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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 11, 2024 21:11:15 GMT
Great goal scorer. Can’t deny his goals but he just doesn’t seem special. He’s has definitely benefitted from no proper competition for his place. Think of beckham, gazza, Owen, ince and others you can pick out special and defining moments from their England career. Imo he’s a case of quantity over quality. You’ll have to remind me what Ince’s special moment was? Is your name Tom?😉 |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 11, 2024 21:37:16 GMT
Great goal scorer. Can’t deny his goals but he just doesn’t seem special. He’s has definitely benefitted from no proper competition for his place. Think of beckham, gazza, Owen, ince and others you can pick out special and defining moments from their England career. Imo he’s a case of quantity over quality. You’ll have to remind me what Ince’s special moment was? Is your name Tom?😉 I just mean you have these iconic moments with the bloodied bandage in Italy. Butcher the same. Beckham v Greece. Owen v Germany. Owen v Argentina. Countless others. Despite his record goals and 100 caps he’s a great goal scorer but he just does not seem special |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 11, 2024 21:41:02 GMT
You’ll have to remind me what Ince’s special moment was? Is your name Tom?😉 I just mean you have these iconic moments with the bloodied bandage in Italy. Butcher the same. Beckham v Greece. Owen v Germany. Owen v Argentina. Countless others. Despite his record goals and 100 caps he’s a great goal scorer but he just does not seem special So Englands record goal scorer is now being compared to a bloke who wore a head bandage in a qualifier once? Come on mate |
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Post by sticky on Sept 11, 2024 21:42:27 GMT
Been brilliant for England, be hard to replace he’s gone
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 11, 2024 21:48:08 GMT
Great goal scorer. Can’t deny his goals but he just doesn’t seem special. He’s has definitely benefitted from no proper competition for his place. Think of beckham, gazza, Owen, ince and others you can pick out special and defining moments from their England career. Imo he’s a case of quantity over quality. IMO he's not just a finisher, he gets into space despite not being rapid, holds the ball well despite not being tricky or a beast, plus he can spot a pass. Quality in my book 👍 But I'm struggling to think of truly spectacular moments. He's had over a decade on Bellingham and nothing springs to mind from Kane like Jude's goal in the knockouts. Is that the difference to make true stars? Also, as someone has said (was it Bayern? He's so quiet about this 😉), he's been shoehorned in and arguably hurt the system. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 11, 2024 21:59:36 GMT
It's a good point about iconic moments, they can distort the overall picture
Kane goal v Germany at Wembley maybe?
Otherwise he is behind others on that score
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 11, 2024 23:09:40 GMT
The question in the OP was where does Kane rank in terms of the England's greats.
Greatness to me is more than brilliant play. It suggest consistency, longevity, as well as performance level. There are countless examples of individual brilliance, but is that greatness unless it continues for year after year like it did with Best and many of the other foreign greats. The only English player who has the reputation of innumerable match winning performances for England was our own Stan Matthews which are described at length in David Miller's authorized biography.
I wonder if is possible to determine who has "won" more matches than anyone, as at the end of the day the object is to win matches. Banks and Shilton probably "won" more matches for England than any striker - I don't know just guessing.
A mark of a great player is also one who the a manger keeps picking even when the team performances aren't good enough. Mid-fielders Bobby Charlton (post 1963), Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Scholes, Hoddle, Bryan Robson, Brooking, Alan Ball, Duncan Edwards all made the team tick and drove it on. But only Charlton actually steered an England team to win a major competition, and he also did it at club level.
I can see where some see Kane as lacking brilliance, but at the end of the the game is about winning matches, which England have done a lot more in recent years with Kane, than it did with Linekar, Rooney, Owen, or Shearer. 68 goals in 100 matches speaks for itself, but as this old timer would say: it's still not as good as Greaves' 44 in 57 matches and then left out by Ramsay at the age of 27. How would Jimmy have performed on today's pitches and referee protection? The debate is endless!
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Post by whatsashig on Sept 11, 2024 23:14:49 GMT
Quite high
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Post by hancockscfc on Sept 11, 2024 23:51:48 GMT
You have to be watching a different game if you see Kane as anything less than World Class. I think in this more free flowing system where the impetus is on runners in behind, he will thrive as his dropping deep won’t seem redundant.
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 12, 2024 0:59:58 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 12, 2024 1:06:40 GMT
You’ll have to remind me what Ince’s special moment was? Is your name Tom?😉 I just mean you have these iconic moments with the bloodied bandage in Italy. Butcher the same. Beckham v Greece. Owen v Germany. Owen v Argentina. Countless others. Despite his record goals and 100 caps he’s a great goal scorer but he just does not seem special Rome was a special game for both Ince and Gascoigne. They both played with intelligence, covering ground and being available to collect the ball and inititiate moves. Gascoigne played with such control it seemed he'd finally matured into a balanced thoughtful playmaker. It didn't last sadly. His life is defined by a lack of control |
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