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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2024 16:43:58 GMT
Sorry what did "Wazza" win for England? Kane's record for the national team absolutely pisses all over Rooney's, that's just a fact. What did Kane win for England? What did Kane ever win? Goals mean nothing, and a third of Kane's were penos against Turzkbekistanjiri Kane win for England? If that's a criterion only 11 English players ever are worth lauding |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 10, 2024 16:45:51 GMT
Sorry what did "Wazza" win for England? Kane's record for the national team absolutely pisses all over Rooney's, that's just a fact. What did Kane win for England? What did Kane ever win? Goals mean nothing, and a third of Kane's were penos against Turzkbekistanjiri I didn't claim Kane had won anything for England - you said "Wazza's won it all" Although Kane does have two tournament golden boots and I don't think Turzkbekistanjiri qualified for either. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2024 16:58:19 GMT
He Was off the pace in Germany but still scored three.
And he isn't finished quite yet.
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Post by Veritas on Sept 10, 2024 17:01:41 GMT
Really! Since when? Since the mid 1960's for England I would have Kane just ahead of Lineker but behind Greaves as a goalscorer and certainly behind Charlton as an all round player. In terms of all UK Dalglish, Rush and Best all better than Kane. [br As an out and out striker Kane wins for me. Best always more of a winger . No one had his talent but wasted Rush was great for Liverpool, not so much Juve. Kane broken records in Germany. Lineker certainly in the mix for me. Ahead of Rush as did it for several clubs and country. Obviously all will have their faves. Dalglish not close at international level although had some great moments. Brilliant player at club level The Kane bashing is a bit boring for me Certainly no Kane bashing from me, did you ever see Greaves? As a goal scorer different class to any of the others. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 10, 2024 17:11:00 GMT
I don't even remember 1 thing Rooney did for England other than getting sent off. I can't even picture 1 of his goals.
When it comes to England Rooney wouldn't make my top 3. I would have Kane, Owen and Beckham above him. Even Gazza gave me memories for life.
Kane has to be top 3 but not sure where I would place him
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 10, 2024 17:15:22 GMT
What did Kane win for England? What did Kane ever win? Goals mean nothing, and a third of Kane's were penos against Turzkbekistanjiri I didn't claim Kane had won anything for England - you said "Wazza's won it all" Although Kane does have two tournament golden boots and I don't think Turzkbekistanjiri qualified for either. Club football |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 10, 2024 17:16:22 GMT
What did Kane win for England? What did Kane ever win? Goals mean nothing, and a third of Kane's were penos against Turzkbekistanjiri Kane win for England? If that's a criterion only 11 English players ever are worth lauding He’s a hindrance. |
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Post by baystokie on Sept 10, 2024 17:24:17 GMT
Must put in a shout for my era (1940s - 1960) when international matches were less frequent than now -
Nat Lofthouse (30 goals in 33 appearances)
Stan Mortensen (23 in 25)
Tommy Lawton (22 in 23) and finally
Freddie Steele (8 in 6)
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2024 17:24:56 GMT
I didn't claim Kane had won anything for England - you said "Wazza's won it all" Although Kane does have two tournament golden boots and I don't think Turzkbekistanjiri qualified for either. Club football Bobby Moore and Gordon Banks only won two each. Shearer only won one. It's misleading |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 10, 2024 17:25:29 GMT
I don't even remember 1 thing Rooney did for England other than getting sent off. I can't even picture 1 of his goals. When it comes to England Rooney wouldn't make my top 3. I would have Kane, Owen and Beckham above him. Even Gazza gave me memories for life. Kane has to be top 3 but not sure where I would place him Loved seeing Kane's field goal attempt against France in Qatar. Memories for life. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Sept 10, 2024 17:26:29 GMT
Bobby Moore and Gordon Banks only won two each. Shearer only won one. It's misleading Is it bollox, one better than the other. Harry Kane has diddly squat. Zilch. It's a team sport. Vardy's a more successful player than Kane. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2024 17:27:23 GMT
Kane win for England? If that's a criterion only 11 English players ever are worth lauding He’s a hindrance. Are you a Bayern Oatcake alter ego? You just did what he/she does. Instead of addressing what's said just repeat something you said earlier. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2024 17:34:26 GMT
I don't even remember 1 thing Rooney did for England other than getting sent off. I can't even picture 1 of his goals. When it comes to England Rooney wouldn't make my top 3. I would have Kane, Owen and Beckham above him. Even Gazza gave me memories for life. Kane has to be top 3 but not sure where I would place him Loved seeing Kane's field goal attempt against France in Qatar. Memories for life. That's like holding up Stein v Vale in the autoglass against him. Or Lineker in the 88 Euros. |
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 10, 2024 17:38:34 GMT
He’s right at the pantheon of English players. It’s a shame he’s not quite been able to top his career off with a tournament win, but his record is superb. Clearly, he’s now reaching a stage where he needs to be replaced, and it will be interesting to see how that plays out. Will he need to be pushed, or will he step aside?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 10, 2024 17:41:12 GMT
Just above Nugent.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 10, 2024 17:45:35 GMT
I didn't claim Kane had won anything for England - you said "Wazza's won it all" Although Kane does have two tournament golden boots and I don't think Turzkbekistanjiri qualified for either. Club football Which is irrelevant to the thread, and which you slipped into a post otherwise entirely about England records.. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2024 17:47:12 GMT
ANYWAY, I have Bobby Charlton as the greatest English player ever. For many reasons.
A shout out though for Kevin Keegan. What a great player he was gets overlooked. When he went Hamburg he was amongst the best players in the world. Unfortunately his peak fell between world cups. He went the Euros in 1980 but the Euros wasn't really that much of a thing then. After the 1980 Euros UEFA had a big meeting during which they discussed scrapping it.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2024 17:49:38 GMT
Winning the league on goal difference is just as convincing as winning it by 12 points. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 10, 2024 17:51:14 GMT
Winning the league on goal difference is just as convincing as winning it by 12 points. Harry Kane isn’t up to scratch either way. And hasn’t been for a while: should have been dropped after the 2018 debacle. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2024 17:52:50 GMT
Winning the league on goal difference is just as convincing as winning it by 12 points. Harry Kane isn’t up to scratch either way. And hasn’t been for a while: should have been dropped after the 2018 debacle. Again, you repeat old things without addressing the latest point. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 10, 2024 17:54:39 GMT
Harry Kane isn’t up to scratch either way. And hasn’t been for a while: should have been dropped after the 2018 debacle. Again, you repeat old things without addressing the latest point. The point is pointless. The bloke makes England worse and has done for some time. I’d actually genuinely love to see him as a deep lying play maker. Might actually be useful. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2024 18:03:00 GMT
He’s right at the pantheon of English players. It’s a shame he’s not quite been able to top his career off with a tournament win, but his record is superb. Clearly, he’s now reaching a stage where he needs to be replaced, and it will be interesting to see how that plays out. Will he need to be pushed, or will he step aside? I've suspected Southgate asked Rooney to retire from England to spare him the indignity of being unselected. In the next year Carso may well do the same with Kane. Or maybe he'll still see him as a big part of his plans. |
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 10, 2024 18:27:48 GMT
I don't even remember 1 thing Rooney did for England other than getting sent off. I can't even picture 1 of his goals. When it comes to England Rooney wouldn't make my top 3. I would have Kane, Owen and Beckham above him. Even Gazza gave me memories for life. Kane has to be top 3 but not sure where I would place him I remember every goal he scored when he was 18 in the Euros. To be fair, he was by some distance, the best player in that tournament by a long way. The whole of the England team new they had the missing link and if he'd of stayed fit we would certainly have been in at least a final. |
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 10, 2024 18:29:19 GMT
Again, you repeat old things without addressing the latest point. The point is pointless. The bloke makes England worse and has done for some time. I’d actually genuinely love to see him as a deep lying play maker. Might actually be useful. Yeah Pickford LW as well. He will score tonight, like he normally does. Kane as DM is probably the daftest thing ever said on this board. |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 10, 2024 18:30:37 GMT
Harry Kane isn’t up to scratch either way. And hasn’t been for a while: should have been dropped after the 2018 debacle. Again, you repeat old things without addressing the latest point. Not being funny Joe but your “latest point” here is very much an old thing which ignored the point 🥲 |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2024 18:41:12 GMT
Again, you repeat old things without addressing the latest point. Not being funny Joe but your “latest point” here is very much an old thing which ignored the point 🥲 Yeah I know 😁 |
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 10, 2024 18:53:07 GMT
He’s right at the pantheon of English players. It’s a shame he’s not quite been able to top his career off with a tournament win, but his record is superb. Clearly, he’s now reaching a stage where he needs to be replaced, and it will be interesting to see how that plays out. Will he need to be pushed, or will he step aside? I've suspected Southgate asked Rooney to retire from England to spare him the indignity of being unselected. In the next year Carso may well do the same with Kane. Or maybe he'll still see him as a big part of his plans. Quite possibly, but the issue is we don’t really have anyone better to take his place in the team. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 10, 2024 19:01:06 GMT
I've suspected Southgate asked Rooney to retire from England to spare him the indignity of being unselected. In the next year Carso may well do the same with Kane. Or maybe he'll still see him as a big part of his plans. Quite possibly, but the issue is we don’t really have anyone better to take his place in the team. It seems like that but we'll see how the new manager wants to play. He might want to play without emphasis on strikers. |
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 10, 2024 19:11:49 GMT
Geoff Hurst is the bestest.
You can't argue with a hat-trick in a world cup final that we won.
Lineker and Rooney joint second
Followed by Kane, Greaves, Shearer and Owen.
Freddie Steele would have been in the discussion if the world hadn't gone mad.
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Post by delilahwhy on Sept 10, 2024 20:24:21 GMT
Longevity comes into it for me.
Getting to the top is one thing. Staying there for a prolonged period of time is another. To remain at elite level takes dedication and sacrifice. Rooney was blown out by around the age of 30 due to not looking after himself off the pitch. As good as he was during his spell, "the greats" go on for longer in my opinion.
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