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Post by stokeypenn89 on Aug 24, 2024 18:18:40 GMT
Only thing I can think of is the culture at the club. We have been dreadful for years and maybe to start fresh, we need to get rid of players that have experienced how bad it has been. I'm not even necessarily saying they are responsible but players like Laurent and Wilmot have been here for a few seasons and when things don't go well you can imagine them just accepting that this is the norm at the club and this attitude reflecting on the rest of the squad.
Obviously this all just guesswork and my opinion but like others have said, pretty much every other variable has changed and we have seen little to no improvement.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 24, 2024 18:20:19 GMT
Poor tactics and shit players
Apart from that not a lot
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Post by bubbleblower on Aug 24, 2024 18:22:21 GMT
[/quote]John hasn’t got a clue what he’s doing, he’s been given the keys to the city and spray painted a cock on the town hall.[/quote]
That’s funny as m8
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Post by bagnallboothen on Aug 24, 2024 18:23:59 GMT
* Stevens * Lawal * Phillips Gallagher Pearson Rose Those starred I think will start. I’m hoping we’ll bring in RB CM (another decent one as I’ve had enough of Laurent and Thompson) STR That'll be another transfer window with 11 incoming. We're nothing short of laughable |
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Post by spoton on Aug 24, 2024 18:24:30 GMT
Only thing I can think of is the culture at the club. We have been dreadful for years and maybe to start fresh, we need to get rid of players that have experienced how bad it has been. I'm not even necessarily saying they are responsible but players like Laurent and Wilmot have been here for a few seasons and when things don't go well you can imagine them just accepting that this is the norm at the club and this attitude reflecting on the rest of the squad. Obviously this all just guesswork and my opinion but like others have said, pretty much every other variable has changed and we have seen little to no improvement. Or you can look at the common denominator Chairman and board |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Aug 24, 2024 18:25:30 GMT
Recruitment.
In our midfield since our relegation we've had the strength of Joe Allen, Jordan Thompson, Lewis Baker, 60 minutes per game of wouter burger, ben pearson, daniel johnson, f you lose the midfield battle you generally lose the game.
Only josh laurent has the build to dominate a midfield...sadly he has the heart of a jellyfish.
Hopefully lawal can bring some genuine height and strength to our midfield but he's gonna need help.
Bring back the land of the giants.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 24, 2024 18:38:16 GMT
A new contract for Schumacher:
JC "Now, Steven, here's the new contract. I will pay you £50k for every game you win and £5k for a draw. You can do the maths on the permutations. Furthermore I will pay you £1m for a top 6 league finish and a further £2.5m for promotion (either through the playoff or directly). Should you finish 11th or below I can remove you at my discretion without compensation. Now what do you say? Do you have the confidence in your ability to sign this? If not, there's the door."
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Post by stuammo on Aug 24, 2024 19:27:52 GMT
Moran will be a big player for us. He is class. Bosun. Supposedly quality. Phillips. Looks a good one. Gallagher. He will do his bit. Bae and Ryan are coming back from injury. Then add in a new striker this week. The season hasn’t started yet Moran is class? Based on what? His lack of anything today? Bosun - yes supposed to be. Time will tell Philips- based on what? Where has he looked good? Gallagher- will be? Based on his previous injury prone record? |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 24, 2024 19:35:16 GMT
Who's the one constant since we came down?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 24, 2024 19:41:09 GMT
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 24, 2024 19:42:25 GMT
Who's the one constant since we came down? I read this to the tune of 'Theme from Shaft'. The next line is "COATES!" (You're damn right). |
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Post by retrostoke on Aug 24, 2024 19:47:43 GMT
Moran will be a big player for us. He is class. Bosun. Supposedly quality. Phillips. Looks a good one. Gallagher. He will do his bit. Bae and Ryan are coming back from injury. Then add in a new striker this week. The season hasn’t started yet Moran is class? Based on what? His lack of anything today? Bosun - yes supposed to be. Time will tell Philips- based on what? Where has he looked good? Gallagher- will be? Based on his previous injury prone record? Time will judge. As it did with Cundle who most Stoke fans dismissed after one game. The lad is a good footballer. I’ll come back on this in about 6 games time. Let’s see how it unfolds. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2024 8:21:22 GMT
John Coates
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 25, 2024 8:28:53 GMT
Abject defending
Lightweight midfield
Poor strikers
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Post by milky on Aug 25, 2024 8:32:22 GMT
I can't believe people are still asking when it's as obvious as the nose on the end of your face ....
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 25, 2024 8:35:02 GMT
A winning mentally is whats holding us back in my opinion.
I genuinely think we make average players way to comfy
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 25, 2024 8:39:06 GMT
Who's the one constant since we came down? I read this to the tune of 'Theme from Shaft'. The next line is "COATES!" (You're damn right). Very good. On the one hand he was a sex machine to all the chicks. On the other, no-one understood him 'cept his woman. Slightly baffling. (Whether the same applies to John Shaft, I don't know). |
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Post by spiderpuss on Aug 25, 2024 8:39:35 GMT
FFS it’s August. We’ve got at least 4 more players to introduce + 2 coming back from injury. Give it a rest Smacks of Jam tomorrow, the season has begun and teams are happily up and running, bar us. It's also the manner of the defeats. Watford coasted and once WBA were in front it was too easy for them to see out the victory. There's serious concerns where we are going here and they have to be voiced. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 25, 2024 8:53:31 GMT
The owner doesn’t believe in anything football wise and just keeps putting his entire faith in one person whether their title is manager or SD. He’s the head of the organisation he needs to set a direction an ethos he wants to see and stick with it for a sustained period not just pick a bloke and say I’d really like promotion or at least a play off spot then when it doesn’t happen lose faith and appoint someone with completely different ideas. You don’t see successful clubs keep flirting between dinosaur and progressive head coaches. You don’t see them appoint SD/DoF/TD’s with no track record or any sense their views align with a HC you’d appointed two months ago. In short JC is all over the fucking place, no consistency of thought or approach to the game.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 25, 2024 9:05:04 GMT
* Stevens * Lawal * Phillips Gallagher Pearson Rose Those starred I think will start. I’m hoping we’ll bring in RB CM (another decent one as I’ve had enough of Laurent and Thompson) STR That'll be another transfer window with 11 incoming. We're nothing short of laughable When you look at yesterdays starting 11 we had 4 newbies. Johansson - who hasn’t started that well but I think he’ll come good. Gibson - who I rate. Bocat - who’s been very dissapointing but not sure if that’s down to tactics. Koumas - who looks superb. Biggest problems currently are CM where we need an injection of power and skill (The 2 yesterday just don’t produce enough either going forwards or defensively) and fullback where we look incredibly shaky. Hopefully Lawal and the return of Stevens will make a big difference. I don’t think we should write Burger off yet either as he’s undoubtably talented but doesn’t team up well with Laurent and Thompson who for me are a massive part of the problem. We do need a striker as it’s not fair to rely on Koumas for 46 games. |
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Post by premieraj on Aug 25, 2024 9:06:17 GMT
That'll be another transfer window with 11 incoming. We're nothing short of laughable When you look at yesterdays starting 11 we had 4 newbies. Johansson - who hasn’t started that well but I think he’ll come good. Gibson - who I rate. Bocat - who’s been very dissapointing but not sure if that’s down to tactics. Koumas - who looks superb. Biggest problems currently are CM where we need an injection of power and skill (The 2 yesterday just don’t produce enough either going forwards or defensively) and fullback where we look incredibly shaky. Hopefully Lawal and the return of Stevens will make a big difference. I don’t think we should write Burger off yet either as he’s undoubtably talented but doesn’t team up well with Laurent and Thompson who for me are a massive part of the problem. We do need a striker as it’s not fair to rely on Koumas for 46 games. Don’t forget the right back? |
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Post by doctortheopolis on Aug 25, 2024 9:13:17 GMT
But,but,but they are local! Who do you want to come in and ruin the club?! Foreigners?!
Surprised the above bollocks hasn't come up more on this thread as it usually does.
The simple fact is there is one common denominator in all of this - Jon Coates. Managers come and go, so do players, so do chief execs. This doesn't mean it's as black and white as get rid of him. The bloke genuinely does care, of that there is no doubt. As other people have said, the club hasn't had an identity for years, a philosophy, a blueprint for success that filters all through the club from first team to the youth setup, even the ladies team.
Jon doesn't have the ability to outline this. He can't think outside the box if you pardon the pun. For example, West Brom's manager leaves Huddersfield after getting them into the play offs final. He bums around in Greece for a month or two, then is unemployed for a month. He then goes to Albion and has done a very good job despite the turbulence behind the scenes. Would we have ever gone for someone like this? I think we know the answer.
Having a fanzone is all well and good, so is free coach travel. I personally couldn't give two fucks about redesigning the badge. I'm bothered about the fact that as a club we are adrift, going nowhere really. The product on the pitch is what is important. The rest takes care of itself.
A strong leader is exactly that. They lead from the top. I get the feeling that JC is just leaving Walters to do everything.
Having typed that all out and re read it, I don't know what the actual answer is now!
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Post by baconburger on Aug 25, 2024 9:19:10 GMT
But,but,but they are local! Who do you want to come in and ruin the club?! Foreigners?! Surprised the above bollocks hasn't come up more on this thread as it usually does. The simple fact is there is one common denominator in all of this - Jon Coates. Managers come and go, so do players, so do chief execs. This doesn't mean it's as black and white as get rid of him. The bloke genuinely does care, of that there is no doubt. As other people have said, the club hasn't had an identity for years, a philosophy, a blueprint for success that filters all through the club from first team to the youth setup, even the ladies team. Jon doesn't have the ability to outline this. He can't think outside the box if you pardon the pun. For example, West Brom's manager leaves Huddersfield after getting them into the play offs final. He bums around in Greece for a month or two, then is unemployed for a month. He then goes to Albion and has done a very good job despite the turbulence behind the scenes. Would we have ever gone for someone like this? I think we know the answer. Having a fanzone is all well and good, so is free coach travel. I personally couldn't give two fucks about redesigning the badge. I'm bothered about the fact that as a club we are adrift, going nowhere really. The product on the pitch is what is important. The rest takes care of itself. A strong leader is exactly that. They lead from the top. I get the feeling that JC is just leaving Walters to do everything. Having typed that all out and re read it, I don't know what the actual answer is now! JC is basically a populist who’s views change with the headlines on the back of the Sentinel. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 25, 2024 9:23:45 GMT
What is it with the ownership? They have given each manager a decent budget and after the ffp scare we had to calm it down a little bit and look for shrewd signings last season and in this window. They have cleared all club debt investing In facilities given the fans a fan zone building again at the training ground. I’m not saying it’s not the owners as you said every other variable has changed. Do they give too much control to the managers or not enough? That’s the problem. We’re too easy to manage. No accountability. We blindly accept what the manager says. Oh and John Walters isn’t capable of doing the job he’s employed to do. Not qualified. Not experienced but it’s ok….hes super John the player. So far the window has been fine, the signings have been in the right positions, yes we haven't got a striker in yet but what more are you expecting him to do? |
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 25, 2024 9:26:25 GMT
This ridiculous sideways and backwards passing in the pursuit of Barcelona type football. It’s been going on for years and we’ve never had the players to do it yet successive managers and subsequent recruitment continues to chase after it. We lose momentum in the side and it creates a culture of safety first and pass back. I would love to see every time a player passes backwards and sideways getting a kick up the arse…I’m fed up,of it.
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Post by retrostoke on Aug 25, 2024 9:33:25 GMT
The more I look at the headline of this thread the more I want to go into the production of red and white striped rubber pants. Can’t help but think I would sell thousands.
It’s August. The transfer window is still open. We’ve got several players not played yet. We’ve got 2 important ones back from serious injury yesterday. We’ve got 7 new recruits to settle in and find our best formation.
Hysterical is not too strong a word when only 5 teams in the division have won 2 games so far.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 25, 2024 9:40:59 GMT
I think yesterday the problems were (1) the fullbacks, (2) the engine room, (3) Gooch at LW.
(1) Bocat and Junior had an off day but maybe it was the coached positioning. I'd persevere.
(2) Needs fixing. Bosun+Burger?
(3) Just don't play Gooch there. Fixed.
Long term I'm most worried about CM and teams sussing out Koumas who was fantastic but the space he found wouldn't be as available against weaker teams who sit back.
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 25, 2024 9:41:04 GMT
I honestly thought we had turned the corner during the last summer transfer window. Sadly most newcomers weren't quite upto scratch but saying that we required a major overall like nothing seen before. Add to that, the fact it was, or seemed, a new method of recruitment for our club and expecting it to be 💯 % perfect is just plain stupidity. We all had the opinion that Burger, Bae, Million and Junior were players we could build on, compared to previous seasons where the general consensus was the whole fucking squad needed burning at the stake.
We have now got a system where our targets are required to have visited Ireland or Plymouth within the last 5 years.
Very disappointing
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Post by HarryTheHat on Aug 25, 2024 9:41:43 GMT
Ooh!, ooh! I know this one....
It's Wilmot isn't it?
Do I win a goldfish?
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 25, 2024 9:43:05 GMT
I honestly thought we had turned the corner during the last summer transfer window. Sadly most newcomers weren't quite upto scratch but saying that we required a major overall like nothing seen before. Add to that, the fact it was, or seemed, a new method of recruitment for our club and expecting it to be 💯 % perfect is just plain stupidity. We all had the opinion that Burger, Bae, Million and Junior were players we could build on, compared to previous seasons where the general consensus was the whole fucking squad needed burning at the stake. We have now got a system where our targets are required to have visited Ireland or Plymouth within the last 5 years. Very disappointing I think Bocat looks hopeful despite being poor yesterday, but I also thought that of Vidigal 😆 Last year's recruitment was the right way to go about it. Too early to say if we've fucked it off in favour of plodders, surely? |
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