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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 21, 2024 8:51:13 GMT
Won’t make Christmas.
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 21, 2024 10:22:42 GMT
When we appointed SS we were able to see his record at Plymouth, this was really important in making a judgement about him. Even if we appointed a Premier League manager of their under 23 team we would be able see evidence of performance. With NP we've appointed someone with no previous record of being a team manager, and despite him being called Head Coach he is in reality the team manager. So we're completely in the dark as to what is likely to happen, we have little choice but to give him time and hope he comes good. It’s been quoted in a thread somewhere on this board that he’s got an awful track record as manager…. Sounds about right for us then! We’ll never learn…. Until Coates fucks off we’re only going one way and it ain’t up |
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 21, 2024 10:41:56 GMT
3/10 The team was unbalanced throughout. The substitution of Koumas and Tezgel was ridiculous. The lack of response to Millar coming on for Hull cost us 3 goals. Wasted time with further pointless substitions. Bizarre interview. It's hard to remember a less convincing first game in charge (Rowett?). This. Saves me the bother. OS. |
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 21, 2024 10:48:08 GMT
He might have had a few games in Spain where he was manager but can't find any stats on that.
For me there are two main issues, have we got the players too deliver a play off position, and have we got the manager to deliver it?
We have a Sporting Director who has little previous experience of the role, same with the manager.
There is no way of knowing how this will work out, we might have an idea by Christmas.
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 21, 2024 13:18:22 GMT
0 - I'm sorry but there was nothing in that game that I believe the manager influenced. I observed him in the technical area. Coaches backwards and forwards, talking to the manager. The manager looked lost, like a Sunday boys league manager. I have little belief that things will change.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 21, 2024 13:24:09 GMT
Anyone who thinks Jordan Thompson should start gets a 0 from me Pathetic post. At least he does his best. He's head and shoulders above Burger atm. Why do some fans have such an agenda against him? At least he cares and puts his body on the line. He is a limited footballer but more valuable to the team than he is given credit for. |
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Post by willieeetmiout on Sept 21, 2024 13:32:28 GMT
Anyone who thinks Jordan Thompson should start gets a 0 from me Pathetic post. At least he does his best. He's head and shoulders above Burger atm. Why do some fans have such an agenda against him? At least he cares and puts his body on the line. He is a limited footballer but more valuable to the team than he is given credit for. He's a completely anonymous defensive midfielder. He does nothing other than support the back 4 and can't even do that which is why he is so woeful. 5 years he's been here and you struggle to find one game where is had been decent. |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 21, 2024 13:42:49 GMT
6 from me (considering it was his first game in charge). First half good.. but you don't defend 1-0 lead for 50 minutes in Champo, like he said in his interview. You just try to score another. Very naive approach, we are not Spain, we leaked and will leak goals with our defence. But 6 for the first half. I think he actually said 15 min but we can’t do that either. |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 21, 2024 13:45:40 GMT
When we appointed SS we were able to see his record at Plymouth, this was really important in making a judgement about him. Even if we appointed a Premier League manager of their under 23 team we would be able see evidence of performance. With NP we've appointed someone with no previous record of being a team manager, and despite him being called Head Coach he is in reality the team manager. So we're completely in the dark as to what is likely to happen, we have little choice but to give him time and hope he comes good. It’s been quoted in a thread somewhere on this board that he’s got an awful track record as manager…. Sounds about right for us then! We’ll never learn…. Until Coates fucks off we’re only going one way and it ain’t up I said that when they showed Waters and Coates during broadcast (Championship is on Paramount+ over here). John Coates is just about the only common factor in our 8 year decline. Has he actually ever managed anything? |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 21, 2024 13:51:01 GMT
Burger - especially defensively - is a much bigger issue than JT You noticed Burger was wank tonight. At least he tried to get on the ball and move forward. You wouldn't have noticed Thompson at all as he was completely and utterly anonymous as he has been for 5 years. Yeah, I noticed Burger tonight. Mainly for two wet lettuce challenges leading to the second and third goals. At least if you didn't notice Thompson he didn't make any mistakes. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 13:53:37 GMT
It’s been quoted in a thread somewhere on this board that he’s got an awful track record as manager…. Sounds about right for us then! We’ll never learn…. Until Coates fucks off we’re only going one way and it ain’t up I said that when they showed Waters and Coates during broadcast (Championship is on Paramount+ over here). John Coates is just about the only common factor in our 8 year decline. Has he actually ever managed anything? Wasn't he in charge of Huddersfield when we beat them 3-0? |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 21, 2024 14:07:16 GMT
Pathetic post. At least he does his best. He's head and shoulders above Burger atm. Why do some fans have such an agenda against him? At least he cares and puts his body on the line. He is a limited footballer but more valuable to the team than he is given credit for. He's a completely anonymous defensive midfielder. He does nothing other than support the back 4 and can't even do that which is why he is so woeful. 5 years he's been here and you struggle to find one game where is had been decent. And yet he was played in the mini run at the end of last season while Burger was benched. Thompson does what he can and although limited in ability never shirks. |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 21, 2024 14:17:32 GMT
I said that when they showed Waters and Coates during broadcast (Championship is on Paramount+ over here). John Coates is just about the only common factor in our 8 year decline. Has he actually ever managed anything? Wasn't he in charge of Huddersfield when we beat them 3-0? I think he was! |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 21, 2024 14:20:18 GMT
0 - I'm sorry but there was nothing in that game that I believe the manager influenced. I observed him in the technical area. Coaches backwards and forwards, talking to the manager. The manager looked lost, like a Sunday boys league manager. I have little belief that things will change. I wouldn’t be surprised if JW picked the team or at the very least had a big say in it. This is potential problem if he has JW looking over his shoulder or second guessing him. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Sept 21, 2024 14:40:42 GMT
When we appointed SS we were able to see his record at Plymouth, this was really important in making a judgement about him. Even if we appointed a Premier League manager of their under 23 team we would be able see evidence of performance. With NP we've appointed someone with no previous record of being a team manager, and despite him being called Head Coach he is in reality the team manager. So we're completely in the dark as to what is likely to happen, we have little choice but to give him time and hope he comes good. It’s been quoted in a thread somewhere on this board that he’s got an awful track record as manager…. Sounds about right for us then! We’ll never learn…. Until Coates fucks off we’re only going one way and it ain’t up 9th and then relegation from the Spanish third tier is his record so far. Though to be fair he’s helped out Huddersfield and Norwich with their training for a few years since so he’s bound to be a brilliant manager now. |
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Post by PottersBrim on Sept 21, 2024 14:50:35 GMT
It’s been quoted in a thread somewhere on this board that he’s got an awful track record as manager…. Sounds about right for us then! We’ll never learn…. Until Coates fucks off we’re only going one way and it ain’t up 9th and then relegation from the Spanish third tier is his record so far. Though to be fair he’s helped out Huddersfield and Norwich with their training for a few years since so he’s bound to be a brilliant manager now. You just know that Jon Walters looked at his record in the Spanish 3rd tier and thought ‘yep, that’s our man’. |
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Post by wonderwall on Sept 21, 2024 15:08:07 GMT
0 - I'm sorry but there was nothing in that game that I believe the manager influenced. I observed him in the technical area. Coaches backwards and forwards, talking to the manager. The manager looked lost, like a Sunday boys league manager. I have little belief that things will change. 🤣 - he was there literally 48hrs and majority of the time was doing PR stuff. Let’s just give the bloke a chance eh. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 21, 2024 15:43:12 GMT
0 - I'm sorry but there was nothing in that game that I believe the manager influenced. I observed him in the technical area. Coaches backwards and forwards, talking to the manager. The manager looked lost, like a Sunday boys league manager. I have little belief that things will change. 🤣 - he was there literally 48hrs and majority of the time was doing PR stuff. Let’s just give the bloke a chance eh. I don't give a toss, he plays Koumas outside and Manhoef inside, then puts Tezgel on the outside not a clue. Basic mistakes. He dressed like a prat, he looked lost in the technical area. We hear about a wonderful coach, we believe. If he is so brilliant have a look at his record. Nothing as a coach, nothing as a manager. His record is no better than yours or mine. Sorry, he was rubbish last night. Walters' interference has knocked the club so far back that we are looking forward to a relegation battle. Coates and Walters, along with the new coach need to go now, and Schumacher needs reinstating. If you think I'm a typical moaner I'm not, take a look at my statements in posts and replies. I've had loads of stick for defending players, managers and tactics. I have one theme that runs through all, and that is give the manager time. Every manager needs time, Schumacher didn't get that luxury. Think about it, seven wins in ten games, who was the last manager to achieve that. Coates and Walters have turned the club into a joke, an embarrassment, and must go. Do some research and have a look at the Fleetwood connection. It may surprise you. |
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Post by chad on Sept 21, 2024 15:50:44 GMT
0 - I'm sorry but there was nothing in that game that I believe the manager influenced. I observed him in the technical area. Coaches backwards and forwards, talking to the manager. The manager looked lost, like a Sunday boys league manager. I have little belief that things will change. 🤣 - he was there literally 48hrs and majority of the time was doing PR stuff. Let’s just give the bloke a chance eh. That’s far too sensible for most folks on here |
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 21, 2024 15:51:59 GMT
0 - I'm sorry but there was nothing in that game that I believe the manager influenced. I observed him in the technical area. Coaches backwards and forwards, talking to the manager. The manager looked lost, like a Sunday boys league manager. I have little belief that things will change. I wouldn’t be surprised if JW picked the team or at the very least had a big say in it. This is potential problem if he has JW looking over his shoulder or second guessing him. Absolutely spot on. Walters received stick fromm fans sat below him, he never looked down. I've been watching Stoke since 1968, and I've endured some awful times. The difference here is that we knew we were at the beginning of a plan and it was steadily progressing, it is true a couple of displays were very poor but this was the start not the finished item. We would have to expect setbacks. Walters actions have dashed the process. Now from a season I thought we would finish with us progressing to a top half, I see us in a relegation fight, and it is purely down to Walters and the wet lettuce John Coates. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 21, 2024 15:58:34 GMT
3/10 The team was unbalanced throughout. The substitution of Koumas and Tezgel was ridiculous. The lack of response to Millar coming on for Hull cost us 3 goals. Wasted time with further pointless substitions. Bizarre interview. It's hard to remember a less convincing first game in charge (Rowett?). This. Saves me the bother. OS. The substitution of Tezgel for Koumas was in response to Millar’s impact. His problem was he didn’t have a better option. Moving Million who doesn’t defend well was no better a choice - we actually missed Gooch! We weren’t unbalanced first half, had a good 4-4-2 shape in defence and created 3 very good chances we didn’t take. Our lack of bench options (Pearson, Laval, Gallagher and Moran all out) limited him. I thought trying Wilmott at RB and getting Seko and Stevens game time made sense. |
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Post by tosh on Sept 21, 2024 16:06:05 GMT
🤣 - he was there literally 48hrs and majority of the time was doing PR stuff. Let’s just give the bloke a chance eh. I don't give a toss, he plays Koumas outside and Manhoef inside, then puts Tezgel on the outside not a clue. Basic mistakes. He dressed like a prat, he looked lost in the technical area. We hear about a wonderful coach, we believe. If he is so brilliant have a look at his record. Nothing as a coach, nothing as a manager. His record is no better than yours or mine. Sorry, he was rubbish last night. Walters' interference has knocked the club so far back that we are looking forward to a relegation battle. Coates and Walters, along with the new coach need to go now, and Schumacher needs reinstating. If you think I'm a typical moaner I'm not, take a look at my statements in posts and replies. I've had loads of stick for defending players, managers and tactics. I have one theme that runs through all, and that is give the manager time. Every manager needs time, Schumacher didn't get that luxury. Think about it, seven wins in ten games, who was the last manager to achieve that. Coates and Walters have turned the club into a joke, an embarrassment, and must go. Do some research and have a look at the Fleetwood connection. It may surprise you. Three of those wins were last season before the latest “improvements” in the squad. Does the squad feel improved? This season we have had two pretty fortunate league wins without playing well. We had three poor defeats before last night, and had scored three goals in five games. Things were not looking too great. Having said that, the latest developments do feel high risk. We need a rapid improvement, or a young team could be going down a slippery slope confidence wise which might be very difficult to reverse, and the Walters experiment could be fizzling out before it’s got going. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2024 16:06:40 GMT
Anyone who thinks Jordan Thompson should start gets a 0 from me Pathetic post. At least he does his best. He's head and shoulders above Burger atm. Why do some fans have such an agenda against him? At least he cares and puts his body on the line. He is a limited footballer but more valuable to the team than he is given credit for. His best isn't good enough, comparing him to Burger is pointless as he's not been good enough this season either. I'd rather him not give a shit and put better performances in but that won't happen as he isn't capable. |
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Post by alsager58 on Sept 21, 2024 16:37:36 GMT
I have given this some thought today after watching the second half debacle last night and i agree that if Millions scores one of his chances first half it may have been a different game.
After watching Ben Gibsons reaction interview on Your Tube there were definitely underlying messages about the emotions in the dressing room and the information overload of the new coach !!
My concerns are as follows
1 Are Junior and Bobcat an upgrade on Hoever and Stevens from last season
2 Have we strengthened the central defence, is Gibson an upgrade on Mcnally? Phillips is certainly a positive signing
3 Is the Thompson Burger midfield duo better that whatever mix we used last year
4 Is Moran better than Cundle
5 Koumas definate plus - Mystified why he was flogged to death in a wingback dual role with Millions after playing 85 mins on Tuesday night ??
6 Cannon - Not sure how to position this one - Is he better than Vokes from 3 years ago !! Another lack lustre effort
7 Tezgel for Koumas - Why? The lad has no pace and has been brought through as a No 10 /striker The substitution left us with no pace up top?
8 Bench - No game changers there
9 Gallagher Lawal £5m of talent not played yet
10 Injured players coming back Pearson / Rose - ???
11 Seko - SS said he was a tidy footballer but at 5ft 2in ????
Our DOF certainly has some explaining
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 21, 2024 17:11:38 GMT
Pathetic post. At least he does his best. He's head and shoulders above Burger atm. Why do some fans have such an agenda against him? At least he cares and puts his body on the line. He is a limited footballer but more valuable to the team than he is given credit for. He's a completely anonymous defensive midfielder. He does nothing other than support the back 4 and can't even do that which is why he is so woeful. 5 years he's been here and you struggle to find one game where is had been decent. An old school DM is supposed to just support the back 4 and rarely catch the eye because the job itself is pretty boring. Thompson isn't an exiting player because he's either doing a job that is inherently boring or filling in and doing a job. Thing is he rarely let's anyone down and we seem to do better when he plays. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2024 18:08:49 GMT
🤣 - he was there literally 48hrs and majority of the time was doing PR stuff. Let’s just give the bloke a chance eh. I don't give a toss, he plays Koumas outside and Manhoef inside, then puts Tezgel on the outside not a clue. Basic mistakes. He dressed like a prat, he looked lost in the technical area. We hear about a wonderful coach, we believe. If he is so brilliant have a look at his record. Nothing as a coach, nothing as a manager. His record is no better than yours or mine. Sorry, he was rubbish last night. Walters' interference has knocked the club so far back that we are looking forward to a relegation battle. Coates and Walters, along with the new coach need to go now, and Schumacher needs reinstating. If you think I'm a typical moaner I'm not, take a look at my statements in posts and replies. I've had loads of stick for defending players, managers and tactics. I have one theme that runs through all, and that is give the manager time. Every manager needs time, Schumacher didn't get that luxury. Think about it, seven wins in ten games, who was the last manager to achieve that. Coates and Walters have turned the club into a joke, an embarrassment, and must go. Do some research and have a look at the Fleetwood connection. It may surprise you. What has the way he dresses have to do with anything 😂 |
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Post by ceejays on Sept 21, 2024 18:15:02 GMT
Time will tell obviously put at first show his inexperience shine through . It must have been the first time he did a pre match talk half time talk and it showed . Every team so far has sussed that Junior is a weak link . Every team alter their tactics to expose this weakness . Hull brought on Millar in 46th minute. I repeat the 46th minute and he didn’t pick up on it and either change or double up . Millar ran Junior ragged for the rest of the half . Secondly we played as if we were the away team and though this counter tactic worked to some degree I really don’t want to go to home matches to see us defend . Ok last 15 minutes if we are 1-0 up that’s understandable. Also he was extremely niave in his team selection in that 5 played Tuesday night so likely to blow up . Which they did . It could be that triggered his defensive approach so let’s wait and see . I’m really sick of team after team coming to Bet36( and passing us off the park . Then they have the nerve to say it’s a hard place to come . i can forsee us in the bottom 3 soon . we cant score goals and simewherecalkng the kine somebody makes a mistake . who would be a stoke supporter
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 21, 2024 18:18:29 GMT
I can't remember such an underwhelming appointment & one which supporters are even considering if/when he will be shown the door. When in the past was their a more unpopular choice (and its not Pelachs fault....complete the wrong answer appointment)
What a shambles yet again
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Post by lordb on Sept 21, 2024 18:47:40 GMT
This. Saves me the bother. OS. The substitution of Tezgel for Koumas was in response to Millar’s impact. His problem was he didn’t have a better option. Moving Million who doesn’t defend well was no better a choice - we actually missed Gooch! We weren’t unbalanced first half, had a good 4-4-2 shape in defence and created 3 very good chances we didn’t take. Our lack of bench options (Pearson, Laval, Gallagher and Moran all out) limited him. I thought trying Wilmott at RB and getting Seko and Stevens game time made sense. We didn't have a right sided midfield option who can defend well so instead of putting Tezgel there he should have moved Million there to give us a threat,that way Hull have to step back and defend this releiving pressure on our right back I actually thought Million down the middle worked a treat first half but Hulls changes second half nullified it |
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Post by pzstokie on Sept 21, 2024 18:49:21 GMT
Anyone who thinks Jordan Thompson should start gets a 0 from me This |
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