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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 25, 2024 16:01:00 GMT
For me it's the lack of a consistent team shape. It's all well and good setting up differently for different opposition if players can adapt quickly. Far better in my opinion ti settle on say 4 4 3 and stick to it. The main thing is that we start off with a point, if they don't score we finish with a point. Great if we get a goal scoring striker but even then we need to defend better. Shocking recruitment. Throwing money at poor players. Country club mentality |
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 25, 2024 16:02:52 GMT
For me it's the lack of a consistent team shape. It's all well and good setting up differently for different opposition if players can adapt quickly. Far better in my opinion ti settle on say 4 4 3 and stick to it. The main thing is that we start off with a point, if they don't score we finish with a point. Great if we get a goal scoring striker but even then we need to defend better. Shocking recruitment. Throwing money at poor players. Country club mentality Possibly, but we have to field the team we have |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 25, 2024 16:03:40 GMT
For me it's the lack of a consistent team shape. It's all well and good setting up differently for different opposition if players can adapt quickly. Far better in my opinion to settle on say 4 4 3 and stick to it. The main thing is that we start off with a point, if they don't score we finish with at least a point. Great if we get a goal scoring striker but even then we need to defend better. Should be ok we can allocate more resources to it with that extra player. |
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Post by stokiedan17 on Aug 25, 2024 16:11:42 GMT
I think it’s a case of playing players in slightly different positions.
I think burger would be better on the right of the midfield three in place of Laurent. We know he has a wicked shot with his left, Will allow him to play balls through easier for the striker And will allow million a bit more freedom down that side.
Lawal in place of Thompson. Moran left in place of burger.
Junho / koumas / million.
You have 2 players able to play incisive balls through on their strong food as well as shots on goal. Let the cbs and full backs think about the width more and spreading the play
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 25, 2024 16:30:41 GMT
For me it's the lack of a consistent team shape. It's all well and good setting up differently for different opposition if players can adapt quickly. Far better in my opinion to settle on say 4 4 3 and stick to it. The main thing is that we start off with a point, if they don't score we finish with at least a point. Great if we get a goal scoring striker but even then we need to defend better. Should be ok we can allocate more resources to it with that extra player. Yep dozy me, I intended 4 3 3 oops |
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Post by thepottypotter on Aug 25, 2024 16:37:15 GMT
The gravity crocodile
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Post by stokeoptimist on Aug 25, 2024 17:33:47 GMT
Only having played 3 games  |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Aug 25, 2024 17:40:12 GMT
Only having played 3 games Only 7 years......... |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 25, 2024 17:45:58 GMT
Only having played 3 games Only 7 years......... Yes and write the 10 years off before that |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Aug 25, 2024 17:48:21 GMT
Only 7 years......... Yes and write the 10 years off before that Who has written them off? We were ran by a different person then as well. |
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 25, 2024 17:51:52 GMT
We need a proper root and branch clear out of deadwood players, coaching staff, management, directors, owners, ticket office staff, stewards, catering staff and hospitality hosts.
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Post by blackpoolred on Aug 25, 2024 18:41:49 GMT
Every season we bring in new players, last season we shifted out the deadwood and brought in enough players to make a complete new team, and yet we STILL don't seem to be able to move on??? Each season we seem to be getting sucked ever closer to the trapdoor, sooner or later, it's gonna give, with us on it!!! How many managers have we got through now.... And how many coaches have come with those managers, and no one can still get a tune out of us!!! In my opinion, I think it's down to poor ambition on the managers we employ.... Rowett, a championship ready dinosaur!!! Jones, a young lower league manager that was doing well with a small club!!! O'Neill, best known for managing a few wins for Northern Ireland!!! Neil, I personally thought we may be on to something here, seemingly a bit like Lambert, he'd done okay at a couple of his previous clubs, but even in his first season (two-thirds-of-a-season), it was evident that it was going to take some time, if ever, to recreate a Norwich!!! And on to Schumacher, (read Jones)!!! I don't know if it is down to that, but something is holding us back!!! The answer is in who is employing those managers - everyone dour uninspirational British choices, some with zero experience as a manager at all or zero experience at this level. In a game of tiny percentages between success and failure you can't have a xenophobic chairman cutting out 90% of the managerial market. If you refuse to employ anything other than British then by the time you get down to the 3rd or 4th choice you are really scraping the barrel - yes I know we are not guaranteed success if we go the foreign route, but if you have a list of 5 candidates and refuse to contemplate somebody because they happen not to be shat out on British soil then you really need to move on in this day and age. Same people took us down to tier 3 twice before, after an entire history of spending just 1 season at that level previously - and at this moment in time we just seem to be inevitably meandering back there again, for a third time, under the same regime. That said, the appointment of SJW and his role has given me a bit of optimism and hope(decent shout by JC), first time I have had any of that for a while, but we all know what happens to hope as Stoke fans. We need a good end to the current window though and also players taking to the pitch with a stronger mentality than previous seasons - otherwise we are in for another long season - almost every post I see on SM has Stoke in the bottom 3 - let's hope we can prove them all wrong |
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 25, 2024 18:47:41 GMT
We need a proper root and branch clear out of deadwood players, coaching staff, management, directors, owners, ticket office staff, stewards, catering staff and hospitality hosts. 😂 We've had this almost every year for 7 years now. |
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Post by Ron on Aug 25, 2024 20:25:43 GMT
done properly it works. We’ve never done it properly, bar a breif stint under MON Hi was easily the best manager here since relegation, if they had kept him and given him the money Neil had last season we would be a few places higher, very odd decision to get rid. We were struggling but he had no money and was clearing the excess of Rowett and Jones and generally recruiting better than either of them. I agree in hindsight an awful decision. I’d rather him than Schumacher. I’m far from convinced… tries to be too clever and it backfires routinely. Really decent guy though and really want him to do well - very likeable- but- I wish he’d ensure we do the basics well first and foremost |
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Post by stokiekm on Aug 25, 2024 22:58:06 GMT
Trouble is all the time that's going on the season is slipping away. We desperately needed a good start, to build some confidence among the players and belief among the fans. But once again we didn't get one. I can see why folks are angry and frustrated. Slipping away after 3 games. Blimey. It’s unrealistic expectations that need to slip away and then there might be some sensible discussion That does class as a crazy comment, panic setting in after 3 games? wtf? |
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 25, 2024 23:55:29 GMT
Slipping away after 3 games. Blimey. It’s unrealistic expectations that need to slip away and then there might be some sensible discussion That does class as a crazy comment, panic setting in after 3 games? wtf? Crazy as it seems, I think you'll find those who have given up on this season have done so purely on the inept way the club is run. They've seen it time and time again. A well run club finds its way into the top half with a chance to push for play off's. A poorly run club spends much of the season fending off relegation. There's very little evidence to suggest we are going into the season as well organised club....far from it. |
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Post by ashleyscfc on Aug 26, 2024 1:07:29 GMT
Same as the city.
History.
We’re not seen as a serious place, we’re little old stoke. The metaphor for a bit shit, underdog etc etc. even with Man City money.
We don’t take ourselves seriously and nobody else does either.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 26, 2024 8:19:52 GMT
There's been times in the past when we were equal to many of the so called top sides,in the 1930s, 1970s, yet we have still only won 1 meaningful trophy,there was a time during our Prem.days we could have won one of the Cups,yet we fell short yet again.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 8:43:22 GMT
There's been times in the past when we were equal to many of the so called top sides,in the 1930s, 1970s, yet we have still only won 1 meaningful trophy,there was a time during our Prem.days we could have won one of the Cups,yet we fell short yet again. Far more often during my lifetime we’ve employed people with a don’t lose philosophy rather than a winning mentality. It’s hardly surprising we’ve won very little. |
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Post by superjw on Aug 26, 2024 10:33:08 GMT
The owners, or the style of their ownership.
Their blind stubbornness to only appoint journey men British managers, beige as sin and will never get anywhere with them. All of our managers and enough players to fill the ground prove it’s not necessarily the playing staff.
Had the owners actually opened their eyes to decent international management we would no doubt be doing better, but they just won’t do it. I can’t deny how much the owners have done for the club with their backing but it’s clear they are holding us and themselves back. I’m really hoping the manager now comes good, but gravity is going to be pulling, we only just about got away with it last season
Would the owners of other clubs have lasted this long?
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Post by scfcnicholas on Aug 26, 2024 11:10:27 GMT
FFP. We’re now shopping in exactly the same market as a pool of other mid table clubs so how can we expect different results unless master stroke of amazing management and savvy decisions which is rarer. It doesn’t matter that we’re on of the biggest clubs in the country. As long as ffp is around in its current form the likelyhood is more of the same Get rid of FFP and what happens to all those teams in our position? They all mortgage their future on getting promoted. Some do, some don't, others come down and join the free for all. After 2 or 3 seasons of financial irresponsibility those that gambled and failed go bust. The assumption is the owners have deep pockets and will bail us out. The question is at what point Bet365 cut and run. Assuming that tap remains switched on is very nieve. You’re going on like ffp has actually saved clubs. There isn’t any evidence to suggest so. It’s not fit for purpose. And as far as the championship is concerned is only to the benefit to wankey clubs like Burnley and Bournemouth |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2024 11:17:28 GMT
Why are people so set on not calling the owners out?
Elvis will get the blame before they do 🤣
It’s so fucking weird.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2024 11:18:29 GMT
We need a proper root and branch clear out of deadwood players, coaching staff, management, directors, owners, ticket office staff, stewards, catering staff and hospitality hosts. 😂 We've had this almost every year for 7 years now. Indeed and there’s been one constant. But God forbid if you think they’re the issue. |
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Post by thornestein on Aug 26, 2024 11:21:00 GMT
Why are people so set on not calling the owners out? Elvis will get the blame before they do 🤣 It’s so fucking weird. the blame can only be from the top , it’s JC who keeps employing the ppl |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2024 11:28:55 GMT
Why are people so set on not calling the owners out? Elvis will get the blame before they do 🤣 It’s so fucking weird. the blame can only be from the top , it’s JC who keeps employing the ppl Exactly. He needs to realise fast that he hasn’t got a clue what it takes to employ people for the football operation. He needs to get some consultants in, give them a list of things he wants from the football operation and let them employ people that match those values. Mine would be: Play fast attacking football Use academy players Sign players to develop and sell for profit Improve the home record Play 4231 Etc. What are we actually trying to do? There’s no direction, there’s no leadership and there’s no sense as to what we are on the pitch. And there hasn’t been since Nzonzi and Arnie left. Yet God forbid you slate the one constant in all of this. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 11:31:19 GMT
Why are people so set on not calling the owners out? Elvis will get the blame before they do 🤣 It’s so fucking weird. the blame can only be from the top , it’s JC who keeps employing the ppl It's not just the people he employs, it's that their methods and beliefs vary so wildly from one to the next. He's completely bizarre. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 26, 2024 11:40:47 GMT
the blame can only be from the top , it’s JC who keeps employing the ppl Exactly. He needs to realise fast that he hasn’t got a clue what it takes to employ people for the football operation. He needs to get some consultants in, give them a list of things he wants from the football operation and let them employ people that match those values. Mine would be: Play fast attacking football Use academy players Sign players to develop and sell for profit Improve the home record Play 4231 Etc. What are we actually trying to do? There’s no direction, there’s no leadership and there’s no sense as to what we are on the pitch. And there hasn’t been since Nzonzi and Arnie left. Yet God forbid you slate the one constant in all of this. I agree with most of that Play fast attacking football - 100 percent. Not sure if we have the CM currently to do it though. Use academy players - If they’re good enough. It’s a huge jump. Not seen enough of Sidibe in the first team but he seems like the only one close to ready. Sign players to develop and sell for profit - agree but we still need some experience. It’s about the right blend. Improve the home record - A good run is what we need. Saturdays tactics were way too much on the back foot. Play 4231 - 100 percent. It’s the best system Leaderships a huge issue. That comes from bringing in good experience. I like Gibson and he has it but we need it throughout the team and we don’t. Laurent’s a huge problem as he gives us none in what should be the engine room. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2024 11:49:28 GMT
Exactly. He needs to realise fast that he hasn’t got a clue what it takes to employ people for the football operation. He needs to get some consultants in, give them a list of things he wants from the football operation and let them employ people that match those values. Mine would be: Play fast attacking football Use academy players Sign players to develop and sell for profit Improve the home record Play 4231 Etc. What are we actually trying to do? There’s no direction, there’s no leadership and there’s no sense as to what we are on the pitch. And there hasn’t been since Nzonzi and Arnie left. Yet God forbid you slate the one constant in all of this. I agree with most of that Play fast attacking football - 100 percent. Not sure if we have the CM currently to do it though. Use academy players - If they’re good enough. It’s a huge jump. Not seen enough of Sidibe in the first team but he seems like the only one close to ready. Sign players to develop and sell for profit - agree but we still need some experience. It’s about the right blend. Improve the home record - A good run is what we need. Saturdays tactics were way too much on the back foot. Play 4231 - 100 percent. It’s the best system Leaderships a huge issue. That comes from bringing in good experience. I like Gibson and he has it but we need it throughout the team and we don’t. Laurent’s a huge problem as he gives us none in what should be the engine room. They are just examples tbh and is what I’d want. Of course he might be different and have his own things and that’s fine. But you’ve got to set it out and then let others do it imo. Experience is overrated. The midfield on Saturday was packed with experience in Thompson and Laurent but they might as well not have been on the pitch. The problems stem from the set up. Players dont know what the hell they’re meant to be doing or are being asked things they can’t do. It’s rank bad management. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 26, 2024 11:51:54 GMT
Exactly. He needs to realise fast that he hasn’t got a clue what it takes to employ people for the football operation. He needs to get some consultants in, give them a list of things he wants from the football operation and let them employ people that match those values. Mine would be: Play fast attacking football Use academy players Sign players to develop and sell for profit Improve the home record Play 4231 Etc. What are we actually trying to do? There’s no direction, there’s no leadership and there’s no sense as to what we are on the pitch. And there hasn’t been since Nzonzi and Arnie left. Yet God forbid you slate the one constant in all of this. I agree with most of that Play fast attacking football - 100 percent. Not sure if we have the CM currently to do it though. Use academy players - If they’re good enough. It’s a huge jump. Not seen enough of Sidibe in the first team but he seems like the only one close to ready. Sign players to develop and sell for profit - agree but we still need some experience. It’s about the right blend. Improve the home record - A good run is what we need. Saturdays tactics were way too much on the back foot. Play 4231 - 100 percent. It’s the best system
Leaderships a huge issue. That comes from bringing in good experience. I like Gibson and he has it but we need it throughout the team and we don’t. Laurent’s a huge problem as he gives us none in what should be the engine room. Don't know about the best system but it certainly allows for players roles to be better defined. The 4 & 2 provide you with your basic defensive structure which allows the 3 & 1 to concentrate on attacking and help out at the back as and when they're able. It would certainly avoid the confusion of the players of the last couple of weekends and better use our plethora of deep lying midfielders. I very much enjoyed Schuball when it worked but it seems to be very difficult to implement. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 26, 2024 12:15:03 GMT
I agree with most of that Play fast attacking football - 100 percent. Not sure if we have the CM currently to do it though. Use academy players - If they’re good enough. It’s a huge jump. Not seen enough of Sidibe in the first team but he seems like the only one close to ready. Sign players to develop and sell for profit - agree but we still need some experience. It’s about the right blend. Improve the home record - A good run is what we need. Saturdays tactics were way too much on the back foot. Play 4231 - 100 percent. It’s the best system Leaderships a huge issue. That comes from bringing in good experience. I like Gibson and he has it but we need it throughout the team and we don’t. Laurent’s a huge problem as he gives us none in what should be the engine room. They are just examples tbh and is what I’d want. Of course he might be different and have his own things and that’s fine. But you’ve got to set it out and then let others do it imo. Experience is overrated. The midfield on Saturday was packed with experience in Thompson and Laurent but they might as well not have been on the pitch. The problems stem from the set up. Players dont know what the hell they’re meant to be doing or are being asked things they can’t do. It’s rank bad management. Rather than experience I should have said leaders / strong characters. |
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