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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2024 22:08:03 GMT
I genuinely don't think you would mate. If we'd won 4-0 tonight and somebody like (say) bayernoatcake had come on here tonight and said, you can't give Pelach a rating because he has only just arrived here, then he would have been laughed off the message board. The point I'm making, is that many of the people on this thread who are currently suggesting it's too soon to rate Pelach, are only saying this because of how bad we were tonight and if we had actually blown Hull away, then those very same posters would be praising him to high heaven and making comments like "it was a breath of fresh air" and "it's just what we needed" etc ...
This thread is purely about tonight's game,as we do after every game Absolutely can't make any overall judgements off one game but you can state how you think how he handled the match surely?
Exactly.
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Post by degoeystache on Sept 20, 2024 22:15:08 GMT
1/10
Bright 15 minutes, other than that we were absolutely shite. Getting Ole’d at 85 minutes at home against a team who haven’t won all season after being 1 nil up.
Quick press around their box which they got out of too easy all game, then we tried to be compact and let them dictate the play and we as the home side were trying to hit them on the break. Think we had 1 other chance to score through Million and a spell of 3 minute pressure in the second half but I can’t recall the keeper making a save second half.
Tezgel hung out to dry at right midfield/right wing. Some questionable subs.
Also I felt it was a great call by Joe on P&G who pretty much nailed every point he raised
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Post by Billy the kid on Sept 20, 2024 22:15:17 GMT
This thread is purely about tonight's game,as we do after every game Absolutely can't make any overall judgements off one game but you can state how you think how he handled the match surely? Exactly.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2024 22:20:52 GMT
Totally on the players that. Unfit and gutless. A disgrace to the club the lot of em. Apart from Million..
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 20, 2024 22:26:40 GMT
3/10
Starting line-up was fine.
The Koumas/Tezgel sub arguably lost us the game.
Failed to react to their left winger having Tchamadeu on toast from the minute he set foot onto the pitch.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 20, 2024 22:31:43 GMT
A horrid performance at home against a team that until tonight was in the running for worst in the division. I thought the performance was worse than it would have been if a random person stood in the managers box and did nothing. A big fat 0.
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Post by stokiemarc on Sept 20, 2024 22:32:19 GMT
Anyone who thinks Jordan Thompson should start gets a 0 from me It absolutely baffles me that people slate any player who plays alongside Burger, and yet continues to overlook the fact that Burger is absolutely shite This is so true |
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 20, 2024 22:33:33 GMT
3 Lovely Jumper
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Post by Mars on Sept 20, 2024 22:33:42 GMT
3/10
The team was unbalanced throughout.
The substitution of Koumas and Tezgel was ridiculous.
The lack of response to Millar coming on for Hull cost us 3 goals.
Wasted time with further pointless substitions.
Bizarre interview.
It's hard to remember a less convincing first game in charge (Rowett?).
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Post by cheadlepotter on Sept 20, 2024 22:34:24 GMT
Starting line-up was ok
Outcoached by the manager of one of the worst teams we’ll play this season
Asking Wilmot to play out from the back is suicidal
Tezgel RW, what a joke
1/10
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 20, 2024 22:37:16 GMT
3 - honest rating.
I didn't like Million as 10.
Tezgel RW was a joke and ruined that side of the pitch.
Left Cannon on too long (Tezgel should have gone upfront).
CM is a massive issue. Seko looked a proper player in his cameo but we are going to get run over no matter what.
My honest feeling is we aren't very good no matter who picks the team.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 20, 2024 22:39:58 GMT
3, it was dog shit, bringing a young striker on to play right wing, on par with Gooch at No 10.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 20, 2024 22:42:09 GMT
What’s the point? He’s literally just arrived "Knows the league" "knows the players". |
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Post by mcw on Sept 21, 2024 0:50:35 GMT
It absolutely baffles me that people slate any player who plays alongside Burger, and yet continues to overlook the fact that Burger is absolutely shite This is so true The same, Burger is redefining shit at the moment. I thought Laurent could be weak and anonymous in games, but Burger is on a 6 week streak of making him look amazing in comparison. He has turned into a complete wet lettuce and is the source of much of the problems in midfield. |
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Post by mcw on Sept 21, 2024 0:54:13 GMT
3 - honest rating. I didn't like Million as 10. Tezgel RW was a joke and ruined that side of the pitch. Left Cannon on too long (Tezgel should have gone upfront). CM is a massive issue. Seko looked a proper player in his cameo but we are going to get run over no matter what. My honest feeling is we aren't very good no matter who picks the team. Yep as the old saying goes you can’t polish a turd. This team’s problems in defence and midfield look an obstacle too far for any coach to overcome whatever they try. Weak as piss and scared/uncomfortable on the ball are a very bad combination. Teams are going to press the shit out of us. |
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Post by tuum on Sept 21, 2024 2:41:29 GMT
Shumacher wouldn't have lost that game. I think he would. |
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Post by idle on Sept 21, 2024 5:16:36 GMT
I do, and I would. We can't give him 5 minutes before dismissing him. That's JWs job. Two stupid errors from Bocat and Wilmot, and an unlucky own goal. On the other hand, we looked toothless in the 2nd half. Plus the subs made no sense, and players playing out of position. Points for seeing Junior/Bocat being targeted and trying to fix it. Minus points for using Ennis. I genuinely don't think you would mate. If we'd won 4-0 tonight and somebody like (say) bayernoatcake had come on here tonight and said, you can't give Pelach a rating because he has only just arrived here, then he would have been laughed off the message board. The point I'm making, is that many of the people on this thread who are currently suggesting it's too soon to rate Pelach, are only saying this because of how bad we were tonight and if we had actually blown Hull away, then those very same posters would be praising him to high heaven and making comments like "it was a breath of fresh air" and "it's just what we needed" etc. awarding him 8's, 9's and 10's out of 10.
If you'd read my comments these last days, I've been highly critical of SS' sacking and NPs arrival. Mostly because it was way early to tell. Only JW thinks only a few games is enough to judge a "head coach". I don't. |
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Post by RAF on Sept 21, 2024 5:18:55 GMT
Shumacher wouldn't have lost that game. I think he would. Not in that way he wouldn't. Batshit decision to sack him. This club is like Billy Smarts Circus only way shitter!@ H |
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Sept 21, 2024 5:24:13 GMT
3/10 The team was unbalanced throughout. The substitution of Koumas and Tezgel was ridiculous. The lack of response to Millar coming on for Hull cost us 3 goals. Wasted time with further pointless substitions. Bizarre interview. It's hard to remember a less convincing first game in charge (Rowett?). Pretty much agree but thought the interview was fine. Hardly any options on the bench but yeah Tezgel shouldn't have been put there. Maybe it was Morris' idea as shawcross used Tezgel on the wing in the last game? Clutching at straws haha |
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 21, 2024 5:52:11 GMT
3/10 Starting line-up was fine. The Koumas/Tezgel sub arguably lost us the game. Failed to react to their left winger having Tchamadeu on toast from the minute he set foot onto the pitch. Yeah ironically that’s basically the perfect situation to use Gooch as a RW. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2024 7:18:43 GMT
Anyone who thinks Jordan Thompson should start gets a 0 from me It absolutely baffles me that people slate any player who plays alongside Burger, and yet continues to overlook the fact that Burger is absolutely shite It doesn't matter who Thompson plays alongside, he's an awful player at Champ level. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 21, 2024 7:59:01 GMT
Starting line-up was ok Outcoached by the manager of one of the worst teams we’ll play this season Asking Wilmot to play out from the back is suicidal Tezgel RW, what a joke 1/10 That’s just not right. Hull were decent If there one of the worst teams we are going down for sure |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 21, 2024 8:09:38 GMT
Tezgel being put out wide was bizzare to say the least🤷♂️
I think they’re in for a long hard few weeks on the training ground
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Post by fazza90 on Sept 21, 2024 8:16:06 GMT
3
- Really poor game management replacing Koumas for Tezgel on the wing
- Keeping on Cannon when he was having zero impact and offered nothing
- 3-1 down and we only brings on 2 subs in the 90th minute
- we were second best all second half which suggests half time team talk added nothing
- we were dominated by a weak Hull side at home and didn't impose ourselves at all
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Post by kickfortouch on Sept 21, 2024 8:20:57 GMT
1/10 unfortunately. Hull are wank and hadn’t won a game before last night.
Bold team selection with what appeared to be basically a 442 at times with Manhoef up front with Cannon. First half we looked quite dangerous on the break and if Manhoef scores his big chance to make it 2 nil it’s obviously a different game. We only had 37% possession in the first half though and I couldn’t believe NP didn't move to to get and extra body in midfield either at half time or very early into the second half.
Second half was horrendous and the decision to try and deal with Millar by bringing Tezgel on was just bizarre. As was him allowing Thompson and Burger to get totally dominated by their midfield three until we’d conceded 3 times. That’s just really poor in game management and came across as very naive to me.
As usual we didn’t have any really pattern of play which I can forgive due to good lack of time with the players.
He obviously isn’t helped at all by some desperate performances from a number of players, but I’ve woken up this morning with the feeling that we are basically in real trouble this season now.
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Post by wrighter on Sept 21, 2024 8:26:33 GMT
will let him off this game as only had 2 days in charge
improve nxt game
get them fit
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Post by retrostoke on Sept 21, 2024 8:29:20 GMT
Oh. Get rid. It’s September and we are already favourites for relegation (only in Stoke though).
He’s had two training sessions with the players and he’s not transformed them into top 6 material. Need rid of him now and Warnock in. It’s our only chance of staying up
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Post by retrostoke on Sept 21, 2024 8:36:14 GMT
will let him off this game as only had 2 days in charge improve nxt game get them fit To be fair they have played Saturday, Tuesday and Friday again. I know it shouldn’t matter but it seems to take the edge off modern footballers |
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 21, 2024 8:38:21 GMT
When we appointed SS we were able to see his record at Plymouth, this was really important in making a judgement about him.
Even if we appointed a Premier League manager of their under 23 team we would be able see evidence of performance.
With NP we've appointed someone with no previous record of being a team manager, and despite him being called Head Coach he is in reality the team manager.
So we're completely in the dark as to what is likely to happen, we have little choice but to give him time and hope he comes good.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 21, 2024 8:39:39 GMT
Shumacher wouldn't have lost that game. You’re clearly not basing this judgement on the horror shows at Watford or Oxford or the schooling by WBA or the pretty poor home form of last season. What evidence are you using? |
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