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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 29, 2024 22:27:37 GMT
SS was popular with fans and players alike and doing just about okay. 7 wins in his last 10 is factual, but stretching the truth a little. To get to that you need to bundle in few dead rubbers from the fag end of last season and a couple of League Cup ties this season. Still, better than Narcis 0 from 2. What did you see this season that makes you think we would have won the last two games? Take out the mini run last season when the teams we played were already on a summer break we have been losing these sort of games under Schumacher. |
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Post by Gods on Sept 29, 2024 22:30:46 GMT
SS was popular with fans and players alike and doing just about okay. 7 wins in his last 10 is factual, but stretching the truth a little. To get to that you need to bundle in few dead rubbers from the fag end of last season and a couple of League Cup ties this season. Still, better than Narcis 0 from 2. What did you see this season that makes you think we would have won the last two games? Take out the mini run last season when the teams we played were already on a summer break we have been losing these sort of games under Schumacher. I never suggested we would have won these 2 games. I just presented the facts as they are. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 29, 2024 23:20:21 GMT
What did you see this season that makes you think we would have won the last two games? Take out the mini run last season when the teams we played were already on a summer break we have been losing these sort of games under Schumacher. I never suggested we would have won these 2 games. I just presented the facts as they are. And the form table shows that we have lost 5 of the last 6 so SS had lost three out of his last four. It's funny how reputations on here are enhanced once the person has left. It also seems that Baker and Laurent would be saving us but I didn't see people saying that when they were here. |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 30, 2024 0:38:34 GMT
Dropping into the relegation zone for the first time in the Championship was progress? Nathan Jones had us in there for a while no? We were rock bottom when MON took over |
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Post by figo85 on Sept 30, 2024 2:39:41 GMT
Would you come back if you were in his shoes ? I wouldn’t spit on the place if it was on fire after the shit show they’ve just pulled. There’s a very good chance the club has massively shit the bed and now they’re going to have to lie in it.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 30, 2024 3:29:48 GMT
Would you come back if you were in his shoes ? I wouldn’t spit on the place if it was on fire after the shit show they’ve just pulled. There’s a very good chance the club has massively shit the bed and now they’re going to have to lie in it. Of course he's not coming back! If you were a coach with decent championship prospects would you sign after seeing what we did to Schuey? I only would if the contract guaranteed a massive payout since the club have shown they're unpredictable and there's little upside.
I'm gonna get behind Narcis for a few more games at least. He tried something new on Saturday and it was shit but he'd only had a week really and it happens. |
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Post by robstokie on Sept 30, 2024 5:16:13 GMT
Would you come back if you were in his shoes ? I wouldn’t spit on the place if it was on fire after the shit show they’ve just pulled. There’s a very good chance the club has massively shit the bed and now they’re going to have to lie in it. Of course he's not coming back! If you were a coach with decent championship prospects would you sign after seeing what we did to Schuey? I only would if the contract guaranteed a massive payout since the club have shown they're unpredictable and there's little upside. I'm gonna get behind Narcis for a few more games at least. He tried something new on Saturday and it was shit but he'd only had a week really and it happens. It's not unprecedented for it to happen - TP and Lou have both returned, albeit in different circumstances. For it to happen, Walters will need to be fucked off as well as Pelach (obviously) and Coates is going to have to eat some humble pie. Cundle wrapped in a bow would help too! Weirder things have happened though. |
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Post by Waggy on Sept 30, 2024 5:37:46 GMT
Should not have been sacked. Some say his tactics are not up to scratch, for me, I can understand why he played Gooch v Oxford because he is a runner and battler and he has been provided just attacking midfielders by Mr Walters and that type of match needed a battler. West Brom it was clear he made a mistake with tactics but we still had a lot of attacks in that game and hit the post twice.
Overall I thought we were building something and would improve this season, Schumacher admitted he is still learning about how to handle things. Remember when he came in he had to deal with egos from the start- Mmaee, Vidigal and dealt with it very well.
Pelach needs to move on now from the Middlesbrough game and on Wednesday he needs to get the team up for it and attacking from the off. If we start the match tip tapping about at the back and slowing pace down then I’m afraid he could face a barrage of abuse. English fans are different than Spanish, we want to see passion and grit, Southgate proved this with his boring football that if we got to a final playing with more attacking and passion the fans would have been on a high knowing they went all out for the win.
Yes, I would have Schumacher back but it will not happen unless a big clear out at the top, so we need to accept this and move on. If he came back with another club, I’m sure he would get a great reception from the fans.
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Post by jokker on Sept 30, 2024 6:30:42 GMT
Got rid of the majority of the deadwood. It was Not So Super Jon Walters who got rid of the deadwood this summer, this being part of his job. Schuhmacher, being head coach, was allowed to concentrate on coaching, but, apparently was considered deadwood too and was relieved of his duties. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 30, 2024 6:33:50 GMT
He's not coming back despite alot of us wanting him, if he did then Walters and possibly Coates jnr would be out which isn't happening
I just don't understand what the hell is happening, we've replaced a young good up an and coming coach with limited experience with one with zero experience, all that to manage an inexperienced squad, it's fucking madness and what is going through Coates mind we will never know
I think this top the lot of stupid decisions in the last 6 or 7 years. Usually they've been paying over the odds for shit half arsed players.
Like many after going home amd away for many seasons I'm pretty disillusioned with things right now
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Post by idle on Sept 30, 2024 6:58:14 GMT
I never suggested we would have won these 2 games. I just presented the facts as they are. And the form table shows that we have lost 5 of the last 6 so SS had lost three out of his last four. It's funny how reputations on here are enhanced once the person has left. It also seems that Baker and Laurent would be saving us but I didn't see people saying that when they were here. Isn't that Benji only? I've not seen anyone else wanting those two back. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 30, 2024 6:58:42 GMT
SS was a win one lose one sort of manager and that was not good enough although yes it’s better than what we have now.
I like most was shocked when he got sacked but
I just don’t get all this love in for ss he was average.
We need better than mediocrity.
Let’s see what unfolds
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 30, 2024 7:05:43 GMT
Our supporters are as daft/mental as the management of this club.One game of being in total control and people want the coach out.The guy will obviously lose his job and we will be back to square one by christmas,hounded out by the fans.
Utterly mental.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 30, 2024 7:06:38 GMT
it will never happen
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Post by questionable on Sept 30, 2024 7:09:44 GMT
Let’s not kid ourselves that this is just a manager, coach problem or whatever they’re called now as it’s a totally dysfunctional club from top to bottom and has been for years and crazily getting worse and way beyond fixing in it’s current set up.
How on earth can people keep finding jobs here, it is what it is will go down in Stoke folk law, can you imagine the players making their way to training today getting piss wet through to basically have a tap around to one another then expected to mirror this on Wednesday.
Schumacher was a poor appointment but Christ above this new bloke is a calamity compared to Schumacher
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 30, 2024 7:16:17 GMT
SS was a win one lose one sort of manager and that was not good enough although yes it’s better than what we have now. I like most was shocked when he got sacked but I just don’t get all this love in for ss he was average. We need better than mediocrity. Let’s see what unfolds Totally agree, I liked SS as a man and wanted him to succeed but deep down I knew his tactics just weren't good enough. NP....I'm still in shock and worried weve given the reins to someone with zero experience and who promised to get a style to suit our players then try to get Ben wilmot to play a passing game. Although I suppose we gave the DoF role to someone with no experience either We need more than just mediocrity. |
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Post by furry on Sept 30, 2024 7:19:10 GMT
Should try Michael Schumacher he's a born winner. Will have the drive to succeed, turn the corner and put the brakes on our alarming skid down the table. He'll have us accelerating up the table overtaking West Brom and up into pole position.🏁
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 30, 2024 7:23:24 GMT
SS was a win one lose one sort of manager and that was not good enough although yes it’s better than what we have now. I like most was shocked when he got sacked but I just don’t get all this love in for ss he was average. We need better than mediocrity. Let’s see what unfolds Totally agree, I liked SS as a man and wanted him to succeed but deep down I knew his tactics just weren't good enough. NP....I'm still in shock and worried weve given the reins to someone with zero experience and who promised to get a style to suit our players then try to get Ben wilmot to play a passing game. Although I suppose we gave the DoF role to someone with no experience either We need more than just mediocrity. He wasn’t good enough mate I also liked the guy and really wanted him to push on but some of his decisions were mad. I was shocked we appointed NP who only had coaching experience but was holding on to the fact that coberan was the same and for me he’s now the best manager in the championship so was hoping in NP we could find the same. Time will tell I guess |
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Post by starkiller on Sept 30, 2024 7:36:27 GMT
If we having managers back, I'd have MON back instead. He was the bloke most restricted by circumstances with transfers and squad, yet was the best of the lot in the championship.
Plus he had a better song.
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Post by lordb on Sept 30, 2024 7:39:18 GMT
If we having managers back, I'd have MON back instead. He was the bloke most restricted by circumstances with transfers and squad, yet was the best of the lot in the championship. Plus he had a better song. Would have him back to replace Walters as Director Of Football Cousins recruitment was good too |
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 30, 2024 7:39:48 GMT
If we having managers back, I'd have MON back instead. He was the bloke most restricted by circumstances with transfers and squad, yet was the best of the lot in the championship. Plus he had a better song. Absolutely, by far and away the best we’ve had since relegation. SS was average and created half of his own problems. There was a lot of shite sandwiched between 2 decent short runs while he was here. Reading this site you’d think he was the second coming of Christ, when in fact he was very average |
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Post by fradleyhomes on Sept 30, 2024 7:45:11 GMT
I'd have him back in a heartbeat, it will never happen.
He was far from perfect but he gave me hope, I could see small improvements and he had the fans on side.
This decision is going to haunt the club for a long time in my opinion.
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 30, 2024 7:46:38 GMT
I'd have him back in a heartbeat, it will never happen. He was far from perfect but he gave me hope, I could see small improvements and he had the fans on side. This decision is going to haunt the club for a long time in my opinion. Feels a bit like when Brum got rid of Eustace to appoint Rooney. |
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Post by pez75 on Sept 30, 2024 7:47:57 GMT
He's gone people - move on.
We will never know what would have happened had he stayed (more lower table mediocrity in my crystal ball) but I'm not shedding too many tears. SS didnt know his best XI or his best formation. He was bluffing from game to game tbh and after some time it became apparent that he was tactically inept, and his in-game management was truly awful.
Whether we like it or not SJW & NP are the forseeable future so strap yourselves in for a bumpy ride!
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Post by telfordstokie on Sept 30, 2024 7:55:47 GMT
You can’t turn back time - was wrong decision to get rid but he’s not coming back. Either Pèlach comes good soon or we press the button one more time and go for a Mowbray type to salvage the season.
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Post by hcstokie on Sept 30, 2024 8:07:46 GMT
Should try Michael Schumacher he's a born winner. Will have the drive to succeed, turn the corner and put the brakes on our alarming skid down the table. He'll have us accelerating up the table overtaking West Brom and up into pole position.🏁 History suggests he doesn’t cope particularly well when things are going downhill. |
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Post by stokesupporter on Sept 30, 2024 8:13:03 GMT
Our supporters are as daft/mental as the management of this club.One game of being in total control and people want the coach out.The guy will obviously lose his job and we will be back to square one by christmas,hounded out by the fans. Utterly mental. It's not about how long he's been here, it's about the manner we lost those two games. |
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Post by andromeda on Sept 30, 2024 8:39:42 GMT
Seemed a daft decision to get rid at that time, would be even more daft to bring him back now. So will probably happen 😂
Seriously though I don’t think there is anything he did to suggest he would get us promoted and I personally wouldn’t go back. But who the right person is god knows. Just hope the current incumbent shows more than he has in the first couple of games. I will give him 10 games to show improvements in both performance and results before forming a judgement.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 30, 2024 10:17:19 GMT
I'd have him back in a heartbeat, it will never happen. He was far from perfect but he gave me hope, I could see small improvements and he had the fans on side. This decision is going to haunt the club for a long time in my opinion. Feels a bit like when Brum got rid of Eustace to appoint Rooney. Eustace had Birmingham up near the playoff places, Schumacher had us dropping towards the bottom. Apart from his win at Plymouth where there was probably more incentive for him to go all out for a win, he'd had a disastrous start to the season and I think he probably would have lost to both Hull and Middlesbrough too. |
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Post by senojbor on Sept 30, 2024 10:21:14 GMT
Feels a bit like when Brum got rid of Eustace to appoint Rooney. Eustace had Birmingham up near the playoff places, Schumacher had us dropping towards the bottom. Apart from his win at Plymouth where there was probably more incentive for him to go all out for a win, he'd had a disastrous start to the season and I think he probably would have lost to both Hull and Middlesbrough too. Garbage, we won 4 games two in the league and two in the cup. We were mid table |
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