Gotta say that thought has crossed my mind aswell
And worryingly, Im not sure we’d have the bounceback that Brum are having, were we to drop
I would genuinely have him back. 7 wins in 10. Promotion and chances for our exciting youngsters. Got rid of the majority of the deadwood. Was building in the first foundations of a team we could really get behind. Was rebuilding the bond between the club and our fans. Need I say more?
Yes there were a few poor performances, but that was to be expected early days - for all that we were midtable and on a cup run, which is what we would have realistically wanted/expected from this season. It was hardly failing was it? And we gave Neil and Jones far longer even in the face of us going backwards at an alarming rate.
Sacked solely for the reason that it fed Walters ego, so he could have a cowardly stubborn yes man who would allow himself to be cuckolded by Walters on all matters tactical, recruitment etc.
So Jon, grow a pair, Sack off Walters and Pelach, get Schuey back as MANAGER (failing that Danny Rohl will be acceptable) then, if you wont sell the club, leave it to actual football people and not your friends and Sycophants! If you don't, you will be responsible for taking this club back to the dark days of third division football. And the longer you leave it, the worse it's going to be.
Feels a bit like when Brum got rid of Eustace to appoint Rooney.
Eustace had Birmingham up near the playoff places, Schumacher had us dropping towards the bottom. Apart from his win at Plymouth where there was probably more incentive for him to go all out for a win, he'd had a disastrous start to the season and I think he probably would have lost to both Hull and Middlesbrough too.
Come on, disastrous is not the word to describe the start to the season. We were sat in 16th having won 2 games and having progressed in the league cup.
A patchy start would be fair. But I'm also open minded to believe he was being undermined from within by someone who had other mad cap ideas.
And I still can't bend my head around the fact he was sacked after 7 wins in his last 10 competitive games if you include last seasons results. It wasn't the right time to sack a HC who most fans were prepared to give more time to. It was just a terrible decision that sadly has loaded immense pressure on an absolute novice. This will go down as one of our craziest fook ups ever. Its mental..
Yes, I was one of those who wasn't sure about Schuey, but I'm sure that this bloke isn't who I want. I can't do with the style of play that he's trying to install. I like attacking football with wingers. This playing around at the back comes with these embryo coaches trying to copy Pep. The sooner he goes the better. Him & Pep. There's a school of Coaches who all follow suit, so they can go as well, as far as I'm concerned.
I'd ask Mowbray to come here to sort things out, & yes, that may mean that Walters may go. No Manager is successful all of the time, but Mowbray had Sunderland playing the type of football that I like. He brings on the young players as well. We could then get a, dare I say it?, Schuey type Manager to carry it on after Mowbray. As I said, I'd sooner Schuey football than this go nowhere, square stuff. I feel a lot better after that. Oh, I won't be at the game on Wednesday, either. I'm a long-standing S.T. holder, but you can only stomach so much of square stuff. I'll ration myself.
OK, I'm sorry to do this BUT Jan 2024 we Lost 2-1 to Birmingham then we lost 3-1 to Sunderland Feb comes around and we lost 5-0 to Leicester that was followed by a 3-1 loss to Blackburn then we beat QPR but a loss to Coventry and then to Cardiff came next
Short memories I'm afraid.
All you’ve done there is ignore his first five games (unbeaten) and ignore the games post Cardiff (much improved results).
For fairness, his first 12 games saw 3 wins 3 draws and 6 losses and his next 12 saw 633 so arguably, he was turning things around. Nothing to do with short memories.
To be fair, all I've done is take the factual results of Jan/Feb 2024 which saw 1 win and 6 losses, not good in anyone's book after an average start. Obviously the wheels were coming off at that point well and truely. Odd tactics, odd post match interviews, a general 'caught in the headlights' air about it, random team selections and substitutions. Walters was brought in,did a pep talk, the team voiced wanting to play a different way to the manager's system in order to save the day (which happened) and we ambled into close season that saw us lose to Stockport County, narrowly beat Crewe with a couple of wins over lower league opposition. Thoroughly taught a lesson by Watford, West Brom etc humiliated by Oxford Oh and the kids got us through Cup rounds! I think we will have to agree to disagree that things were being turned around I'm afraid.
Completely ridiculous idea. For one thing it would mean getting rid of Walters and Pealch and probably ditching the new SD/HD structure (which isn't going to happen and would destabilise the club even more) and it's highly unlikely Shumacher would want to come back given what happened anyway.
Talking about ditching the new HC after 2 games is just petulant nonsense. It's going to take weeks to turn things round and the club will give him time even if the fans won't.
I would genuinely have him back. 7 wins in 10. Promotion and chances for our exciting youngsters. Got rid of the majority of the deadwood. Was building in the first foundations of a team we could really get behind. Was rebuilding the bond between the club and our fans. Need I say more?
Yes there were a few poor performances, but that was to be expected early days - for all that we were midtable and on a cup run, which is what we would have realistically wanted/expected from this season. It was hardly failing was it? And we gave Neil and Jones far longer even in the face of us going backwards at an alarming rate.
Sacked solely for the reason that it fed Walters ego, so he could have a cowardly stubborn yes man who would allow himself to be cuckolded by Walters on all matters tactical, recruitment etc.
So Jon, grow a pair, Sack off Walters and Pelach, get Schuey back as MANAGER (failing that Danny Rohl will be acceptable) then, if you wont sell the club, leave it to actual football people and not your friends and Sycophants! If you don't, you will be responsible for taking this club back to the dark days of third division football. And the longer you leave it, the worse it's going to be.
No thanks. He was as useless as those who have come before him. Lambert, Rowett, Jones, Neil, Schumacher. All terrible appointments who we should never have even considered in the first place. I suspect we'll soon be adding Palach to the list.
It makes for sorry reading.
ps...Danny Rohl turned us down in the Summer in favour of staying with Sheffield Wednesday!
Post by sharonbeech21 on Sept 30, 2024 11:01:54 GMT
I'm still angry about his sacking. It never should have happened. Would gladly have him back The players & fans both liked him and we played good football under him. Sacking Schuey is a big mistake and one.i feel we will regret. I truly believe that given a bit more time Schuey would have got.things right.❤🤍
I would genuinely have him back. 7 wins in 10. Promotion and chances for our exciting youngsters. Got rid of the majority of the deadwood. Was building in the first foundations of a team we could really get behind. Was rebuilding the bond between the club and our fans. Need I say more?
Yes there were a few poor performances, but that was to be expected early days - for all that we were midtable and on a cup run, which is what we would have realistically wanted/expected from this season. It was hardly failing was it? And we gave Neil and Jones far longer even in the face of us going backwards at an alarming rate.
Sacked solely for the reason that it fed Walters ego, so he could have a cowardly stubborn yes man who would allow himself to be cuckolded by Walters on all matters tactical, recruitment etc.
So Jon, grow a pair, Sack off Walters and Pelach, get Schuey back as MANAGER (failing that Danny Rohl will be acceptable) then, if you wont sell the club, leave it to actual football people and not your friends and Sycophants! If you don't, you will be responsible for taking this club back to the dark days of third division football. And the longer you leave it, the worse it's going to be.
No thanks. He was as useless as those who have come before him. Lambert, Rowett, Jones, Neil, Schumacher. All terrible appointments who we should never have even considered in the first place. I suspect we'll soon be adding Palach to the list.
It makes for sorry reading.
ps...Danny Rohl turned us down in the Summer in favour of staying with Sheffield Wednesday!
Rohl has a completely different style to Pelach doesn't he? We've got no plans at all
No thanks. He was as useless as those who have come before him. Lambert, Rowett, Jones, Neil, Schumacher. All terrible appointments who we should never have even considered in the first place. I suspect we'll soon be adding Palach to the list.
It makes for sorry reading.
ps...Danny Rohl turned us down in the Summer in favour of staying with Sheffield Wednesday!
Rohl has a completely different style to Pelach doesn't he? We've got no plans at all
Is that correct about Rohl? If it is then absolutely there is no plan, completely different football to Palach Would also not work but for different reasons
Completely ridiculous idea. For one thing it would mean getting rid of Walters and Pealch and probably ditching the new SD/HD structure (which isn't going to happen and would destabilise the club even more) and it's highly unlikely Shumacher would want to come back given what happened anyway.
Talking about ditching the new HC after 2 games is just petulant nonsense. It's going to take weeks to turn things round and the club will give him time even if the fans won't.
It's taken Carlos Corberan 2 years to get West Brom to where they are, Clearly we're no going to give Pelach that time to build something.
Completely ridiculous idea. For one thing it would mean getting rid of Walters and Pealch and probably ditching the new SD/HD structure (which isn't going to happen and would destabilise the club even more) and it's highly unlikely Shumacher would want to come back given what happened anyway.
Talking about ditching the new HC after 2 games is just petulant nonsense. It's going to take weeks to turn things round and the club will give him time even if the fans won't.
If his name had been Dave Smith, with the same career Pelach has had, we wouldn't have batted an eyelid at him.
OK, I'm sorry to do this BUT Jan 2024 we Lost 2-1 to Birmingham then we lost 3-1 to Sunderland Feb comes around and we lost 5-0 to Leicester that was followed by a 3-1 loss to Blackburn then we beat QPR but a loss to Coventry and then to Cardiff came next
Short memories I'm afraid.
Indeed. And say we had SS back and he goes and loses a few games playing awful football - which given how clueless he was tactically is highly possible - what would the pro SS mob say then? "Let's get Michael O'Neil back?"
Surely if you think Schumacher was harshly treated you shouldn’t be calling for Pelach to be sacked after two games?
That's a fair comment. However what Walters has done is create a crazy situation where we now have a total novice in one of the hottest most toxic roles in English football. This HC/manager role is for somebody with a decent body of work showing they can handle intense situations like the one we are in. I feel sorry for Pelach. He's effectively been thrown to the wolves on a prayer that he might magically turn us into an Aldi version of Barcelona but without the players to do it. If by some miracle he can do it then blow me we'll have landed on an absolute genius..
Rohl has a completely different style to Pelach doesn't he? We've got no plans at all
Is that correct about Rohl? If it is then absolutely there is no plan, completely different football to Palach Would also not work but for different reasons
Exactly. So which manager did we have in mind when we recruited all these players in the summer? It clearly wasn't Schumacher because he only seemed to want Plymouth players and Cundle. It clearly wasn't Pelach because he's a taki taka merchant obsessed with fitness, and it clearly wasn't Rohl because other than Gallagher they're all midgets.
Perhaps the plan all along was to fire Schumacher, bring in someone else totally inappropriate for a bit and then fire him too. Then by that time Tony Mowbray, who might actually be able to get a tune out of some of the kids, will be fully recovered from his illness and can ride into town like a saviour cowboy on a total footballing horse.
All the while, we are lulling the rest of the Championship into a false sense of security.
Completely ridiculous idea. For one thing it would mean getting rid of Walters and Pealch and probably ditching the new SD/HD structure (which isn't going to happen and would destabilise the club even more) and it's highly unlikely Shumacher would want to come back given what happened anyway.
Talking about ditching the new HC after 2 games is just petulant nonsense. It's going to take weeks to turn things round and the club will give him time even if the fans won't.
It's taken Carlos Corberan 2 years to get West Brom to where they are, Clearly we're no going to give Pelach that time to build something.
And that's why West Brom are they are and we won't be unless we do the same. This instant success bollocks is killing us - call to sack the new HC after two games is the natural conclusion to this lunacy.
Post by biddulphchav on Sept 30, 2024 12:35:55 GMT
If this manager has anything about him, he’ll tweak his style so it works with what we have in our squad. If he refuses to do adjust, he will inevitably be sacked and we’ll move on. Nobody knows anything about what sort of approach he’ll take. What we do know is that SS, as likeable as he was, was serving up shite like Oxford away despite more than half a season in charge. We were going nowhere with him and I don’t think he showed enough for us to want to stick with him, and it was only a matter of time before he got the boot. I also think he may not have been on board with the recruitment strategy we are moving to and was stinking the place out because we didn’t sign Cundle. He showed as much by insisting on Ennis, who is a league 2 player he’s used instead of Tezgel.
Eustace had Birmingham up near the playoff places, Schumacher had us dropping towards the bottom. Apart from his win at Plymouth where there was probably more incentive for him to go all out for a win, he'd had a disastrous start to the season and I think he probably would have lost to both Hull and Middlesbrough too.
Garbage, we won 4 games two in the league and two in the cup. We were mid table
The cup games were against lower league opposition and Middlesborough's youth team. Look at the form table, we were on the way down. We had one fortunate win against a Coventry team who are one of four teams below us and one against Plymouth who at the time hadn't won a game and had players who Schumacher knew. I was sad to see him go but Schumacher wasn't looking like he was improving us, if anything our form was getting worse. He certainly wasn't getting the consistency you need to be up near the playoffs.
It's taken Carlos Corberan 2 years to get West Brom to where they are, Clearly we're no going to give Pelach that time to build something.
And that's why West Brom are they are and we won't be unless we do the same. This instant success bollocks is killing us - call to sack the new HC after two games is the natural conclusion to this lunacy.
And the lunacy lies where, for me it’s down to John Coates for the last 7/8 years, lately giving the keys to the city to an inexperienced DOF and John Walters for gambling big time on a profoundly inexperienced HC rather than work with Schumacher whom, it appears, he has undermined from day 1. Even if this was not the case the timing of the sacking was the very definition of lunacy.
And that's why West Brom are they are and we won't be unless we do the same. This instant success bollocks is killing us - call to sack the new HC after two games is the natural conclusion to this lunacy.
And the lunacy lies where, for me it’s down to John Coates for the last 7/8 years, lately giving the keys to the city to an inexperienced DOF and John Walters for gambling big time on a profoundly inexperienced HC rather than work with Schumacher whom, it appears, he has undermined from day 1. Even if this was not the case the timing of the sacking was the very definition of lunacy.
'Undermined'? It seems that the rumour-mongering is becoming gospel.
SS wasn’t the new messiah some make him out to have been- but- he certainly did not deserve to go- as abject as we had been this season bar boro away. He deserved more time, and I much preferred his style of play.
But- I’m of the view that he was never going to be the one to take us up. As such I thought at the time I could, slightly, understand why they thought let’s move on quickly. But never, ever, did I think the club would go on to make such a batshit crazy appointment like this.
Pelach won’t last til Xmas. The way he’s set us with the players we have is naive and he’s shown his arse as the inexperienced manager he is instantly. The only hope is that walters goes with him- this is all his clusterfuck. JC needs to have a long hard look at himself. Fan? If he is he can’t be happy. John Coates has been the biggest disaster this club has had since the butler street roof blew off.
Garbage, we won 4 games two in the league and two in the cup. We were mid table
The cup games were against lower league opposition and Middlesborough's youth team. Look at the form table, we were on the way down. We had one fortunate win against a Coventry team who are one of four teams below us and one against Plymouth who at the time hadn't won a game and had players who Schumacher knew. I was sad to see him go but Schumacher wasn't looking like he was improving us, if anything our form was getting worse. He certainly wasn't getting the consistency you need to be up near the playoffs.
But nobody was really expecting the play offs with Schumacher. Its was supposedly a project to build a young dynamic side. And he had to deal with a lot of turmoil given the last 7 terrible years. I'll agree he wasn't smashing it but he was doing enough to justify this being a gradual reset for a brighter future.
Whichever way I try and look at how this has unfolded its just plain wrong. And because of that Walters has sent this young lad into the lions den where he's either going to slay the lions or get consumed by them. This in hindsight will be looked at with total incredulity. And we'll be asking what the fook did you do that for Walters.
For now though I'll get behind Pelach 100%. I want him to smash it. But we have to be honest and say that given where we are and how the last 8 years have panned out it will be a miracle if this works. Lets hope he can get a decent win on Wednesday to give the poor fucker some breathing space 🙏
Is that correct about Rohl? If it is then absolutely there is no plan, completely different football to Palach Would also not work but for different reasons
Exactly. So which manager did we have in mind when we recruited all these players in the summer? It clearly wasn't Schumacher because he only seemed to want Plymouth players and Cundle. It clearly wasn't Pelach because he's a taki taka merchant obsessed with fitness, and it clearly wasn't Rohl because other than Gallagher they're all midgets.
Perhaps the plan all along was to fire Schumacher, bring in someone else totally inappropriate for a bit and then fire him too. Then by that time Tony Mowbray, who might actually be able to get a tune out of some of the kids, will be fully recovered from his illness and can ride into town like a saviour cowboy on a total footballing horse.
All the while, we are lulling the rest of the Championship into a false sense of security.
Exactly. So which manager did we have in mind when we recruited all these players in the summer? It clearly wasn't Schumacher because he only seemed to want Plymouth players and Cundle. It clearly wasn't Pelach because he's a taki taka merchant obsessed with fitness, and it clearly wasn't Rohl because other than Gallagher they're all midgets.
Perhaps the plan all along was to fire Schumacher, bring in someone else totally inappropriate for a bit and then fire him too. Then by that time Tony Mowbray, who might actually be able to get a tune out of some of the kids, will be fully recovered from his illness and can ride into town like a saviour cowboy on a total footballing horse.
All the while, we are lulling the rest of the Championship into a false sense of security.
4D chess!
Just had to look that up but yes! Certainly a quicker way of explaining what I meant.
And the lunacy lies where, for me it’s down to John Coates for the last 7/8 years, lately giving the keys to the city to an inexperienced DOF and John Walters for gambling big time on a profoundly inexperienced HC rather than work with Schumacher whom, it appears, he has undermined from day 1. Even if this was not the case the timing of the sacking was the very definition of lunacy.
'Undermined'? It seems that the rumour-mongering is becoming gospel.
You might have noticed I said “appears” and “even if not”, I’m very careful with my language when it comes to rumours! Try reading what I actually said.
