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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 10, 2024 12:12:16 GMT
In terms of the England greats?
100th cap tonight. For me, the '66 lot have to be considered a class apart - especially the likes of Charlton, Moore and Banks (going off what I've read).
Beyond that, two major finals as well as a WC semi-final and a quarter final. England's all-time top goalscorer and the WC and Euros Golden Boot winner. His achievements in an England shirt already eclipsed the likes of Rooney, Shearer, Lineker, Robson and Gascoigne by a fair amount.
I don't think he gets the respect he deserves, especially up against Rooney who did jack shit at major tournaments bar 2004 (1 WC goal I think? In a defeat to Uruguay?).
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 10, 2024 12:18:46 GMT
In terms of the England greats? 100th cap tonight. For me, the '66 lot have to be considered a class apart - especially the likes of Charlton, Moore and Banks (going off what I've read). Beyond that, two major finals as well as a WC semi-final and a quarter final. England's all-time top goalscorer and the WC and Euros Golden Boot winner. His achievements in an England shirt already eclipsed the likes of Rooney, Shearer, Lineker, Robson and Gascoigne by a fair amount. I don't think he gets the respect he deserves, especially up against Rooney who did jack shit at major tournaments bar 2004 (1 WC goal I think? In a defeat to Uruguay?). Can’t wait until the beast awakens |
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Post by J-Roar on Sept 10, 2024 12:19:23 GMT
In terms of the England greats? 100th cap tonight. For me, the '66 lot have to be considered a class apart - especially the likes of Charlton, Moore and Banks (going off what I've read). Beyond that, two major finals as well as a WC semi-final and a quarter final. England's all-time top goalscorer and the WC and Euros Golden Boot winner. His achievements in an England shirt already eclipsed the likes of Rooney, Shearer, Lineker, Robson and Gascoigne by a fair amount. I don't think he gets the respect he deserves, especially up against Rooney who did jack shit at major tournaments bar 2004 (1 WC goal I think? In a defeat to Uruguay?). Come on BO - we're waiting... |
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Post by lordb on Sept 10, 2024 12:35:47 GMT
Probably best just to consider with him other England strikers & purely on his England record
Greaves probably the most talented of those
Lineker , Owen, Shearer, Rooney
hard to differentiate ,Rooney behind the others (but not in talent)
Shearer probably would have clearly been the best had he not lost his pace re his injuries
Imo Kane is at least as worthy as those
don't see any prolific English goal scorers coming through, think he's at the 'taken for granted' stage
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2024 12:42:37 GMT
He's a brilliant England player albeit moving slightly past his peak now.
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 10, 2024 12:46:39 GMT
Golden Boot twice in tournaments.
His record puts him above everyone bar Charlton.
Personally i think Rooney is a better player but Kane has the CV to back it up at international level.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 10, 2024 12:55:36 GMT
Best striker ever for me, home nations
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Post by lordb on Sept 10, 2024 12:56:04 GMT
Golden Boot twice in tournaments. His record puts him above everyone bar Charlton. Personally i think Rooney is a better player but Kane has the CV to back it up at international level. Only Gerd Muller also has Golden Boot at both World Cup & Euros |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 10, 2024 13:02:16 GMT
In terms of the England greats? 100th cap tonight. For me, the '66 lot have to be considered a class apart - especially the likes of Charlton, Moore and Banks (going off what I've read). Beyond that, two major finals as well as a WC semi-final and a quarter final. England's all-time top goalscorer and the WC and Euros Golden Boot winner. His achievements in an England shirt already eclipsed the likes of Rooney, Shearer, Lineker, Robson and Gascoigne by a fair amount. I don't think he gets the respect he deserves, especially up against Rooney who did jack shit at major tournaments bar 2004 (1 WC goal I think? In a defeat to Uruguay?). According to Bayernoatcake somewhere just behind the great Michael Ricketts 😉 😆 |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 10, 2024 13:13:31 GMT
He couldn't lace Wazza's boots
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Post by bettyswallox on Sept 10, 2024 13:26:14 GMT
I've been pretty scathing of him in the last 12 months or so (in a similar vein to Bayern).
But you can't argue with his body of work in terms of goals, particularly at major tournaments. Not as talented as Rooney but showed up when it matters more often.
Of recent (last 50 years or so) England striking greats he's probably number 1.
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Post by moon on Sept 10, 2024 13:44:49 GMT
Probably best just to consider with him other England strikers & purely on his England record Greaves probably the most talented of those Lineker , Owen, Shearer, Rooney hard to differentiate ,Rooney behind the others (but not in talent) Shearer probably would have clearly been the best had he not lost his pace re his injuries Imo Kane is at least as worthy as those don't see any prolific English goal scorers coming through, think he's at the 'taken for granted' stage
Kane has been in more successful England teams in terms of making it to finals, but at the end of the day England have still won nothing since 66. He'll rightly go down as one of the great England strikers and it'll be a while before anyone overtakes him in terms of goals scored.
I've enjoyed watching the likes of Shearer, Owen, and Rooney far more than I've enjoyed watching Kane though, and I think I'll always remember their contributions more fondly than those of Kane despite what the stats say.
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Post by noustie on Sept 10, 2024 13:57:53 GMT
Slightly different angle but I looked at it which England strikers in my lifetime do I wish were Scottish - think I'd have him fourth behind Rooney, Shearer and <26 year old Owen.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 10, 2024 14:00:20 GMT
He couldn't lace Wazza's boots Neither could Wazza I take it you mean Rooney who never turned up at big tournaments |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 10, 2024 14:04:15 GMT
In a sock?
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 10, 2024 14:13:41 GMT
He couldn't lace Wazza's boots Neither could Wazza I take it you mean Rooney who never turned up at big tournaments He did. 2004. Was injured in 2006 and then played in some utterly wank teams for the rest of his days. Kane's bottled it on multiple occasions with brilliant England teams. Made them worse. Wazza's won it all, Big H has won, erm, oh yeah... Been through this a million times on here and he proved me (and Bayern) right at the Euros. We were atrocious. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 10, 2024 14:19:32 GMT
If he fades from the team and doesn't stick around for years of poor performances then you've got to imagine he'll be remembered as perhaps the greatest in 50-odd years.
If Bayern eventually has greatgrandkids I'm sure they'll hear how he stunk the place out, but their classmates will see the highlights and the stats and tons of goals and a couple of finals will matter more for how he's remembered IMO.
I think if we'd put enough pace around him and not had 3+ players trying to play in the same area of the pitch he wouldn't have looked as bad at the euros.
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Post by datguy on Sept 10, 2024 14:26:37 GMT
He couldn't lace Wazza's boots Don’t think I’ve seen many players better than Wayne Rooney, English or not. Absolutely superb player. Like Kane, think he’s a good player, but Rooney is indeed significantly ahead of Harry. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 10, 2024 14:34:17 GMT
He couldn't lace Wazza's boots Don’t think I’ve seen many players better than Wayne Rooney, English or not. Absolutely superb player. Like Kane, think he’s a good player, but Rooney is indeed significantly ahead of Harry. Correct. I don’t think there is anyone playing currently who is up there with him ability wise. Maybe De Bruyne. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 10, 2024 14:35:05 GMT
He's a brilliant England player albeit moving slightly past his peak now. Kane himself doesn't think so - he's aiming for 100 England goals! Only 34 to go... I like his thinking though: "Some people may see them as unrealistic but I would rather go for something unrealistic and not quite make it rather than be comfortable just saying I will be happy with 70 or 80 goals." |
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 10, 2024 14:35:22 GMT
He couldn't lace Wazza's boots Don’t think I’ve seen many players better than Wayne Rooney, English or not. Absolutely superb player. Like Kane, think he’s a good player, but Rooney is indeed significantly ahead of Harry. Rooney is my favourite player ever. If he wasn't drinking cider by the litre at 14 and looked after himself he would have broken every record. On natural ability he's right at the very very top. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 10, 2024 15:04:37 GMT
Neither could Wazza I take it you mean Rooney who never turned up at big tournaments He did. 2004. Was injured in 2006 and then played in some utterly wank teams for the rest of his days. Kane's bottled it on multiple occasions with brilliant England teams. Made them worse. Wazza's won it all, Big H has won, erm, oh yeah... Been through this a million times on here and he proved me (and Bayern) right at the Euros. We were atrocious. Golden boots? As someone pointed out, only Gerd Muller He doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. His record speaks for itself. Was below par at Euros but still got goals and his record speaks for itself. Hardly an example of what he's done, bringing that up and ignoring the rest. He still scored more goals at the last Euros than some of the other great England strikers at tournaments |
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Post by Veritas on Sept 10, 2024 15:17:02 GMT
Best striker ever for me, home nations Really! Since when? Since the mid 1960's for England I would have Kane just ahead of Lineker but behind Greaves as a goalscorer and certainly behind Charlton as an all round player. In terms of all UK Dalglish, Rush and Best all better than Kane. |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 10, 2024 15:17:38 GMT
Neither could Wazza I take it you mean Rooney who never turned up at big tournaments He did. 2004. Was injured in 2006 and then played in some utterly wank teams for the rest of his days. Kane's bottled it on multiple occasions with brilliant England teams. Made them worse. Wazza's won it all, Big H has won, erm, oh yeah... Been through this a million times on here and he proved me (and Bayern) right at the Euros. We were atrocious. Sorry what did "Wazza" win for England? Kane's record for the national team absolutely pisses all over Rooney's, that's just a fact. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 10, 2024 15:17:45 GMT
Probably best just to consider with him other England strikers & purely on his England record Greaves probably the most talented of those Lineker , Owen, Shearer, Rooney hard to differentiate ,Rooney behind the others (but not in talent) Shearer probably would have clearly been the best had he not lost his pace re his injuries Imo Kane is at least as worthy as those don't see any prolific English goal scorers coming through, think he's at the 'taken for granted' stage Kane has been in more successful England teams in terms of making it to finals, but at the end of the day England have still won nothing since 66. He'll rightly go down as one of the great England strikers and it'll be a while before anyone overtakes him in terms of goals scored. I've enjoyed watching the likes of Shearer, Owen, and Rooney far more than I've enjoyed watching Kane though, and I think I'll always remember their contributions more fondly than those of Kane despite what the stats say.
interesting & perfectly valid I cant say as I agree re Owen or Rooney (especially) but yes re Shearer however I would also say there's probably not that much difference between all of them I think Lineker gets overlooked in these discussions probably because many don't like him but he was superb goal scorer Greaves was probably better than all of them but before my time |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 10, 2024 15:19:23 GMT
Don't widicule the question |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 10, 2024 15:28:51 GMT
Best striker ever for me, home nations Really! Since when? Since the mid 1960's for England I would have Kane just ahead of Lineker but behind Greaves as a goalscorer and certainly behind Charlton as an all round player. In terms of all UK Dalglish, Rush and Best all better than Kane. [br As an out and out striker Kane wins for me. Best always more of a winger . No one had his talent but wasted Rush was great for Liverpool, not so much Juve. Kane broken records in Germany. Lineker certainly in the mix for me. Ahead of Rush as did it for several clubs and country. Obviously all will have their faves. Dalglish not close at international level although had some great moments. Brilliant player at club level The Kane bashing is a bit boring for me |
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Post by mattador78 on Sept 10, 2024 15:38:58 GMT
Greaves for natural talent
Rooney for all around ability
Charlton for just being Bobby Charlton
Kane for the shear amount of goals he’s scored overall and in tournaments.
To round out with number 5 I would probably go with Lineker same as Kane large volume of goals and turned up in tournaments as well.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 10, 2024 15:48:29 GMT
One thing I like about Kane is that he's not naturally speedy or a big hard bastard, and if I remember his early loans properly he didn't have Rooney's raw talent (or even Defoe's, he tore us up iirc?). He's got where he is through hard work and developing proper good football smarts. I really respect that.
I can also see Bayern's points about him in the England setup.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 10, 2024 16:34:40 GMT
He did. 2004. Was injured in 2006 and then played in some utterly wank teams for the rest of his days. Kane's bottled it on multiple occasions with brilliant England teams. Made them worse. Wazza's won it all, Big H has won, erm, oh yeah... Been through this a million times on here and he proved me (and Bayern) right at the Euros. We were atrocious. Sorry what did "Wazza" win for England? Kane's record for the national team absolutely pisses all over Rooney's, that's just a fact. What did Kane win for England? What did Kane ever win? Goals mean nothing, and a third of Kane's were penos against Turzkbekistanjiri |
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