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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 21, 2024 22:05:11 GMT
When we appointed SS we were able to see his record at Plymouth, this was really important in making a judgement about him. Even if we appointed a Premier League manager of their under 23 team we would be able see evidence of performance. With NP we've appointed someone with no previous record of being a team manager, and despite him being called Head Coach he is in reality the team manager. So we're completely in the dark as to what is likely to happen, we have little choice but to give him time and hope he comes good. It’s been quoted in a thread somewhere on this board that he’s got an awful track record as manager…. Sounds about right for us then! We’ll never learn…. Until Coates fucks off we’re only going one way and it ain’t up In tier 3 of French leagues he didn’t do badly in his early coaching career, as assistant at Girona in tier 2 he 2 decent seasons followed by Huddersfield where he was interim manager for 3 days before moving to Norwich as assistant. I think his career is too embryonic to judge him on past record tbh. But predicting his downfall after 1 game is pure oatcake. |
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Post by PottersBrim on Sept 21, 2024 22:09:33 GMT
It’s been quoted in a thread somewhere on this board that he’s got an awful track record as manager…. Sounds about right for us then! We’ll never learn…. Until Coates fucks off we’re only going one way and it ain’t up In tier 3 of French leagues he didn’t do badly in his early coaching career, as assistant at Girona in tier 2 he 2 decent seasons followed by Huddersfield where he was interim manager for 3 days before moving to Norwich as assistant. I think his career is too embryonic to judge him on past record tbh. But predicting his downfall after 1 game is pure oatcake. He’s never coached in France. |
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 21, 2024 23:28:23 GMT
I haven't changed my mind after the game on Friday. I think he is a very good coach and he will be good for Stoke.
There are some major things to address. Firstly, the lack of fitness which he will require for the type of game he wants to play. That will take a bit of time.
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 22, 2024 4:11:50 GMT
Agree - if this coaching team is ALLOWED to coach, I can see things getting better.
Sh*t, I dropped one of those mushrooms, hang on...
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Post by starkiller on Sept 22, 2024 4:56:17 GMT
Enthusiasm got in the way of sense. Tried to do too much too soon.
Should introduce his own ideas gradually.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 22, 2024 9:06:31 GMT
In tier 3 of French leagues he didn’t do badly in his early coaching career, as assistant at Girona in tier 2 he 2 decent seasons followed by Huddersfield where he was interim manager for 3 days before moving to Norwich as assistant. I think his career is too embryonic to judge him on past record tbh. But predicting his downfall after 1 game is pure oatcake. He’s never coached in France. His career from Wiki says he had 3 coaching jobs in France at various levels Attachment Deleted |
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Post by PottersBrim on Sept 22, 2024 9:22:32 GMT
He’s never coached in France. His career from Wiki says he had 3 coaching jobs in France at various levels View AttachmentThey are all in Spain I think? |
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Post by thornestein on Sept 22, 2024 9:25:16 GMT
He’s never coached in France. His career from Wiki says he had 3 coaching jobs in France at various levels View AttachmentGeography not your forte i take it ? |
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Post by spoton on Sept 22, 2024 9:30:12 GMT
It's a difficult one to say regarding rating unfortunately there are players that can be coached into playing a different way but trying to get say a player or player's to play from the back who just can't play the passing way then any coach will fail
Some players just can't do it they would kick it out or just kick the long ball,I question if Shawcross could pass it around comfortably he would rather kick the diagonal ball but he was solid defensively,
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 22, 2024 9:40:29 GMT
His career from Wiki says he had 3 coaching jobs in France at various levels View AttachmentThey are all in Spain I think? Yep Spain not France oops. |
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Post by stokemark on Sept 22, 2024 9:41:38 GMT
He’s never coached in France. His career from Wiki says he had 3 coaching jobs in France at various levels View AttachmentThey are all in Spain (Catalonia) |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 22, 2024 9:42:44 GMT
His career from Wiki says he had 3 coaching jobs in France at various levels View AttachmentGeography not your forte i take it ? My god you’re right. 34 years travelling the world in RN clearly not a recommendation then. I wasn’t a navigator thank goodness.  |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 22, 2024 9:46:15 GMT
His career from Wiki says he had 3 coaching jobs in France at various levels View AttachmentThey are all in Spain (Catalonia) All right, all right you’ve all made your point. I was wrong. But France did once invade Spain under Napoleon but a little before Chico's time. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 22, 2024 11:23:56 GMT
It's a difficult one to say regarding rating unfortunately there are players that can be coached into playing a different way but trying to get say a player or player's to play from the back who just can't play the passing way then any coach will fail Some players just can't do it they would kick it out or just kick the long ball,I question if Shawcross could pass it around comfortably he would rather kick the diagonal ball but he was solid defensively, He has said that the first two goals came about because instead of passing out wide we tried to go down the middle. Makes sense to have that simple rule and should be understood by most players. Which begs the question, if that was what they had been told, what on earth was Junior doing early in the first half when he skied his clearance right onto the centre edge of his own box. Is his technique that bad or did he forget which side he was on? |
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Post by loosestools on Sept 22, 2024 11:39:38 GMT
I hope that he adopts a simple approach and does not try to fill the players heads with psycho babble and 20 volumes of football tactics. Our lot are not all university challenge standard.
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 22, 2024 13:10:33 GMT
I don't give a toss, he plays Koumas outside and Manhoef inside, then puts Tezgel on the outside not a clue. Basic mistakes. He dressed like a prat, he looked lost in the technical area. We hear about a wonderful coach, we believe. If he is so brilliant have a look at his record. Nothing as a coach, nothing as a manager. His record is no better than yours or mine. Sorry, he was rubbish last night. Walters' interference has knocked the club so far back that we are looking forward to a relegation battle. Coates and Walters, along with the new coach need to go now, and Schumacher needs reinstating. If you think I'm a typical moaner I'm not, take a look at my statements in posts and replies. I've had loads of stick for defending players, managers and tactics. I have one theme that runs through all, and that is give the manager time. Every manager needs time, Schumacher didn't get that luxury. Think about it, seven wins in ten games, who was the last manager to achieve that. Coates and Walters have turned the club into a joke, an embarrassment, and must go. Do some research and have a look at the Fleetwood connection. It may surprise you. What has the way he dresses have to do with anything 😂 Tells you about his character and approach to the job. |
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 22, 2024 13:14:43 GMT
I hope that he adopts a simple approach and does not try to fill the players heads with psycho babble and 20 volumes of football tactics. Our lot are not all university challenge standard. That's my worry. At the end of the day our players are basic Championship ones and things need to be kept simple. Such as the goalee taking a goal kick. Right now I'd prefer Colin or Big Sam in charge than someone trying to turn Wilmot into Laporte. |
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Post by thornestein on Sept 22, 2024 13:30:24 GMT
What has the way he dresses have to do with anything 😂 Tells you about his character and approach to the job. utter bullshit 😂🤣🤣😂 |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 22, 2024 14:04:58 GMT
Tells you about his character and approach to the job. utter bullshit 😂🤣🤣😂 Dresses very like Pep and grooms like Arteta so perhaps a cross of the two? |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 22, 2024 14:35:04 GMT
What has the way he dresses have to do with anything 😂 Tells you about his character and approach to the job. Not really, what does someone in a tracksuit say about them or approach to the job? |
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 22, 2024 14:57:57 GMT
Dresses very like Pep and grooms like Arteta so perhaps a cross of the two? That's a great observation. Reckon he smells nice too. He's going to be awesome I tell thee. Next Barcelona manager nailed on. 👍👍 |
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Post by silverdollar on Sept 22, 2024 15:41:20 GMT
Pelach had worked very hard to establish himself as a respected coach amongst professionals. As an individual he has demonstrated a very good work ethic and an eagerness to learn. I do not believe that Stoke City are the extent of his ambition but he will see Stoke City as a club where he can make his mark. The situation requires fans to give him time and support. I'm sure he would be 100% wanting to try for promotion. That is a very difficult target looking at the competition this season and fans need to get realistic!
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 22, 2024 15:49:41 GMT
Tells you about his character and approach to the job. Not really, what does someone in a tracksuit say about them or approach to the job? I can't imagine being sat in the changing room listening to some guy dressed for a pub lunch and taking him seriously. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 22, 2024 15:51:16 GMT
Tells you about his character and approach to the job. utter bullshit 😂🤣🤣😂 You wanna bet. It's about the psyche. |
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Post by clivey05 on Sept 22, 2024 16:05:33 GMT
My biggest concern about the whole of that match was the fact he thought putting Tezgal on right wing was the best decision for our first sub.
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Post by mamathestriker on Sept 22, 2024 16:08:58 GMT
I still think being a good coach and manager are completely different things.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 22, 2024 16:35:47 GMT
I still think being a good coach and manager are completely different things. I'm half wondering whether Walters thinks he's actually the manager 🤔 🙄 |
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Post by noustie on Sept 22, 2024 16:51:35 GMT
Too soon but dressing like he has a platinum Jacamo membership and is on his way to a conference on orienteering has me worried being honest
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 22, 2024 17:01:01 GMT
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+trying something new with Manhoeff
- for not noticing Junior needed help quick enough.
- for thinking Tezgel would be that help (it was however the right thing not to put Manhoeff out there)
- not using the squad very well at all (I can excuse Sidibe to some extent as he played a full 90 Tuesday)
-for taking Koumas off but allowing Cannon to carry on.
- for keeping going long to cannon who didn’t win a header all game.
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Post by onepara on Sept 22, 2024 17:12:28 GMT
Dresses very like Pep and grooms like Arteta so perhaps a cross of the two? So he's a cross-dresser? |
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