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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 8, 2024 15:11:51 GMT
No maybe not but I don’t put on what I think about the monarchy if I did it would be on the relevant thread. Not reliant no as it’s about Lee carsley not your opinion on the monarchy. 😬 He doesn't sing it for certain reasons and I don't sing it and I've chosen to say what my reason is... I'm not sure what's wrong with that? And that’s fine. I don’t sing it only in my head. There’s no problem with anyone singing it or not. You wanted to say what you said and that’s fine I was merely pointing out that there’s a thread on everything else regards people’s stance on the monarchy. |
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Post by sportsman on Sept 8, 2024 15:13:23 GMT
Best read the guardian then They love people like you sporty lad Laughing their bollocks off they are I’ve just looked back on here since yesterday and seen this fucking thread is still going! Would be rude for me not to add to the shite on here. The guardian have bollocks? And a pussy? About right 😁 |
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 8, 2024 17:38:30 GMT
We’re on the brink of another major war. Nuclear threat is the highest it’s ever been. Highest poverty rates in this country ever. Donald Trump is probably going to be one of the most powerful people in the world again. Genocide and race splitting happening right in front of our eyes. Yet people are seemingly more outraged by an England manager, not singing a song about a billionaire family that are part of an institution that doesn’t give two fucks about them. That Daily Mail article is a fucking embarrassment as well. To add - when the world does go to shit, this same establishment will be willingly forcing most of the country to go and fight whilst they shit themselves in their bunkers which are probably bigger than your house. So Saville loving sausage fingers can shove his song up his arse. Agreed. And people being outraged by it is more evidence that the world is gone to shit and we’re heading back where we ended up in 1939. In all of this the one thing that gives me hope is everything I hear from Carsley is rational, calm and intelligent. Let the tabloid fuckwits have their little rants, sell their papers/get their internet hits….then fuck off and peddle their small minded, nationalist tripe on the next “non story”. |
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Post by stokie1947 on Sept 8, 2024 18:15:49 GMT
God save our country would be better the state these politicians are getting us in
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Post by Linx on Sept 8, 2024 18:59:47 GMT
And how did this become news? And why is anyone bothered? And why was it never raised as an issue for Sven or Capello, who I am pretty sure did not sing the English national anthem.
I’ve not been interested enough to find out how all this started, but it was either (a) Carsley shouted out to all and sundry that he was not going to sing the national anthem, just to heat up the lukewarm interest in the fact that he’s Anglo-Irish or (b) some hack asked him, for no particular good reason than to stir the shit, whether he would be singing the national anthem. I’m guessing the latter.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 8, 2024 19:02:28 GMT
God save our country would be better the state these politicians are getting us in Rejoining the EU solves it. Anyway….. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 8, 2024 19:03:09 GMT
God save our country would be better the state these politicians are getting us in Rejoining the EU solves it. Anyway….. In ya dreams pal😉 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 8, 2024 19:03:54 GMT
And how did this become news? And why is anyone bothered? And why was it never raised as an issue for Sven or Capello, who I am pretty sure did not sing the English national anthem. I’ve not been interested enough to find out how all this started, but it was either (a) Carsley shouted out to all and sundry that he was not going to sing the national anthem, just to heat up the lukewarm interest in the fact that he’s Anglo-Irish or (b) some hack asked him, for no particular good reason than to stir the shit, whether he would be singing the national anthem. I’m guessing the latter. The other two you mention weren’t English. Not that I care |
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Post by sportsman on Sept 8, 2024 19:04:37 GMT
God save our country would be better the state these politicians are getting us in Rejoining the EU solves it. Anyway….. Not how that shower of shit is now, we think we’ve got it bad! No ta |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 8, 2024 19:04:42 GMT
He should sing it at every press conference, set it as his ringtone and rename each of his children Charles. Anything less is simply unacceptable.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 8, 2024 19:05:39 GMT
He should sing it at every press conference, set it as his ringtone and rename each of his children Charles. Anything less is simply unacceptable. Better still, rename them Andrew just to show his unwavering devotion |
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 8, 2024 19:07:00 GMT
And how did this become news? And why is anyone bothered? And why was it never raised as an issue for Sven or Capello, who I am pretty sure did not sing the English national anthem. I’ve not been interested enough to find out how all this started, but it was either (a) Carsley shouted out to all and sundry that he was not going to sing the national anthem, just to heat up the lukewarm interest in the fact that he’s Anglo-Irish or (b) some hack asked him, for no particular good reason than to stir the shit, whether he would be singing the national anthem. I’m guessing the latter. The other two you mention weren’t English. Not that I care Nor is Carsley is he? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 8, 2024 19:08:35 GMT
The other two you mention weren’t English. Not that I care Nor is Carsley is he? Err yes he is |
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Post by Linx on Sept 8, 2024 19:27:19 GMT
And how did this become news? And why is anyone bothered? And why was it never raised as an issue for Sven or Capello, who I am pretty sure did not sing the English national anthem. I’ve not been interested enough to find out how all this started, but it was either (a) Carsley shouted out to all and sundry that he was not going to sing the national anthem, just to heat up the lukewarm interest in the fact that he’s Anglo-Irish or (b) some hack asked him, for no particular good reason than to stir the shit, whether he would be singing the national anthem. I’m guessing the latter. The other two you mention weren’t English. Not that I care I don’t care either. But it’s clear it’s only become an issue because he represented Ireland for forty games, based on his Irish grandmother. He’s Anglo-Irish, like a lot of people in this country. He made a choice years ago, to represent Ireland, probably because he knew he wasn’t good enough to play at international level for England, like Mark Lawrenson, Andy Townsend, Jon Walters, Liam Lawrence, and countless others. It’s a touchy point for both the Irish and the English, as the booing of Grealish and Rice at the game made clear, because they are Anglo-Irish but are actually good enough to play in white. If they weren’t, you can bet they’d have been wearing green shirts the other night. But people like to stir the pot of anti-English and anti-Irish sentiment. Both sides have noisy, tanked up and shallow nationalists that are as bad as each other; and both sides have a quieter majority that think it’s all a bit silly. A bit like singing the national anthem itself. |
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Post by sportsman on Sept 8, 2024 19:39:33 GMT
He should sing it at every press conference, set it as his ringtone and rename each of his children Charles. Anything less is simply unacceptable. Or better still, shut this thread down and get back to football |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 8, 2024 19:41:27 GMT
The other two you mention weren’t English. Not that I care I don’t care either. But it’s clear it’s only become an issue because he represented Ireland for forty games, based on his Irish grandmother. He’s Anglo-Irish, like a lot of people in this country. He made a choice years ago, to represent Ireland, probably because he knew he wasn’t good enough to play at international level for England, like Mark Lawrenson, Andy Townsend, Jon Walters, Liam Lawrence, and countless others. It’s a touchy point for both the Irish and the English, as the booing of Grealish and Rice at the game made clear, because they are Anglo-Irish but are actually good enough to play in white. If they weren’t, you can bet they’d have been wearing green shirts the other night. But people like to stir the pot of anti-English and anti-Irish sentiment. Both sides have noisy, tanked up and shallow nationalists that are as bad as each other; and both sides have a quieter majority that think it’s all a bit silly. A bit like singing the national anthem itself. Paul Gascoigne used to wink and stick his tongue out instead of singing if I recall correctly. Not sure but I think it’s because he was a geordie😉 |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 8, 2024 19:51:09 GMT
And how did this become news? And why is anyone bothered? And why was it never raised as an issue for Sven or Capello, who I am pretty sure did not sing the English national anthem. I’ve not been interested enough to find out how all this started, but it was either (a) Carsley shouted out to all and sundry that he was not going to sing the national anthem, just to heat up the lukewarm interest in the fact that he’s Anglo-Irish or (b) some hack asked him, for no particular good reason than to stir the shit, whether he would be singing the national anthem. I’m guessing the latter. In an interview on Friday he was asked about singing the anthem. He said he wasn't an anthem singer. This was overlooked until Jason Burt in the Telegraph did a match preview with the headline being all indignant about it. Then it got picked up on and manipulated into a story. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 8, 2024 20:01:19 GMT
Didn’t he play for Ireland? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 8, 2024 20:04:17 GMT
Didn’t he play for Ireland? Yeh cus his nan’s Irish and he wasn’t good enough for England. Do keep up😉 |
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 8, 2024 20:19:28 GMT
WTF has a national anthem, which are designed to divide us, got to do with any sporting event. Least of all one about a jug eared tw^t with more German blood in him than any of the people he reigns over - not that it matters. They are bloody stupid, I would never sing one, they all need fecking off and are boring. How do you determine German blood ? Philip, his father was from Greek and Danish heritage, served for this country in the Royal Navy in the 2nd world war. Elizabeth, his mother was born in London, her parents were born in London as well as were her grandparents, her grandad the King, born in London, served in the Royal Navy. With each parent and grandparent etc isn't the DNA diluted, 50%, then 25% etc ? So how many lines of parentage need to be born in the country before they become English/British ? In answer to your question, yes the DNA is diluted with each grandparent, but nevertheless the royal family will always have German DNA in them, but we probably all do to be fair. Not that it matters how German the king is, but if you go back far enough he has a bloodline made up of half German, we are currently in the house of Saxe-Coburg a German one - only changed to Windsor because of anti-German sentiment in WW1, prior to that the house of Hanover a German one going back to George 1st - so yes, as stated in my OP, probably makes him have more German blood/DNA in him than the majority of the people he reigns over. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 8, 2024 20:32:09 GMT
Didn’t he play for Ireland? Yeh cus his nan’s Irish and he wasn’t good enough for England. Do keep up😉 Isn’t he Anglo-Irish? So he’s both? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 8, 2024 20:33:54 GMT
Yeh cus his nan’s Irish and he wasn’t good enough for England. Do keep up😉 Isn’t he Anglo-Irish? So he’s both? If that’s how you see it I suppose. I don’t though otherwise I’d be anglo-austrian which I’m not keen on tbh😉 |
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 8, 2024 20:38:07 GMT
Isn’t he Anglo-Irish? So he’s both? If that’s how you see it I suppose. I don’t though otherwise I’d be anglo-austrian which I’m not keen on tbh😉 But that’s kind of the point. Nationality is far more fluid than lots of people like to think. We’re all mongrels to varying degrees. I think pride in where you’re from and who you are is important but it should never be a stick with which you beat people. A twat is a twat. A decent person is a decent person. Singing or not singing an outdated dirge that means nothing of any substance is pretty much irrelevant. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 8, 2024 20:43:13 GMT
If that’s how you see it I suppose. I don’t though otherwise I’d be anglo-austrian which I’m not keen on tbh😉 But that’s kind of the point. Nationality is far more fluid than lots of people like to think. We’re all mongrels to varying degrees. I think pride in where you’re from and who you are is important but it should never be a stick with which you beat people. A twat is a twat. A decent person is a decent person. Singing or not singing an outdated dirge that means nothing of any substance is pretty much irrelevant. Yeh but put simply, if you’re born here, grow up here and your parents did the same I don’t think there’s a question about your nationality is there? I completely accept your point of view but that’s not how I see it |
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 8, 2024 21:04:16 GMT
But that’s kind of the point. Nationality is far more fluid than lots of people like to think. We’re all mongrels to varying degrees. I think pride in where you’re from and who you are is important but it should never be a stick with which you beat people. A twat is a twat. A decent person is a decent person. Singing or not singing an outdated dirge that means nothing of any substance is pretty much irrelevant. Yeh but put simply, if you’re born here, grow up here and your parents did the same I don’t think there’s a question about your nationality is there? I completely accept your point of view but that’s not how I see it Sorry mate but I can’t agree. I think people can define themselves according to their own experiences and family background. I think it’s very complicated and respect the individual and their own opinions. There’s obviously a legal aspect to this which is very relevant in the modern world and the passport or passports you hold are one part of nationality. The other part is less black and white and is personal to every individual. I’d guess that Lee Carsley sees himself as both English and Irish which is perfectly fine with me. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 8, 2024 21:13:03 GMT
Yeh but put simply, if you’re born here, grow up here and your parents did the same I don’t think there’s a question about your nationality is there? I completely accept your point of view but that’s not how I see it Sorry mate but I can’t agree. I think people can define themselves according to their own experiences and family background. I think it’s very complicated and respect the individual and their own opinions. There’s obviously a legal aspect to this which is very relevant in the modern world and the passport or passports you hold are one part of nationality. The other part is less black and white and is personal to every individual. I’d guess that Lee Carsley sees himself as both English and Irish which is perfectly fine with me. That’s fine, we disagree. He is English though with a penchant for some Irish heritage, same as my mrs. So much so I had to sit through 2 hours of Lord of the Dance at the Regent this afternoon to quench her thirst for times gone yonder😉 Anyway I digress…… |
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 8, 2024 21:14:31 GMT
Sorry mate but I can’t agree. I think people can define themselves according to their own experiences and family background. I think it’s very complicated and respect the individual and their own opinions. There’s obviously a legal aspect to this which is very relevant in the modern world and the passport or passports you hold are one part of nationality. The other part is less black and white and is personal to every individual. I’d guess that Lee Carsley sees himself as both English and Irish which is perfectly fine with me. That’s fine, we disagree. He is English though with a penchant for some Irish heritage, same as my mrs. So much so I had to sit through 2 hours of Lord of the Dance at the Regent this afternoon to quench her thirst for times gone yonder😉 Anyway I digress…… Now Michael Flatley….theres a man who blurs the lines of nationality!!! |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 8, 2024 21:15:31 GMT
That’s fine, we disagree. He is English though with a penchant for some Irish heritage, same as my mrs. So much so I had to sit through 2 hours of Lord of the Dance at the Regent this afternoon to quench her thirst for times gone yonder😉 Anyway I digress…… Now Michael Flatley….theres a man who blurs the lines of nationality!!! Don’t bloody start🤣🤣 |
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 8, 2024 21:21:40 GMT
Now Michael Flatley….theres a man who blurs the lines of nationality!!! Don’t bloody start🤣🤣 I think we can both agree he’s an annoying twat 😛 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 8, 2024 21:23:47 GMT
I think we can both agree he’s an annoying twat 😛 After today I’d like to cut one of his toes off or something else non life threatening but enough to make him miserable 😉 |
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